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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Auspol December : Fuck its hot.

Pred1ct: Feb 20, 2004; Burninating

I approve of Mick Malloy

How can we put a Christmas spin on our usual bigoted fear-mongering, asks the Daily Mail

# ? Dec 23, 2015 07:34

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# ? May 24, 2024 13:27

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

"Cordon Bleu cooking for convicted criminals outrage" is a staple of the Mail in Britain.

# ? Dec 23, 2015 08:13

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

quote:

A Victorian woman has been charged with serious religious vilification after posting comments about Islam on Facebook.

The Swan Hill woman, 38, was charged on 15 December for a post on 27 November which police alleged would encourage others to commit harm to Muslims.

The woman used Facebook to defend herself saying she had made the comment on the Stop the Mosque in Bendigo page and said �all mosques should be burnt down with the doors locked at prayer time�.

�Probably not the best thing to write but that�s my opinion, others commented after my post agreeing with it and unbeknown to myself it got a lot of likes, that is where their incitement charge is coming from,� she wrote.

�Yesterday I got a call at work by the detective and he told me I was being charged. I told him how can I be charged for an opinion and how can I be charged with a religious vilification when I don�t acknowledge those that are Muslims and those that follow the Quaran (sic) as a religion but as an evil, hateful ideology.

�I am more than happy for it to go public, if I do nothing about it and let them win it goes against everything I stand for and I can�t do that! I didn�t want this or the publicity that will come with it but it is what it is and I�m not about to back down.�

It's the vibe, your honour

# ? Dec 23, 2015 09:07

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Today you cant say people should be burned alive, whats next? Dear oh dear.

# ? Dec 23, 2015 09:16

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

katlington posted:

Today you cant say people should be burned alive, whats next? Dear oh dear.

Lost a family member to the flame. Hope they throw the book at her.

# ? Dec 23, 2015 09:18

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Queensland underground coal mine operators have been warned by the mining union to reduce their dust levels below the state's safety standard or they will be shut down.

The Queensland Resources Council has condemned the warning as an "ill-conceived threat" based on questionable legality.

Three weeks ago 7.30 revealed that Percy Verrall and three other former and current coalminers have the potentially life-threatening disease "black lung", or coal miners' pneumoconiosis, thought to have been eradicated from Australian coalfields.

The mining union, CFMEU, now says it is likely more cases will emerge.

"At this stage, there are four confirmed cases of black lung," CFMEU Queensland mining president, Stephen Smyth said.

"And we have another four unconfirmed cases which will be verified in the forthcoming weeks."

The CFMEU's national president Andrew Vickers said he was "gutted" by the development.

"That in 2015 we are seeing a re-occurrence of the disease, and a terrible debilitating disease and a murderous disease that we thought we had eradicated from the industry. It is just not good enough," he said.

The Queensland Mines Department and mine operators like BHP asserted that local radiologists have the skills to correctly identify the disease in regular checkups, a claim the union disputes.

"I have no faith in the current scheme with these nominated medical authorities (company doctors) and some of the radiologists because they have failed," Mr Smyth said.

"And the system shows us that they are failing, because we have all these cases of black lung which had to be confirmed either by a biopsy in Australia ,or read by an expert in the US," he said.

"So the system is not working."

# ? Dec 23, 2015 09:37

Skellybones: May 31, 2011; Fun Shoe

After all we've done for it, this is how coal repays Australia? No. No, it must be the miners who are wrong.

# ? Dec 23, 2015 09:43

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

A racist posted:

I told him how can I be charged for an opinion and how can I be charged with a religious vilification when I don�t acknowledge those that are Muslims and those that follow the Quaran (sic) as a religion but as an evil, hateful ideology.

"How can you possibly say I'm vilifying those disgusting subhuman mongrels!" :irony:

:irony:

# ? Dec 23, 2015 09:58

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Evil hateful ideology and religion are mutually exclusive, who knew?

# ? Dec 23, 2015 10:06

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Pred1ct posted:

I approve of Mick Malloy

Tony Martin told the story on Get This and imitated Mick, and the question was "why are you such a loving oval office?", and he was going to do nothing on the whole segment but ask that question, regardless of an answer. Needless to say, it was never mentioned again, and the word probably went out. Many Get This fans think it was no coincidence that that show was canned on the eve of Howard's last election campaign.

