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RE: ~"Without any training."~ Is the take that Rey was a survivor from Luke's New Jedi Academy (maybe even his kid) that's somehow mind-wiped like, a niche thing? Seemed like they were dropping hints like TIE bomber on that one.
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I'm actually disappointed they showed all the powers Rey could do already since there's no compelling hook to her ~end of this movie event~ (as if anyone here hasn't seen the movie yet). Like I guess she'll pull the falcon out of a swamp but I don't really care all that much otherwise. Luke doesn't do a mind trick until ROTJ so at least he had that trick to learn. Maybe she'll start pulling star destroyers out of orbit like the force unleashed games? Lol. There's more to this than lol sexism vs lol Mary Sue. It really just dampens the end of the movie IMO.
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Dec 24, 2015 14:43
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I thought the compelling hook was that she finally found her "family" (or literally, family), and having answered The Call will face more trials and challenges, discover more about herself along with the audience, etc. Having demonstrated a few force powers before her character sheet got the right feats and reached the right level prestige classes doesn't really bother me.  I kind of like that we know she's v. strong in the Force, without having to resort to the artlessness of exposition about how many space parasites are swimming around in her guts or how she fits some unexplained "prophecy."
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Dec 24, 2015 14:47
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luke loses his hand, loses his spaceship in a swamp, and gets his face hosed up. he's not that goood also he's the son of space jesus (darth vader was a virgin birth by the force lol) so obv. he's really powerful innately. Also, Obi Wan was one of the first to become a force ghost since Quaigon invented the idea so maybe his force ghost greatly helped matters in a way never before seen
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Dec 24, 2015 14:48
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Modest Mao posted:luke loses his hand, loses his spaceship in a swamp, and gets his face hosed up. he's not that good Wow dude, his car crash was an out of universe thing wtf
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Dec 24, 2015 14:51
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Dec 24, 2015 14:59
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Chill la Chill posted:Maybe she'll start pulling star destroyers out of orbit like the force unleashed games? Lol. "Use the Force, Rey." *Rey compresses bad guys into a single 5cm cube of flesh, bone and armor."
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Dec 24, 2015 15:18
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Otisburg posted:RE: ~"Without any training."~ Is the take that Rey was a survivor from Luke's New Jedi Academy (maybe even his kid) that's somehow mind-wiped like, a niche thing? Seemed like they were dropping hints like TIE bomber on that one. I hadn't heard that before but it makes sense. All the visions of Ren loving everyone up are more plausible if she was actually there and just mind wiped and programmed with a huge fear of leaving poo poo planet Jakku so Luke could find her again at some point.
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Dec 24, 2015 15:18
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I figured she was Luke's daughter cause of the visions and poo poo Maz was saying but didn't really connect it to possible training as a kid. Guess that could make sense.
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Dec 24, 2015 15:24
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TK-42-1 posted:I hadn't heard that before but it makes sense. All the visions of Ren loving everyone up are more plausible if she was actually there and just mind wiped and programmed with a huge fear of leaving poo poo planet Jakku so Luke could find her again at some point. My idiot guess is that Ren couldn't bring himself to kill her 'cause at that point he was even more conflicted with "the light", so he mind wipes her using his demonstrated brutal mind powers and drops her off hoping she's never found, but at least he won't have to kill her himself. It would explain why she was left with a weird monster who shorts her rations instead of trusted friend/family.
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Dec 24, 2015 15:24
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I can't wait for the special edition where Obi Wan's ghost is put next to Rey whispering in her ear every time she's doing something with the force.
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Dec 24, 2015 15:25
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Toughy posted:I can't wait for the special edition where Obi Won's ghost is put next to Rey whispering in her ear every time she's doing something with the force. Old Obi or young Obi? This is important to my enjoyment of this special edition you speak of
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Dec 24, 2015 15:26
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Chill la Chill posted:Old Obi or young Obi? This is important to my enjoyment of this special edition you speak of They will bring Sir Alec Guiness's performance to life with the same technology they used to make Young Jeff Bridges in Tron 2.
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Dec 24, 2015 15:29
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Nice. Can't wait for the 3DDVD then.
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This thread is turning into the Mad Max thread's "where's Max" joke, except unironically.
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the mind trick was a little weird but i figured that it was because she had heard space wizards used to do that and since she was already tied up and doing nothing she decided she may as well give it a shot considering she had just beaten ren in a force-will-battle
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Fojar38 posted:the mind trick was a little weird but i figured that it was because she had heard space wizards used to do that and since she was already tied up and doing nothing she decided she may as well give it a shot considering she had just beaten ren in a force-will-battle but you see she hadn't taken the prerequisite feats yet nor advanced into the jedi counselar prestige class and it's made very clear in the EU novel Temple of The Mind Jedi that unless you're at least a level 3 padawan learner... 
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Dec 24, 2015 16:56
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Wow Otis you're really hammering that straw man hard. Chill out and watch some holiday special IMO.
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Chill la Chill posted:Wow Otis you're really hammering that straw man hard. Chill out and watch some holiday special IMO. 20 minutes into holiday special and chill and he look at u like 
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I'm watching it while prepping Xmas eve dinner. V cool so far. Sucks the TV in the kitchen is small cuz I don't know Wookiee and was hoping I could read their body language to figure out what was going on My mom is asking why there is more than one chewbacca
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Otisburg posted:but you see she hadn't taken the prerequisite feats yet nor advanced into the jedi counselar prestige class and it's made very clear in the EU novel Temple of The Mind Jedi that unless you're at least a level 3 padawan learner... That's bullshit, you just need the force sensitivity feat then take the feat for force training and since humans get a bonus feat she could've taken both at level 1! Chill la Chill posted:Wow Otis you're really hammering that straw man hard. Chill out and watch some holiday special IMO. You're a MONSTER.
