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Dec 24, 2015 04:05
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Sir Tonk posted:How dare Bernie offer things to people, doesn't he know that's the realm of Satan! http://louderwithcrowder.com/was-jesus-a-liberal-the-myth-debunked/#.VntifxUrLIU quote:You’ve noticed the crappy trend… it’s become popular and politically expedient to force a leftist political view on your Christian and conservative friends… in the name of Jesus (except when it comes to homosexuality or abortion). How many times have you heard something like, http://louderwithcrowder.com/was-jesus-a-liberal-the-myth-debunked/#ixzz3vCjE8JSV According to Crowder, yes, that's what Jesus wants. Also I guess God loves the rich and hates the poor? That's literally what Crowder is insinuating here.
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Dec 24, 2015 04:17
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Don't the talents represent spirituality and obedience to God, and not actually literally money eh whatever.
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Dec 24, 2015 04:20
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Ugh. For the first time ever I just heard someone complain about safe spaces outside the Internet. The best part? It took place in one of most common safe spaces in the US: a church.
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Dec 24, 2015 04:28
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The Jesus/God that is represented by conservatives/evangelicals is such a depressing, judging rear end in a top hat. He's not accepting nor loving, and only seems to love rich, white uptight, judging assholes. He's used to justify screwing over poor people, and taking away basic civil liberties from people. It feels like I've drifted farther and farther away from being a christian in the traditional sense as a result.
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Dec 24, 2015 04:39
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FuzzySkinner posted:It feels like I've drifted farther and farther away from being a christian in the traditional sense as a result. I've felt over the past several years my church has really blurred the lines between politics and God, and it makes me less inclined to go. I hate fact I'm only going just to avoid causing family drama during my one month break from grad school  .
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Dec 24, 2015 04:50
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FuzzySkinner posted:The Jesus/God that is represented by conservatives/evangelicals is such a depressing, judging rear end in a top hat. Yeah but if you base your view of God by looking around the world instead of in the bible it's hard to say they're wrong.
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Dec 24, 2015 04:53
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A Dipshit Named Crowder posted:It’s true. Jesus did love poor people. Jesus commanded His followers to care for the poor (Matthew 19:21 and such). Thus, leftists take what we call “creative license” and insinuate the Jesus advocated for a complex system of wealth distribution as determined by the federal government. Uh, isn't the will of the people expressed through the federal government? Or am I not understanding democracy? I mean if corporations are people the the government sure as gently caress is.
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Dec 24, 2015 04:56
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FuzzySkinner posted:The Jesus/God that is represented by conservatives/evangelicals is such a depressing, judging rear end in a top hat. I know Alfred North Whitehead criticized traditional Christianity as, in his words, "giving unto God the attributes which belonged exclusively to Caesar", basically making a judgmental dickhead whose most important attribute is his power. Whitehead ended up being the foundation for at least some aspects of progressive Christian thought in critiquing that conception and offering an alternative, so you're not alone, man.
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Dec 24, 2015 04:58
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://louderwithcrowder.com/was-jesus-a-liberal-the-myth-debunked/#.VntifxUrLIU Jesus on homosexuality and abortion: quote:... Yeah strange how people don't quote what he said about the gays, just that whole love your neighbor shtick
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Dec 24, 2015 05:43
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Any time a conservative trots out the "he who does not work" verse, ask them what else they agree with Lenin and Marx on. Then call them socialist sympathizers.
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Dec 24, 2015 06:16
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Do you want to feel good about yourself? Or do you want to help the poor? Because individual charity is great at the first, but nothing beats government intervention for relieving poverty. (Also don't let assholes chase you out of your faith.)
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Dec 24, 2015 06:25
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Any time a conservative trots out the "he who does not work" verse, ask them what else they agree with Lenin and Marx on. Then call them socialist sympathizers. Also the context of that quote is "Don't let people who pretend to be preachers but accomplish nothing take advantage of you" soooooo
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Dec 24, 2015 06:27
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The Ape of Naples posted:FYI, Your therapist wants more money from you because your insurance is going to stop paying soon. As much as therapists pretend to be on you side they just want to make money. My experience was basically the opposite. Except for the highest-ranking psychiatrist I dealt with and one nurse practitioner everybody was there to help people get better. The other thing is that if you found a therapist that doesn't work well for you for literally any reason at all you can say "I want a new therapist." If that rubbed you the wrong way then you can pick up somebody else. Hell one of the first things I got told when I was getting therapy was "you can change therapists any time. If this first one we give you doesn't work we'll find you a new one." I lucked out and got a really good one. But really falling asleep during sessions is absurdly unprofessional and you had every right to be all "find me a new one." Disagree all you want but really you're going to hear a lot of people talking about good experiences. Mental health services are not just a bunch of people that are going to ignore you while they nap and collect money from you.