The rant that quote came from is quite a good read, and makes a good point.

# ? Dec 23, 2015 10:15

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Anyone else simply can't see their new start payments after the 23rd?

# ? Dec 23, 2015 10:27

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Wow, in a real surprise the guy who gave testimony defending George Pell is in fact himself a kidfucker

Sorry for formatting, phoneposting

quote:

A Catholic priest who gave evidence to the child abuse royal commission in defence of Cardinal George Pell was himself the subject of a historical sexual abuse claim, the ABC can reveal.

Key points:
Father John Walshe testified to royal commission in defence of Cardinal George Pell
Father Walshe was subject of sex abuse claim dating back to 1980s
The victim, John Roach, received an apology and compensation
Father Walshe denies abusing Mr Roach
In 2012, the victim, John Roach, received an apology and $75,000 compensation after the Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne accepted he had been sexually abused by Father John Walshe, a parish priest based at Mentone in Melbourne's south east.

Father Walshe denies he abused Mr Roach.

Mr Roach was an 18-year-old seminarian in 1982 when the incident took place.

Father Walshe had recently been ordained and was in his early 20s.

Mr Roach, who now lives in the United States, said he felt compelled to speak publicly after seeing Father Walshe giving evidence at the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse last week.

"Walshe cannot hold himself up as this paragon of virtue," Mr Roach said.

"I think he is certainly a compromised witness."

Last week, Father Walshe gave evidence at the royal commission about his recollection of a 1993 phone call between Cardinal George Pell and a child abuse victim.

He had been asked to make a statement by Cardinal Pell's legal team.

Father Walshe was living with Cardinal Pell at the time and described in detail the Cardinal's demeanour when he emerged from taking the call.

In the hearing, Counsel Assisting Angus Stewart SC accused Father Walshe of lying.

"Father I suggest to you that you fabricated these aspects of your statement to save your good friend Cardinal Pell," Mr Stewart said.

Father Walshe strenuously denied he had tried to deceive the Commission.

'I woke up in his bed and he was abusing me'
Mr Roach was a first-year seminarian in 1982 when he met the recently ordained Father Walshe at the Corpus Christi College in Clayton.

"One night he invited me up to his room, which was not uncommon," Mr Roach said.

PHOTO John Roach (pictured here as an altar boy) says Father Walshe invited him to his room one night and he woke to Father Walshe abusing him.

SUPPLIED
"We had a fair bit of port to drink � I was very unfamiliar with drinking � and I woke up in his bed and he was abusing me.

"I left as quickly as I could, I was very confused, I didn't know what to do, what to think."

Mr Roach said there were two further encounters the following year which included an element of consent.

In a statement to the ABC, Father Walshe said in 1982 he was sexually naive and emotionally vulnerable.

He said he had engaged in "consensual conduct" with another adult.

"My conduct was contrary to my religious beliefs. However it by no means constituted any form of abuse," the statement said.

Mr Roach left the seminary in 1983, but two years later decided to return and had a meeting with the new rector, Cardinal Pell.

"In the course of the interview, he asked me why did I leave in the first place and I told him one of the principal reasons I left in the first place was that I had been abused by a priest," Mr Roach said.

"He said, 'I have got to ask you this, can you name the priest?' and I said 'sure, he is Father John Walshe', and he went, 'OK'."

'No doubt sexual abuse occurred': Peter O'Callaghan QC
In 2012, the Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne, Denis Hart, apologised to Mr Roach for the "wrongs and hurt" he suffered at the hands of Father Walshe.

Mr Roach was offered the maximum compensation payment allowed under the church's complaints process, the Melbourne Response.

PHOTO "At the end of the day..the Church agrees with me": John Roach.

ABC NEWS
Father Walshe was allowed to continue running the Mentone-Parkdale parish.

In his final report on the complaint, the lawyer appointed by the church to investigate the case, Peter O'Callaghan QC, was satisfied Mr Roach had been sexually abused.

He defined sexual abuse as: "conduct of a sexual nature that is inconsistent with the public vows, integrity of the ministerial relationship, duties or professional responsibilities of church personnel."

