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TK-42-1 posted:People botching about Finn being in sanitation are dumb as gently caress because he was obviously lying and not admitting he was an elite stormtrooper. Every enlisted works in sanitation at some point.
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:Every enlisted works in sanitation at some point. Not to mention I imagine sanitation takes on a different meaning when it's in a big-rear end weapon.
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Dec 24, 2015 02:40
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Jurgan posted:Eh, there's probably a whole sequence of buttons. Correct, but the first Death Star firing sequence ended with a single lever pulled by the Chief Gunnery Officer, Tenn Graneet. quote:As the Death Star neared completion, Graneet was transferred to the superlaser gunnery crew. Graneet was initially thrilled with the new assignment, but as he familiarized himself with the new superweapon, he began to question whether any person was capable of wielding such power wisely. He rationalized his concerns with the mistaken belief that the Empire would not actually fire the weapon at full power on an inhabited planet, rather on uninhabited moons, planets, and other bodies. During the final months of construction, Graneet and his crew trained on a simulator of the main firing control chamber, familiarizing themselves with the firing sequence and working to shorten the firing sequence as much as possible. He's the guy in ANH that said "stand by" right before the Death Star exploded. He died a hero! William Bear fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Dec 24, 2015 |
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Dec 24, 2015 03:06
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:Every enlisted works in sanitation at some point. If anyone has read the book or seen the movie Jarhead, you know that even marine snipers have to burn the shitters every once in awhile.
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Pththya-lyi posted:Honestly I don't think they'd be saying that if she were a male character. Heck, she checks all the same boxes as Luke Skywalker in the OT (arguably even fewer boxes, since Luke is likely Lucas' wish-fulfillment character and I don't see which author's wishes are being fulfilled by Rey) and hardly anybody calls him a Marty Stu. Plus the Star Wars franchise and the pulp works they're based on are full of improbably-talented people, so it's a little odd to single Rey out. Luke was a whiny, wimpy, know it all who whines to his uncle, throws tools whining to a droid and almost gets raped/killed by ugly face and alien guy for being a rube in a cantina. He is impatient and almost insults away Han Solo before they even can get off Tattooine. Rey is a skilled fighter, can fix anything, expert pilot and can understand all languages including droid and shyriiwook, her one character flaw is she passes up a good opportunity cause she is still waiting for her family who is never coming back, which then gets solved 5 minutes later when not yoda lady tells her, "kid they ain't never coming back" All Rey's missing in Mary Sue bingo is characters stopping every five minutes to talk about how great she is. This thread is better when it's about how bad Star Wars is and not excusing the holy franchise. Just two posts above is a giant blurb based on the book Death Star without a single mention that same novel has a character named "Teh Roxxor" or features two characters exploring their latent homosexuality via Teras Kasai bouts. Dr. Lariat fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 24, 2015 |
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Dec 24, 2015 03:20
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all those things you listed are things that its reasonable for a veteran scavenger to know how to do
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Dec 24, 2015 03:44
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and im p sure the pilot thing is cuz of the force see: anakin and luke
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Fojar38 posted:all those things you listed are things that its reasonable for a veteran scavenger to know how to do Good point, I'm sure these folks understand all kinds of languages and can fix an Abrams tank. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7AL0LZ20111122
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IIRC when Maz Amedda tries to help her 1) accept that her family isn't coming for her and 2) open up to the Force and accept her destiny as Luke's apprentice, Rey doesn't listen and runs away into the forest. Literally running away from hard truths seems like a character flaw to me. It's only when Rey is on the ropes with Kylo Ren that she takes Maz's advice, and she owes at least part of her success to Finn bringing the lightsaber to her. I'll give you that she's not as entitled as Luke is when we first meet him, but that's not surprising in someone who didn't have a family to care for them growing up. Plus Luke also starts out as a skilled mechanic and natural pilot who understands droidspeak, so if you give Rey Mary-Sue points for those traits you have to give them to him, too. I'm standing by what I said, at least for now.
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jfc no she's not a "mary sue." which of the three male, middle aged/old writers is she supposed to be a self-insert for? while we're at it, no, incidental things that weren't explained with a wookieepedia article's worth of exposition are not "plot holes." i think trying to find the "mary sue" in a star wars movie which have historically been about cool people with awesome skills who learn poo poo quickly is silly, but if anyone ticks the boxes it's Poe. the "best pilot in the resistance" who has a cool robot sidekick, a special all-black X-wing, is also a secret agent in addition to being a super-ace and a crack shot with a blaster who cracks wise while being tortured by sith lords. kills like 50 tie fighters in one battle, saves the main heroes, finishes the super-weapon killing job for the heroes, etc etc.