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Dec 24, 2015 06:43
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All this religion drama makes me happy that I was raised and identify as a (very unobservant) Methodist. Men in suits kinda terrify me because I associate that with fire breathing baptist preachers.
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Dec 24, 2015 07:10
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://louderwithcrowder.com/was-jesus-a-liberal-the-myth-debunked/#.VntifxUrLIU Confirmed: Crowder likes to play with dolls. Specifically, dolls made out of straw.
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Dec 24, 2015 07:22
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Yeah, the refugee stuff in particular has really drawn out some of the most craven and self-serving bullshit in some of my fundie relatives. Had a short exchange with a cousin's in-law on facebook where he defended turning away Syrian refugees with "I already give to charity and helping refugees would just be really hard, you guys. Jesus didn't help everyone in the world so why should I? Also, would this country be better if it was 50 percent muslim?" I ignored the last bit because it was a breathless non-sequitor and just asked him to cite chapter and verse on Jesus turning away those who actively came to him for help. Silence. To be fair, I've also seen a not-insignificant number of otherwise pretty conservative christian acquaintances express serious distaste for all the anti-refugee sentiment - enough to be just a bit of a pleasant surprise.
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Dec 24, 2015 07:45
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Spiritus Nox posted:To be fair, I've also seen a not-insignificant number of otherwise pretty conservative christian acquaintances express serious distaste for all the anti-refugee sentiment - enough to be just a bit of a pleasant surprise. One thing that is causing major, major problems for the GOP is that since the far right has been taking over and saying "we must always be further to the right. If you disagree then you are wrong" they've been losing support. It's getting to the point that even long-term conservatives who haven't voting anything other than all R all the time are finding the party too extreme. I know a fair number of people whose attitude right now is "who the gently caress do I vote for?" A lot of them just plain won't vote Democrat ever but a lot of them are so utterly fed up with the current state of the GOP that they can't stomach voting for them either. I think this is why there is so much outsider cred right now; Trump and Bernie are the two leading candidates and neither of them came out of the party they're running for. Americans as a whole are overall pretty disgusted with how American politics have been going and want new ideas. In particular the GOP has been targeting religious fundamentalists and angry, scared, old white people. Those demographics are running the show but are also in the decline and the GOP knows it.
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/12/22/foxs-todd-starnes-the-war-on-christmas-is-reall/207684 Complains about people who are easily offended, immediately segues to "war on Christmas." 
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Dec 24, 2015 09:33
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Pope Guilty posted:Also the context of that quote is "Don't let people who pretend to be preachers but accomplish nothing take advantage of you" soooooo Also, the line is "he who is not willing to work should not eat." It can in no way justify allowing the unemployed to starve unless you believe everyone without a job is just too lazy to work this is what conservatives actually believe.
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Dec 24, 2015 09:37
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ToxicSlurpee posted:My experience was basically the opposite. Except for the highest-ranking psychiatrist I dealt with and one nurse practitioner everybody was there to help people get better. The other thing is that if you found a therapist that doesn't work well for you for literally any reason at all you can say "I want a new therapist." If that rubbed you the wrong way then you can pick up somebody else. Hell one of the first things I got told when I was getting therapy was "you can change therapists any time. If this first one we give you doesn't work we'll find you a new one." I lucked out and got a really good one. I'm a therapeutic massage therapist and yeah, you're basically right. There are some therapists who are great and actively want you to get better, and there are some who are just in it for the job. The secondary group aren't necesarily any less knowledgeable or skilled than the first but in any group of professionals there's going to be differences in approach to the job. You just have to keep looking until you find someone that suits you or until you realize that certain type of therapy might just not be for you. I like to think I'm part of the first group in that I really enjoy the satisfaction of helping people feel better and manage pain and stress, and I try to be honest when advising people how often I feel like they should see me based on where they're at physically, mentally and financially. But the therapeutic mindset can work as a mask. For me it helps if I'm just not feeling it that day until I can get into the flow of things. For some people their entire career is just a facade to make money. And like any facade, if you're good enough at promoting it and selling it you can reel people in for the long term. I don't deal with any of the pseudoscience stuff that floats around massage therapy (acupressure, cranio-sacral, lymph massage, energy work like reiki etc) but I have colleagues who do and it's pretty widely looked down on in massage therapy communities to actively discredit that stuff to clients. Instead I just try to present what I think is actually provably beneficial as opposed to creating some floaty idea of what can be accomplished.