Although Mr O'Callaghan made no finding on which man's version of events should be believed, the final report said, "there is no doubt that sexual abuse occurred" because "a reasonable inference to be drawn is that J [the priest] had a degree of influence and control over the Seminarian".

The finding was not based on any legal interpretation of sexual abuse.

"It can be denied by Walshe till hell freezes over, but the Church accepted my case," Mr Roach said.

The ABC has sought comment from Archbishop Hart and Cardinal Pell.

EXTERNAL LINK
Statement from John Walshe

Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Dec 23, 2015

# ? Dec 23, 2015 11:12

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Can anyone explain to me the controversy about lyme disease in Australia?

# ? Dec 23, 2015 13:50

Vladimir Poutine: Aug 13, 2012

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Can anyone explain to me the controversy about lyme disease in Australia?

It doesn't officially exist here in the medical literature but a whole lot of people have apparently contracted an infectious disease with borderline identical symptoms. When I was doing honours in microbio my supervisor implied that there's basically an unspoken widespread belief in microbiology (maybe not in medicine because it's way more conservative) that the Borrelia burgdorferi bacteria that cause Lyme disease do exist in Australia, or a very closely related species does.There's not really much published to say this though.

There's also an unrelated controversy about whether or not it causes a long-term illness called "chronic Lyme disease" that has similar symptoms to fibromyalgia. Thus far there's not that much reliable evidence that Lyme disease actually causes these symptoms in the long term. Borrelia burgdorferi spirochetes stay in the body long after infection so some people think that this causes the possibly-existent chronic illness. Anyway, long-term antibiotic treatment would clear them from the body, but that's fairly dangerous so there's a controversy about that too.

# ? Dec 23, 2015 14:07

Putrid Dog: Feb 13, 2012; "God, I wish I was dead!"

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Can anyone explain to me the controversy about lyme disease in Australia?

Originally in the 90s there was a health announcement that Lyme would be on the rise and for doctors to look out for symptoms. The testing done at Westmead failed to get any positives and so it was determined that the disease wasn't here rather than the tests weren't working or optimized for Australia's borrelia - which exists in Europe/the Americas/Africa/Asia.

I used to work in the private lab that tests for Borrelia.
They do inhouse PCR with their own primers and 2 kits - one serological and one based on cell activity EliSpot - a method also used for TB and HIV. I can say for sure we had positives from the kits from people who never left the country. A few of the doctors who actually call themselves Lyme specialists tend to have Lyme also which is the reason why they got into it.

The PCR primers are the company's intellectual property and according to my old boss some of the researchers had asked for access to the primers in use for studies which my boss refused.

I have also heard that doctors that have gone out of their way to diagnose people who have never left Aus with Lyme have been threatened with deregistration.

Lyme/borrelia is a bugger to treat when you have it in a chronic condition. I collected blood from people who had been sick for 10 to 20 years and turned up positive on the tests. Not only that, you could have a number of coinfections like Rickettsia or Bartonella that give you different symptoms. In some cases, victims would get a bullseye rash from the bite - a universal sign of borrelia infection but not here apparently.

It's my personal opinion that it is here, but the majority of registrars and doctors in the hospital i work at now don't believe so at all.

Could go more into it but heading into work now.

# ? Dec 23, 2015 21:27

Amoeba102: Jan 22, 2010

NSW takes stand against children in detention

War on Christmas real Alternate: Large influx of Auspolers to Brunei

# ? Dec 23, 2015 23:31

Negative Entropy: Nov 30, 2009

MythLisp posted:

Originally in the 90s there was a health announcement that Lyme would be on the rise and for doctors to look out for symptoms. The testing done at Westmead failed to get any positives and so it was determined that the disease wasn't here rather than the tests weren't working or optimized for Australia's borrelia - which exists in Europe/the Americas/Africa/Asia.

I used to work in the private lab that tests for Borrelia.
They do inhouse PCR with their own primers and 2 kits - one serological and one based on cell activity EliSpot - a method also used for TB and HIV. I can say for sure we had positives from the kits from people who never left the country. A few of the doctors who actually call themselves Lyme specialists tend to have Lyme also which is the reason why they got into it.

The PCR primers are the company's intellectual property and according to my old boss some of the researchers had asked for access to the primers in use for studies which my boss refused.