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Chill la Chill posted:I'm watching it while prepping Xmas eve dinner. V cool so far. Sucks the TV in the kitchen is small cuz I don't know Wookiee and was hoping I could read their body language to figure out what was going on WHAT THE gently caress ARE YOU DOING!?
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The only good things about the Holiday Special are: - The cartoon short (if only for introducing Boba Fett) - Bea Arthur's performance in the cantina scene.
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Dec 24, 2015 17:30
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Modest Mao posted:Yeah, but
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Rey couldn't do anything until Ren hosed around in her head. Almost as if THE FORCE AWAKENS. She was a competent survivor who lived on her own for years, and then had someone gently caress with her brain which made THE FORCE AWAKEN and then she becomes a competent survivor who can do other poo poo. Star Wars is genre pulp to its core. That someone is too competent is the dumbest goddamn excuse. Luke and Obi-Wan walk into a bar and just happen to find the BEST smuggler in the galaxy? Why are you so good at smuggling, Han? Leia is a motherfucking princess and a senator (because she has to be royalty while at the same time it should be a republic where the common people matter). The Emperor is evil. Where is your nuanced background, Sheev? Who hurt you? If you're looking for goddamn relatable characters making real life decisions in Star Wars you're watching the wrong loving films. It's painted with broad strokes for a reason. The good guys literally wear white and the bad guys literally wear black. Why is it now, now that there's a female protagonist, that you've decided space operas should be more realistic in character actions?
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because this time i got cucked by the black deuteragonist
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:WHAT THE gently caress ARE YOU DOING!? It's fine! I'm crying not because the movie is bad it's cuz of the garlic I'm taking a break from peeling. Really I swear.
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Trevor Hale posted:Rey couldn't do anything until Ren hosed around in her head. Almost as if THE FORCE AWAKENS. She was a competent survivor who lived on her own for years, and then had someone gently caress with her brain which made THE FORCE AWAKEN and then she becomes a competent survivor who can do other poo poo. This threads been making fun of overly powerful or capable characters since it started (of which rey is a pretty minor one) but if you want to ignore that to cry sexism then merry christmas
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Aesop Poprock posted:Rey can use a lightsaber well enough to best a sith lord (Finn doing so was way more ridiculous) with absolutely no training or idea how the force would be involved there, and can also beat that dude in a force struggle over a lightsaber when it's been shown earlier in the movie that kylo is a pretty powerful guy who can freeze blaster bolts in mid air and just kind of forget about them. To be fair, I wouldn't consider Ren a Sith Lord, he is still being trained. Also the dude is struggling with the Dark and Light, so I took that that to mean his force control was sort of lovely at the moment. When you add that he just got shot in the side with a bowcaster and murdered his Dad it seems reasonable to me. I'd give him a pass. Kid had a monumentally bad day.
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Aesop Poprock posted:This threads been making fun of overly powerful or capable characters since it started (of which rey is a pretty minor one) but if you want to ignore that to cry sexism then merry christmas tbf we've only been making fun of overly powerful characters if they've been from the EU/are egregiously stupid like lightsaber armor guy
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Fojar38 posted:tbf we've only been making fun of overly powerful characters if they've been from the EU/are egregiously stupid like lightsaber armor guy Also most of the prequel characters, since that is when Jedi when from subtle to super saiyan. That's one of the things I liked about the new movie for sure. They portray force users much more in the OT style instead of that over the top prequel crap.
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Fojar38 posted:tbf we've only been making fun of overly powerful characters if they've been from the EU/are egregiously stupid like lightsaber armor guy Yeah and "complaints" about rey in this thread have been very minor in comparison to that and the prequel characters being saiyans but the other side of the argument is acting like we noticed someone was female and just started screaming in rage
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Aesop Poprock posted:Yeah and "complaints" about rey in this thread have been very minor in comparison to that and the prequel characters being saiyans but the other side of the argument is acting like we noticed someone was female and just started screaming in rage No you see someone claimed a female character had a flaw this is an outrage I'm calling tumblr right now!
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Dec 24, 2015 18:06
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I'm just so sick of these gender wars
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Dec 24, 2015 18:07
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Hello, tumblr? I'd like to report a case of cis priviledge!!!
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Aesop Poprock posted:Yeah and "complaints" about rey in this thread have been very minor in comparison to that and the prequel characters being saiyans but the other side of the argument is acting like we noticed someone was female and just started screaming in rage Because you never complained about Luke. edit: Star Wars is silly and good. And to complain about the current movie for being silly in the same way that the OT was silly is a bad argument. Is any one person sexist who makes a "Well actually...." argument about TFA, probably not. But on aggregate, I'd imagine it's coming from the same people who had a twinge of anger when they saw John Boyega was a main character. Trevor Hale fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Dec 24, 2015 |
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Trevor Hale posted:Because you never complained about Luke. Something Awful didn't exist in 1977.
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Luke's on Rakata Prime, Rey is Revan mentally and Ren dresses the part. Finn is of course HK47 in a meatbag suit 
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Trevor Hale posted:Because you never complained about Luke. The accident made him an uggo
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Chomp8645 posted:Something Awful didn't exist in 1977. And you didn't watch A New Hope since? When you single out one particular OP character from an array of OP characters, I pretty much have to wonder why you're criticizing that one character. I really did think the answer was "because she's a woman." Now I'm thinking it's "because she's new."
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