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://louderwithcrowder.com/was-jesus-a-liberal-the-myth-debunked/#.VntifxUrLIU The best part about the saying the Bible teaches that if a man doesn't work, he doesn't eat as it's 180 degrees from what's actually written. St Paul did write that, but it was a set of instructions to his men that, even though they have the right to food without work, that they would work for their food so that the gossips in town wouldn't say "those Christians do nothing but talk and eat." Paul absolutely confirmed the idea that people have a right to help without strings attached. It goes back to the parable about the man who hired workers at morning, noon, and afternoon, them paid them all the same amount. People think that if they're Christians for a longer part of their life than other people that they'll get a better part of heaven, when Jesus explained that the reward is the same for all, regardless of how long you've been a believer. The right-wing version of the faith wants to be able to look down on those who it deems as sinners and unworthy and to think that they're better than the rest of us, when Jesus explicitly stated otherwise. People haven't changed in 2000 years and I doubt they ever will. 2 Thessalonians 6-10 posted:6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” Armyman25 fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Dec 24, 2015 |
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Klaus88 posted:All this religion drama makes me happy that I was raised and identify as a (very unobservant) Methodist. During my teen years my family went to a small local baptist church where the pastor was a kickass black fella who gave the most firebrand sermons, but they were usually about things like how you should help each other and not judge rather than the gays were all going to hell and whatnot. Sadly I was in my 'lolreligion' phase at that point in my life so I never interacted with him much, but he did remarry my mother and step-father together, but he relocated to a town half the state away a few years back Last I heard of him though via social media he was happily marrying gay couples after the ruling this past summer. 
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Spiritus Nox posted:To be fair, I've also seen a not-insignificant number of otherwise pretty conservative christian acquaintances express serious distaste for all the anti-refugee sentiment - enough to be just a bit of a pleasant surprise. There's actually a very heavy divide in the evangelical movement because they don't really like saying "gently caress the poor" but they're forced to due to their entangled alliances. It probably won't force them to switch who they vote for, but it might just force a disengagement from politics entirely. Remember that Evangelicals have only really been part of politics for about 40 years, and they can go away as fast as they came.
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computer parts posted:There's actually a very heavy divide in the evangelical movement because they don't really like saying "gently caress the poor" but they're forced to due to their entangled alliances. Evangelicals have only been a voting bloc since around the Reagan era, but I wouldn't say they "hadn't been involved in politics." It's not like they were discouraged from voting. There was even an evangelical president right before, but instead of being proud of him conservatives routinely call him one of the worst presidents ever.
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I think the other problem is that we're hearing christian talking points from a man that has done things like assault a man, and then mocked people's looks. (The Transgender video where he compares them to "monsters") Both of those actions are not very christ-like. Granted, all fall short of the glory of God, but still. Jurgan posted:Also, the line is "he who is not willing to work should not eat." It can in no way justify allowing the unemployed to starve unless you believe everyone without a job is just too lazy to work this is what conservatives actually believe. He kind of implies those that are in poor financial straits are there because they willed themselves to that point. So if you're in debt or poor? It's your fault and you're not christ-like  That entire argument doesn't make sense when one looks at a good portion of people in this country that are in debt due to illness or any number of things they really have no control over. My father for example went in debt thousands of dollars in order to try to keep my mother and younger brother alive. Does this suddenly make him a "bad" christian via Crowder's definition? It's just idiocy.
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Kitfox88 posted:During my teen years my family went to a small local baptist church where the pastor was a kickass black fella who gave the most firebrand sermons, but they were usually about things like how you should help each other and not judge rather than the gays were all going to hell and whatnot. Sadly I was in my 'lolreligion' phase at that point in my life so I never interacted with him much, but he did remarry my mother and step-father together, but he relocated to a town half the state away a few years back My GF's church pastor tells people that if they hate gays then they might as well stop coming to his church. It's nice once in a while to see religious people actually practice what they preach
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beatlegs posted:Uh, isn't the will of the people expressed through the federal government? Or am I not understanding democracy? Many right wingers literally choose to not understand what government is. They view "the government" as this amorphous entity that looms overhead like the space ships from Independence Day. This is also why they love to complain about how awful the government is at everything it does despite being 50% conservative at the very least and sometimes even majorly conservative. There is a huge disconnect with reality. Armyman25 posted:The best part about the saying the Bible teaches that if a man doesn't work, he doesn't eat as it's 180 degrees from what's actually written. St Paul did write that, but it was a set of instructions to his men that, even though they have the right to food without work, that they would work for their food so that the gossips in town wouldn't say "those Christians do nothing but talk and eat." Even more telling is that right wingers are hinging on the words of Paul much more so that the words of Christ (even though they are misinterpreting Paul's words as well.) Most right wingers should really just call themselves Paulians or something, since they seem much more interested in the letters attributed to him rather than the words actually attributed to Christ.