I have also heard that doctors that have gone out of their way to diagnose people who have never left Aus with Lyme have been threatened with deregistration.

Lyme/borrelia is a bugger to treat when you have it in a chronic condition. I collected blood from people who had been sick for 10 to 20 years and turned up positive on the tests. Not only that, you could have a number of coinfections like Rickettsia or Bartonella that give you different symptoms. In some cases, victims would get a bullseye rash from the bite - a universal sign of borrelia infection but not here apparently.

It's my personal opinion that it is here, but the majority of registrars and doctors in the hospital i work at now don't believe so at all.

Could go more into it but heading into work now.

very interesting. Why would you boss refuse access to the primers? or did he offer his PCR services to the researchers instead?

# ? Dec 23, 2015 23:36

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

It's high time that strong action was taken against the terrorist responsible.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-24/police-investigate-explosion-in-bowen/7052280

quote:

Police set up exclusion zone in Bowen after explosion Updated 32 minutes ago

Guests have been evacuated from a motel in north Queensland after a container of suspected hydrochloric acid exploded. Emergency services are on standby at the Oceanview Motel on the Bruce Highway, just south of Bowen. Police said a second, unexploded container had been found during a search. A 100-metre exclusion zone is in place, but the Bruce Highway is not affected. No-one is believed to have been injured. Police said it was not known where the containers came from. Authorities said there was no further information at this stage.

Interesting smear of heroic and fearless journalist Greg Sherriden

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-22/maccallum-how-an-asio-chief-came-up-against-a-hostile-media/7047624

quote:

How an ASIO chief came up against a hostile media OPINION By Mungo MacCallum Updated Tue at 12:57pm

When ASIO chief Duncan Lewis had the gumption to say Muslim baiting in Australia could be counter-productive, the usual suspects in the media were only too happy to set him straight and reassert their own agenda, writes Mungo MacCallum. Christmas comes but once a year to fill the voters' hearts with fear; so now that Tony Abbott is not here as Prime Minister to supply it, The Australian has obligingly steeped in to the space with a splendidly seasonal beat-up. It started with an interview not in the national daily, but in its little sister The Daily Telegraph, which somehow made it worse. Duncan Lewis had the temerity to assert that Muslim baiting in Australia was overblown and dangerous and could make it harder for the various counter-terrorist agencies to do their work.

And, shock horror, he had reportedly said the same thing to some of the Coalition's more bellicose backbenchers, just in case they could not read the newspaper. But what would Duncan Lewis know about it? He is only the Director-General of ASIO, our chief domestic intelligence network and the man responsible for the nation's security. Fortunately we had The Australian's fearless foreign editor, Greg Sheridan, who set him right. Lewis, thundered the paper's uberpundit, was wrong in substance and in principle. His substantial sin, it appears, was implicitly criticising Sheridan's dear friend Tony Abbott - utterly unacceptable, akin to blasphemy. And his mistake in principle was to involve his job in political debate - it was an issue of free speech, which could be left untrammelled by the Abbottistas of this world, but must be ruthlessly suppressed in the case of Lewis. And this, continued Sheridan, was not only his opinion; he had talked to lots of his friends, politicians of course, but also extensive contacts within the security services - supportive spooks. Which is really the point; while ASIO's boss, Lewis, is prepared to be upfront with the public about his carefully thought out assessments, there are still many of his unreconstructed underlings who are willing and able to leak anonymously to supportive elements in the media to further their own agendas.

Sheridan is not the only one, nor the first to be the beneficiary of such subterfuge. Since ASIO was inaugurated at the start of the Cold War there have been compliant politicians and journalists eager to feed on whatever scraps of information - and misinformation - their sources could provide. And few, if any, complained, even when they have turned out to be seriously misled. Lewis, encouraged by Turnbull, has been more open, to the chagrin of conspirators like Sheridan who love to believe that they are real players in the secret world, lurkers in the shadows. It has since turned out that Lewis spoke to just two members of parliament: Dan Tehan, who is the chair of the joint parliamentary committee on intelligence and security, and the newly-elected Andrew Hastie, who, like Lewis himself, is a former SAS officer. Neither of the two has objected to Lewis's counsel. The outrage, as Sheridan called it, came from the usual suspects in the Abbott camp: the terrible Tasmanians, Eric Abetz and Andrew Nikolic, and the West Australian Dennis Jensen, perhaps urged on by the usual suspects in the media.