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Otisburg posted:jfc no she's not a "mary sue." which of the three male, middle aged/old writers is she supposed to be a self-insert for? while we're at it, no, incidental things that weren't explained with a wookieepedia article's worth of exposition are not "plot holes." Case in point, Star Wars, still poo poo, always poo poo Anyhow, since we can't call her a Mary Sue anymore is there another name for a character that is perfect in every way and has no character flaws to make them interesting? It's what makes the original characters interesting, they have flaws, like real humans. Except Chewbacca but he's more prop than character. Luke fucks up, a lot, the writers of force awakens forgot about all of that. In fact they forgot to include characters mostly. Instead it's actors delivering dialogue and exposition, It's not just their fault though, action movies have been getting worse about this every year since things like the Salkinds and Cannon came to be. Dr. Lariat fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Dec 24, 2015 |
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Otisburg posted:jfc no she's not a "mary sue." which of the three male, middle aged/old writers is she supposed to be a self-insert for? while we're at it, no, incidental things that weren't explained with a wookieepedia article's worth of exposition are not "plot holes."
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Dr. Lariat posted:Luke was a whiny, wimpy, know it all who whines to his uncle, throws tools whining to a droid and almost gets raped/killed by ugly face and alien guy for being a rube in a cantina. He is impatient and almost insults away Han Solo before they even can get off Tattooine. "Once aboard the Death Star, Ratua assumed the alias of "Teh Roxxor" and hid in plain sight. Pretending to be a civilian contractor who built garbage bins, he created a makeshift home for himself in an unused trash compactor. Thanks once again to his scavenging skills, he collected items that he could trade, often to unsuspecting Imperial stormtroopers. He later met the Twi'lek Memah Roothes in the Hard Heart Cantina, located in Deck 69 of the Death Star's Sector N-One and owned by Roothes. Ratua was immediately attracted to her, and as time passed, she found herself falling for him. After nearly two years of living a simple yet pleasant life aboard the Death Star, during which time Ratua spent much of his time at the Hard Heart, he spotted Nova Stihl in the cantina. Unaware that he had been transferred to the station, he fled from Stihl, fearing the guard would turn him in. Around this time, Ratua developed a scheme that would allow anyone on the station to view normally restricted entertainment programming such as smashball. Through this, he and Roothes were watching Despayre when the Death Star destroyed it. This act of, in their opinion, cruelty, by the Empire left a lasting impression on the two.[1]" http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Celot_Ratua_Dil lol holy poo poo you weren't lying
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Xenomrph posted:To be fair he cracks wise to Kylo, and then Kylo shuts him down and mind-rapes him 3 seconds later, leaving him passed out in a torture chair, Poe having given up the exact thing he said he'd never give up. I'd say that knocks him down a few pegs. sure i was cherry picking a little just like people have been for the "girl luke skywalker is a mary sue" nonsense to make a point. (the point being stop looking for the "mary sue" and enjoy the good starwar we finally got after 3 decades of lovely poops)
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spacemang_spliff posted:lol holy poo poo you weren't lying This is the true beauty of this thread, anytime someone says something, everyone else says "gently caress, that's too dumb to be true" but then they look it up and it's true. Every time.
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Otisburg posted:sure i was cherry picking a little just like people have been for the "girl luke skywalker is a mary sue" nonsense to make a point. (the point being stop looking for the "mary sue" and enjoy the good starwar we finally got after 3 decades of lovely poops) I brought it up because it seems like a common complaint on other [bad] forums [that I probably shouldn't waste my time on], and I thought I'd see what other people thought about the opinion without delving into the Star Wars thread in CineD and wanting to shoot myself.
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Dr. Lariat posted:Good point, I'm sure these folks understand all kinds of languages and can fix an Abrams tank. they arent scavenging spaceships sir
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Dr. Lariat posted:This is the true beauty of this thread, anytime someone says something, everyone else says "gently caress, that's too dumb to be true" but then they look it up and it's true. Every time. gungans play a sport called gulliball
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Dr. Lariat posted:since we can't call her a Mary Sue anymore is there another name for a character that is perfect in every way and has no character flaws to make them interesting? How do you explain her stubbornly holding on to false hope and literally running away in a panic when that hope is shattered as anything but a "character flaw?"
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gently caress this thread for making me watch the Holiday Special. Chewie's dad is watching a grease film in the living room.
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Free Market Mambo posted:gently caress this thread for making me watch the Holiday Special. Chewie's dad is watching a grease film in the living room. Do or do not, there is no peer pressure.