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computer parts posted:There's actually a very heavy divide in the evangelical movement because they don't really like saying "gently caress the poor" but they're forced to due to their entangled alliances. The split is between evangelicals and the rest of Christianity. My experience with evangelicals has been that they're basically fasicsts wrapped up in an American flag and brandishing a cross. The current evangelical religious right goes back to some hardcore Puritanical beliefs that teach things like "charity is bad." The belief is that you should cut off welfare to force people to help themselves for their own good. Which is really the worst part of it all; they genuinely believe they're actually helping people by refusing to help them.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The split is between evangelicals and the rest of Christianity. My experience with evangelicals has been that they're basically fasicsts wrapped up in an American flag and brandishing a cross. The current evangelical religious right goes back to some hardcore Puritanical beliefs that teach things like "charity is bad." The belief is that you should cut off welfare to force people to help themselves for their own good. These types and the prosperity gospel types I don't see going anywhere anytime soon. There might be some moderate evangelical types who might start pulling out, but I think a huge portion are so fundamentally broken that they will gladly stick around and support the insanity.
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Fried Watermelon posted:My GF's church pastor tells people that if they hate gays then they might as well stop coming to his church. When I moved and was looking for a new church, I checked the websites and made sure to choose one that was welcoming to LGBT people. Eh, maybe. It's kind of true that the term "assault weapon" has very little meaning, and I assume that's what he's getting at. As far as I can tell, it's a political term rather than a technical one.
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ToastyPotato posted:These types and the prosperity gospel types I don't see going anywhere anytime soon. There might be some moderate evangelical types who might start pulling out, but I think a huge portion are so fundamentally broken that they will gladly stick around and support the insanity. They're a declining demographic. Aside from the fact that Christianity is on the decline in America the demographic is also extremely white which is going to end up becoming a minority. They're also often middle to upper class which is also a shrinking demographic. It's also becoming increasingly apparent that the policies they support just float out don't work as promised. For a long time the prosperity gospel was telling people to let the rich have more money while simultaneously saying "tithe generously to this church." It never paid off for anybody except the man on the TV so now people are looking for different answers. The man on the TV is panicking because everybody else finally saw through the scam but all he knows how to do is run his scam. Now that everybody knows it's just a single, expansive con they're saying "gently caress off."
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Jurgan posted:Evangelicals have only been a voting bloc since around the Reagan era, but I wouldn't say they "hadn't been involved in politics." It's not like they were discouraged from voting. There was even an evangelical president right before, but instead of being proud of him conservatives routinely call him one of the worst presidents ever. Carter is the one that brought them into the limelight in the first place.
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computer parts posted:Carter is the one that brought them into the limelight in the first place. Actually, a lot of them were active during the sixties in opposing integration and communism. There were other issues like opposing evolution and all of the civil religion they pushed for in the fifties ("one nation under God" in the pledge, "In God We Trust" on money, the National Day of Prayer, etc.). But it was guys like Francis Schaeffer in the eighties who convinced them that abortion was a deadly sin on par with slavery, and that's what really created the modern version of the religious right. Up until then, abortion was a Catholic issue, and most evangelicals didn't see it as a big deal, morally speaking.
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Jurgan posted:Actually, a lot of them were active during the sixties in opposing integration and communism. There were other issues like opposing evolution and all of the civil religion they pushed for in the fifties ("one nation under God" in the pledge, "In God We Trust" on money, the National Day of Prayer, etc.). But it was guys like Francis Schaeffer in the eighties who convinced them that abortion was a deadly sin on par with slavery, and that's what really created the modern version of the religious right. Up until then, abortion was a Catholic issue, and most evangelicals didn't see it as a big deal, morally speaking. My great aunt and uncle were ejected from their church way back when. Why? Because they suggested integration and letting African-Americans into their church. Then again, they're also the only baptists I know who don't drink, don't smoke, all that poo poo that you're not supposed to do and that you see baptists preaching but not practicing.
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Jurgan posted:Actually, a lot of them were active during the sixties in opposing integration and communism. There were other issues like opposing evolution and all of the civil religion they pushed for in the fifties ("one nation under God" in the pledge, "In God We Trust" on money, the National Day of Prayer, etc.). But it was guys like Francis Schaeffer in the eighties who convinced them that abortion was a deadly sin on par with slavery, and that's what really created the modern version of the religious right. Up until then, abortion was a Catholic issue, and most evangelicals didn't see it as a big deal, morally speaking. Things done with a religious motive doesn't mean that Evangelicals were pushing them. It just means that America in general was explicitly Christian.
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Jurgan posted:
It's exactly that. In my state "assault weapon" includes among other things pistols over a certain weight, regardless of their other properties.
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Kitfox88 posted:During my teen years my family went to a small local baptist church where the pastor was a kickass black fella who gave the most firebrand sermons, but they were usually about things like how you should help each other and not judge rather than the gays were all going to hell and whatnot. Sadly I was in my 'lolreligion' phase at that point in my life so I never interacted with him much, but he did remarry my mother and step-father together, but he relocated to a town half the state away a few years back Honestly? Write him a letter. It'll make his day and people like that are worth reconnecting with.
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