Turnbull himself has firmly denied that he asked Lewis to speak to anyone in particular, but that he did say that the ASIO chief and his colleagues in the counter-terrorism business should be prepared to talk to as many people as possible - politicians on both sides, community groups and journalists - including, presumably, Greg Sheridan. But I doubt if The Australian's Deep Throat will take out the offer. After all, to tell his readers what his sources actually are would take all the fun out of it. Just to confirm that conspiracies are the paper's meat and drink, a follow up piece - no, a screaming headline - on Monday proclaimed: "PM warned on stifling Islam debate". There was, we were told, a "furious dispute" within the Coalition party room - which has, of course, been empty since Parliament rose for the summer recess, but had anyone been inside it, no doubt they would have been disputing furiously.

As it was, the report did not name a single new source; the zealous defenders of their right to free speech were carefully anonymous - if, indeed, they existed. But they were enough for Sheridan to fulminate in yet another opinion piece that Turnbull must sort out the "incredibly messy business of misusing ASIO to enforce political uniformity". And the chief stirrer of the shemozzle went on to deplore "inexperience in national security, a lack of a clear, consistent, deeply thought-out political outlook on the matter, combined with a desire to endlessly put Abbott to the sword."

But fortunately, Sheridan, as always, had a solution: Where is the national security grey beard, the hard head, someone who can blend the policy and the politics, in his (Turnbull's) inner circle?
Who could he possibly have in mind? After all, the photograph that came with the diatribe shows that Sheridan's beard is only slightly grizzled, not really grey. But, having in the previous week penned the job application for Tony Abbott to take over as Turnbull's partner, perhaps it is only fitting that he should spruik his own credentials. It would be nice to have the two close friends working together to re-educate their boss. But alas, Turnbull already has security advisers he trusts: Lewis, for instance, and also the Commissioner of the Australian Federal Police, Andrew Colvin, who has also spoken on the need for a calm and measured approach when it comes to dealing with the Muslim community.

Sheridan will have to be content with his traditional role of ringing his bells and waving his placards, warning constantly that the end is nigh unless and until the leftie sinners like Turnbull are defeated in the final battle - when, of course, they will be cast down to burn in hell forever. And let's face it, Sheridan would never be comfortable in the rational optimism surrounding Turnbull's office. He will always be happier in the metaphysical forebodings of the Murdoch empire. After all, it is entirely appropriate that Greg Sheridan translates anagrammatically as he rigs danger. And with that thought, merry Christmas to all our readers. And bah humbug to the rest of you.

Not done as household consumption but some interesting figures here:

http://www.esaa.com.au/policy/data_and_statistics-_energy_in_australia

# ? Dec 24, 2015 00:27

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Amoeba102 posted:

War on Christmas real Alternate: Large influx of Auspolers to Brunei

While you're there, try not to kill yourself on their horribly textured, flavourless national dish.

# ? Dec 24, 2015 00:53

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

I don't believe that punching people is assault, I think it's a loving gesture, ergo I am now going to go to King St tonight and king hit people and no one can charge me with anything.

# ? Dec 24, 2015 01:37

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

HookShot posted:

I don't believe that punching people is assault, I think it's a loving gesture, ergo I am now going to go to King St tonight and king hit people and no one can charge me with anything.

Beware, all punches on King St are king hits aka cowards punches.

# ? Dec 24, 2015 01:47

Putrid Dog: Feb 13, 2012; "God, I wish I was dead!"

Kommando posted:

very interesting. Why would you boss refuse access to the primers? or did he offer his PCR services to the researchers instead?