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Free Market Mambo posted:gently caress this thread for making me watch the Holiday Special. Chewie's dad is watching a grease film in the living room. What? That's all on you. The official stance of the thread is "All Star Wars is bad, avoid at all costs"
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Rey is not a Mary Sue. Rey is so afraid of leaving the only life she's ever known that she rejects her "Call to Adventure" three separate times; after escaping Jakku with Finn, refusing Han's offer to join the Falcon crew, and literally running away when Maz tells her to take Anakin's saber. It takes the death of her mentor and the assumed death of her only friend before she finally gives in, accepts her destiny, and takes up the saber. People keep pointing to her skills with The Falcon as Mary Sue evidence. It's not. -The in-universe answer: The Falcon has been on Jakku for some time. We know Unkar Platt has made several modifications to it that Han doesn't know about. Rey is simply more knowledgeable about these changes than Han is. Even when Rey "fixes" the Falcon before Han, all she's really done is brute-force a temporary fix. And if we're really comparing Han and Rey's piloting ability, look no further than the two insane hyperspace maneuvers Han pulls off in TFA. "Is that even possible?!" "I never ask that question 'til after I try." -The real-world answer: ILM is capable of making The Falcon move and fight in ways that were impossible in 1983. Nerds with a lack of imagination interpret the wild maneuvers in TFA as "Rey is a better pilot than Han" instead of "Movie technology is more advanced in 2015". Rey isn't the instant Jedi people keep insisting either. It takes her three tries to perform a Jedi Mind Trick, something shown in A New Hope and Return of The Jedi as being relatively easy. The only impressive feat she performs in TFA is summoning the lightsaber, and again, this is only after the saber shakes and rumbles for several seconds before flying into her hands. Her fight with Kylo is even easier to explain. He's just taken a crossbow bolt to the gut, his right arm was singed by Finn, and he's an angry emotional wreck after killing his father and being challenged by the two people who've been a thorn in his side the entire movie. He still has the upper hand in his fight with Rey until she calms herself and calls upon The Force (finally). He's also been instructed to bring her alive to his master, so we know that he's isn't swinging for a kill. If the planet hadn't literally crumbled around them, Kylo would likely have bested her in the fight. But, you know, paying attention to movies takes effort and it's easier to regurgitate clickbait article headlines.
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wait is chewy's wife named Paula? so the bacca family is Itchy, Chewie, Lumpy and Paula?? also what is wrong with Itchy's face?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Rey isn't the instant Jedi people keep insisting either. It takes her three tries to perform a Jedi Mind Trick lmao you thought this was a good point.
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spacemang_spliff posted:wait is chewy's wife named Paula? Malla, actually Itchy is an elderly Wookiee and very old people always look weird
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Pththya-lyi posted:Malla, actually malla makes sense. was itchy in some kind of industrial accident when he was younger?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Rey is not a Mary Sue.
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han dropping out of hyperspace inside the starkillers atmosphere was by far the most insane piloting maneuver in the movie and probably the entire series at this point
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Chomp8645 posted:lmao you thought this was a good point. In a universe with Luke "Makes A 'One-In-A-Million' Shot His Very First Time In A Starfighter" Skywalker, it's an excellent point.
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Pththya-lyi posted:In a universe with Luke "Makes A 'One-In-A-Million' Shot His Very First Time In A Starfighter" Skywalker, it's an excellent point. One in a million? He used to bullseye wamp rats that small all the time in his t-16 Sky Hopper
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Pththya-lyi posted:In a universe with Luke "Makes A 'One-In-A-Million' Shot His Very First Time In A Starfighter" Skywalker, it's an excellent point. yeah nobody has any problem with that being the force but rey managing to evade a pair of tie fighters and pull a thing out of an engine is apparently beyond the pale
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Dr. Lariat posted:One in a million? He used to bullseye wamp rats that small all the time in his t-16 Sky Hopper he switched off his targeting computer and it looked like something was wrong, but he said it was nothing and it was all right it was a great shot for a kid like him to make, one in a million
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Dr. Lariat posted:One in a million? He used to bullseye wamp rats that small all the time in his t-16 Sky Hopper as i said in the other starwar thread, mary sue luke skywalker goes from civillian cessna pilot to skilled f-22 pilot with zero training. what a mary sue
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Eh, Luke is established to be a pilot of some sort with a couple of offhand lines ("Yeah, I'm not such a bad pilot myself!" womp rats, etc.). It's tenuous and there's not much to give the impression that anything other than The Force is helping him in the trench run. By comparison, Rey's background (literally scavenging ships to eat) gives her far more credibility for the skills she supposedly pulls out of her rear end.
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But because it's the Millennium Falcon and not some random spaceship, cynical internet trolls feel compelled to defend the piloting ability of a fictional pilot from a previous film.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:But because it's the Millennium Falcon and not some random spaceship, cynical internet trolls feel compelled to defend the piloting ability of a fictional pilot from a previous film. which is weird because han showed off the sickest moves in the entire franchise in this movie
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Fojar38 posted:which is weird because han showed off the sickest moves in the entire franchise in this movie Star Wars fans don't actually like Star Wars. SMG was right all along 
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Otisburg posted:as i said in the other starwar thread, mary sue luke skywalker goes from civillian cessna pilot to skilled f-22 pilot with zero training. what a mary sue Not just skilled, but also more skilled than the experienced pilots! With the sole exception of Wedge, all the other pilots in Red Squadron die in the battle! Mary Sue!
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Star Wars fans don't actually like Star Wars. They shouldn't, it's more bad than good. You've got like 2 1/2 decent movies, maybe 1 1/2 decent movies if you want to be harsh, and then a million hours of bad tv, bad books, bad games. If you had scales and put good Star Wars on one and bad Star Wars on the other, do we really believe the good Star Wars side would be the heavier? Lol? The new counter argument is competency equals Mary Sue? Here's a hint, Rey isn't a Mary Sue because RAGGH! Female leads in MY Star Wars! Rey is a Mary Sue because most star wars is lazily written and full of short cuts. She is hardly the first under cooked protagonist in Star Wars media and sure as gently caress won't be the last.
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