Intellectual property. She said she would allow them to use them if they signed a confidentiality agreement. Apparently one of the board said they could, but it wouldn't guarantee any of the staff would steal the genetic code they use. Pretty much they'd go out of business if public health got them. And the way public health do things are by screening with serology and if positive, confirmation with PCR. Borrelia in particular is a poo poo to test for as some people don't produce antibodies to them, or become so immune suppressed that they end up screening negative. Or the tests are optimized for that strain. My old company don't use that method for screening. You can get a PCR done without screening positive on serology. Which again, can come back negative based on where the spirochetes are located or the shape they are in (borrelia in cyst form are harder to detect)

As far as I'm aware I think she did offer, but as the lab isn't NATA accredited yet, I think they refused so it came to stalemate. I havent worked there in 8 months now, and all this happened either late last year or very early this year. Which is why some researcher trying to find Borrelia in Perth hasn't found anything and either will release/has released a journal article that borrelia isn't here.

# ? Dec 24, 2015 01:52

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

lol good luck getting charged with hitting someone there is like no one there anymore.

who's the real cowards now huh?

# ? Dec 24, 2015 01:52

BCR: Jan 23, 2011

Laserface posted:

If working full time in a 5 of 7 day roster, should penalty rates be applied to sundays?

Don't know. With rostered work unless its explicitly mentioned in your contract, you generally get 1.5X for so many hours then 2X after that.
actu helpline 1300 486 466
fairwork 13 13 94

I've had rostered work where if you're on saturday its the normal 1.5X an hour and sunday its the normal 2X an hour.

I've also worked on an award, where there was no penalty rates but they'd bumped up the hourly rate to make up for it.

BCR fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Dec 24, 2015

# ? Dec 24, 2015 01:53

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

loving unemployable economic immigrants:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-24/rescued-migrant-wins-big-in-spain-christmas-lottery/7052202

quote:

Rescued asylum seeker wins big in Spain's Christmas lottery just days after losing job Updated about an hour ago

A Senegalese man who was rescued by the Spanish coastguard in the Strait of Gibraltar eight years ago has won 400,000 euros ($600,000) in Spain's annual Christmas lottery.

# ? Dec 24, 2015 02:08

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Cartoon posted:

Not done as household consumption but some interesting figures here:

http://www.esaa.com.au/policy/data_and_statistics-_energy_in_australia

I don't think that energy consumption decline is that great. The y-axis is abbreviated so you only get about a 10% decline. There has been huge leaps in energy efficiency during that time, and people tend to be more mindful about turning things off when not in use. Lights, fridges, computers, tv's have all had huge reductions of power consumption. The things that have remained constant are stuff like hot water/laundry/cooking/air-con(?), and even then most of these average an hour or two a day. My home would far exceed 10%. And given how industry has changed over that period I'm surprised it's not more.

# ? Dec 24, 2015 02:16

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

BCR posted:

Don't know. With rostered work unless its explicitly mentioned in your contract, you generally get 1.5X for so many hours then 2X after that.
actu helpline 1300 486 466
fairwork 13 13 94

I've had rostered work where if you're on saturday its the normal 1.5X an hour and sunday its the normal 2X an hour.

I've also worked on an award, where there was no penalty rates but they'd bumped up the hourly rate to make up for it.

How is this noted in the award? I should be able to ask the employer what award I am on, and then look it up on fair work and it'll say "$XX an hour plus YY to compensate for no penalty rates" ?

# ? Dec 24, 2015 02:47

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

MythLisp posted:

Intellectual property.

Are they claiming they own naturally occuring bacterial DNA, or certain PCR primers, or a method for assaying antibodies?

Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 24, 2015

# ? Dec 24, 2015 02:49

BCR: Jan 23, 2011

Laserface posted:

How is this noted in the award? I should be able to ask the employer what award I am on, and then look it up on fair work and it'll say "$XX an hour plus YY to compensate for no penalty rates" ?

1) Look at contract, if it doesn't mention what award you're going to have to ask your employer.
I don't like this part because it lets lovely bosses know that you know they're lovely. I like the element of surprise.
2)Ask your employer what award you're under.
3) You can then look up the award on the fairwork website and it'll tell you what the minimum you're meant to be paid, plus any compensation for no penalty rates. With some awards its buried in the details.
4) Quicker way is to ring fairwork or the actu. "hello I'm x, on y award being paid z an hour with no penalty rates is this correct?"

# ? Dec 24, 2015 03:03

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

The former Australian prime minister, who was a Rhodes scholar in the 1980s, has weighed into the debate telling the Independent �racism is a dreadful evil ... but it�s hardly virtuous to be against racism today�.

Tony Abbott leaps to the defense of the father of apartheid.

# ? Dec 24, 2015 07:22

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

quote:

but it’s hardly virtuous to be against racism today”.

Too early to name the January thread?

# ? Dec 24, 2015 07:57

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

hes not wrong though

its like being anti-cancer

# ? Dec 24, 2015 08:59

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Full sentence:

"Racism is a dreadful evil but we all know that now. It�s hardly virtuous to be against racism today. Real virtue would have been to oppose racism when it was difficult to do so."

# ? Dec 24, 2015 09:06

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

QUACKTASTIC posted:

Full sentence:

"Racism is a dreadful evil but we all know that now. It�s hardly virtuous to be against racism today. Real virtue would have been to oppose racism when it was difficult to do so."

dig up ... UP

# ? Dec 24, 2015 09:12

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Negligent posted:

hes not wrong though

its like being anti-cancer

True, but it's still weird hearing it coming from the tumor itself.

# ? Dec 24, 2015 09:12

Firetrick: Aug 4, 2006

QUACKTASTIC posted:

Full sentence:

"Racism is a dreadful evil but we all know that now. It’s hardly virtuous to be against racism today. Real virtue would have been to oppose racism when it was difficult to do so."

Virtue hipster

# ? Dec 24, 2015 09:14

Big Willy Style: Feb 11, 2007; How many Astartes do you know that roll like this?

Laserface posted:

How is this noted in the award? I should be able to ask the employer what award I am on, and then look it up on fair work and it'll say "$XX an hour plus YY to compensate for no penalty rates" ?

If you are on salary then you should be getting the minimum + 25% to cover the penalty rates they would normally pay you if you weren't on a salary, this is in hospitality at least

So if you are on salary you should have the exact same pay every pay day. I recently got 440 hrs of back pay because my employer didn't understand how salaries work/ were knowingly under paying me

# ? Dec 24, 2015 10:55

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

"Domestic violence is a dreadful evil but we all know that now. It’s hardly virtuous to be against domestic violence today. Real virtue would have been to oppose domestic violence when it was difficult to do so."

# ? Dec 24, 2015 11:18

Putrid Dog: Feb 13, 2012; "God, I wish I was dead!"

Mr Chips posted:

Are they claiming they own naturally occuring bacterial DNA, or certain PCR primers, or a method for assaying antibodies?

Certain PCR primers for the Borrelia DNA detected and I suppose the method too, as they culture blood/serum between 3 weeks to 2 months as it's such a low level bacteria and slow growing too, much like TB. Urine they don't culture as its dead/bits of borrelia being picked up by PCR. Borrelia positive urine samples tended to coincide with IgG positive ImmunoBlot results suggesting a longer period of infection.

What I find the most strange is that doctors treating Borreliosis/Lyme have been threatened with deregisteration/restriictions. A disease has become political when it really shouldn't be.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/gps-lyme-disease-treatment-ban-angers-sufferers/story-e6frg8y6-1226796835468

This one is from last week.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...b88daa6b71f96e3

This is a long and interesting read about Borrelia/Coinfections in the Sydney House of Reps. The patient experiences are pretty freaking horrible with the average time of someone getting sick to being diagnosed is 6 and a half years on average.
http://www.lymedisease.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Standing-Committee-on-Health_2015_09_18_3808.pdf

# ? Dec 24, 2015 12:24

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# ? May 24, 2024 13:27

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

BlitzkriegOfColour posted:

Wait what? A) that's the media industry and not entertainment, b) since when did anybody in our industry get paid overtime or penalty rates. It happens sometimes, but rare as hen's teeth. C) do you really think a government would ever go after us? We'd demolish them.

I don't want to say what I do exactly because it's a tiny industry but basically, yeah, we're a media company but pretty much our only client is TV networks. I always just tell people I work in TV because it explains why I work such lovely hours.

I don't know how it works for other people in entertainment but I'm on wages, not salary, and I drat well expect any Australian on wages to be getting extra money on the hour if they're working at unsociable times. Like I said before, I know lawyers and doctors and stuff work crazy hours, but they also get paid a squillion times better than me and have scope for advancement and future earnings (which I don't, this is very much a dead-end job).

# ? Dec 24, 2015 13:03

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