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Squalitude posted:My SWTFAIIMM was that the megalaserbeam from the planet was described as being at super hyperspeed but the people on the planet that it was blasting were able to see the laser even though the destructive part of the beam must have been travelling faster than the light it produced. Also you could see the laser from across space instantaneously, when it would have taken the light a long time to travel between star systems. I'd like to think that in the star wars universe light speed is pretty much infinite (and Han Solo was talking bs when he bragged about his ship going .5 past light speed). My IIMM was the part where Han Solo was going to fly through the shields at light speed, putting on the brakes at just the right time by hand. Guy's got dammed good timing.
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BrigadierSensible posted:I just watched the last of the Harry Potter films and something struck me. It is entirely Euro-centric. Voldemort apparemntly is the most powerful wizard in the world, and wants to take over the world etc. but everything happens in England. And in the previous books/movies no-one really gives half a poo poo about any wizards outside of Europe. (The tri-wizard cup is between an English school, a French school and a *boo hiss* generic Eastern European school. The Quidditch WC final is Ireland vs Bulgaria). Even assuming that Voldemort would take England, then Europe and then the world, surely the rest of the world would send help to the goodie wizards to stop him. But they aren't even mentioned. This is one of the reasons I think the books get increasingly worse. Voldemort is introduced as this dark lord of magic, mysterious and powerful and eventually it's revealed that he is basically just Oswald Mosley.
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Dec 28, 2015 01:30
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e X posted:This is one of the reasons I think the books get increasingly worse. Voldemort is introduced as this dark lord of magic, mysterious and powerful and eventually it's revealed that he is basically just Oswald Mosley. It's also pretty hard to take him seriously as a threat when any jackass with a gun could take him out if they got the drop on him.
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Dec 28, 2015 01:35
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BrigadierSensible posted:I just watched the last of the Harry Potter films and something struck me. It is entirely Euro-centric. Voldemort apparemntly is the most powerful wizard in the world, and wants to take over the world etc. but everything happens in England. And in the previous books/movies no-one really gives half a poo poo about any wizards outside of Europe. (The tri-wizard cup is between an English school, a French school and a *boo hiss* generic Eastern European school. The Quidditch WC final is Ireland vs Bulgaria). Even assuming that Voldemort would take England, then Europe and then the world, surely the rest of the world would send help to the goodie wizards to stop him. But they aren't even mentioned. America would probably mobilise wizards to help fight voldemort 2-3 years after the UK did, but hes defeated before that.
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Dec 28, 2015 01:37
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Freddles posted:Also you could see the laser from across space instantaneously, when it would have taken the light a long time to travel between star systems. I'd like to think that in the star wars universe light speed is pretty much infinite (and Han Solo was talking bs when he bragged about his ship going .5 past light speed). Well if you could fly at light speed any spaceship would basically be a kinetic energy planet-annihilation bomb, making death stars and whatnot pointless in the first place.
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Dec 28, 2015 02:02
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Force Awakens: I understand that they were really trying to undue the damage that Lucas did with the prequels and consciously didn't have any enormous battles where a bajillion things are flying around and happening all at once, but really, the entire Resistance fleet was comprised of a dozen X-Wings? Even the Rebellion had a couple frigates and maybe a capital ship along with a few squadrons of fighters and at least one squadron of bombers. Some Y-Wings would have been really useful in the attack on the Flux Capacitor or whatever the gently caress it was. And really, the First Order spends between two and three decades training their Stormtroopers and can't spring for environmentally sealed armor? I sure hope they never have to attack a planet that doesn't have an earth-like atmosphere or else the First Order is straight hosed. Again, I get that Finn and Rey needed a plausible reason to hide and take out the Stormtroopers they thought were coming, but why not have them just hide and wait to ambush them? You know, exactly like they did in the first movie?! And finally, they really couldn't control the shielding on the critical Macguffin from their primary control center? They also didn't send a whole battalion over there immediately to turn it back on again? Come the gently caress on. Finally-finally the Yoda lady alien had buttholes for eyes. She had two puckered sphincter son her face and JJ knew it. He knew it and he still put it in, the man must be stopped. Also BB-8 was cool and good.
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Dec 28, 2015 02:22
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SWTFA The mysterious alien Yoda lady had like the worst loving CG I've seen in years outside of last-gen consoles. Everything up til then was awesome and then suddenly there's this Dreamworks-reject looking motherfucker who's incredibly important?! You gotta be kidding me.
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Dec 28, 2015 02:28
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Don't get me wrong, I thought the Droid was cute, but I felt it was more prominent than necessary. In lieu of product placement, that Droid is what's being sold there. I don't have a huge nostalgia for the original trilogy, but I feel the toy aspect, despite Lucas' stake, was less in your face. I could be wrong since I haven't seen those films too many times.
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Dec 28, 2015 02:34
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Regarding the SWTFA question, You don't need to use the force to use a lightsaber. Han used that same exact one to open up a taun taun on Hoth to shove Luke into. It's seen some poo poo man.
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Dec 28, 2015 02:35
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Non Serviam posted:Don't get me wrong, I thought the Droid was cute, but I felt it was more prominent than necessary. In lieu of product placement, that Droid is what's being sold there. In A New Hope R2D2 was as prominent and fulfilled the same function.
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Dec 28, 2015 02:47
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Regarding the SWTFA question, You don't need to use the force to use a lightsaber. Han used that same exact one to open up a taun taun on Hoth to shove Luke into. It's seen some poo poo man. I meant swordsmanship training. Rey said he was in sanitation and apparently he had a single mission, where he chickened out. Also I hope they'll explain why they dropped the clones.
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Dec 28, 2015 02:51
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Finn obviously wasn't just a janitor considering he was on a combat mission at the start of the movie.
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Dec 28, 2015 02:55
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Non Serviam posted:I meant swordsmanship training. Rey said he was in sanitation and apparently he had a single mission, where he chickened out. Explaining that would require him to acknowledge the prequels exist, which he objectively should not do?
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Dec 28, 2015 02:56
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Krinkle posted:Explaining that would require him to acknowledge the prequels exist, which he objectively should not do? Darth Vader does make a reference to clones though. Edit. The new sith dude.
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Dec 28, 2015 02:59
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Non Serviam posted:I meant swordsmanship training. Rey said he was in sanitation and apparently he had a single mission, where he chickened out. They stated that he has been raised since a kid as part of the First Order. That was his fist combat mission, but he had training all his life
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Dec 28, 2015 03:02
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bobkatt013 posted:They stated that he has been raised since a kid as part of the First Order. That was his fist combat mission, but he had training all his life That makes sense. Thanks!
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Dec 28, 2015 03:23
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Who What Now posted:Force Awakens: I understand that they were really trying to undue the damage that Lucas did with the prequels and consciously didn't have any enormous battles where a bajillion things are flying around and happening all at once, but really, the entire Resistance fleet was comprised of a dozen X-Wings? Even the Rebellion had a couple frigates and maybe a capital ship along with a few squadrons of fighters and at least one squadron of bombers. Some Y-Wings would have been really useful in the attack on the Flux Capacitor or whatever the gently caress it was. It probably wasn't the entire resistance fleet by a long shot. They were scrambling at the last second so they didn't get blown up. This is in contrast to the battle of Endor where they were taking the initiative (or so they thought). As for the armor, I'm sure such stormtroopers do exist, but they're not going to spend that kinda money on chumps. They'd rather use it on the elites.
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Dec 28, 2015 03:39
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RagnarokAngel posted:It probably wasn't the entire resistance fleet by a long shot. They were scrambling at the last second so they didn't get blown up. This is in contrast to the battle of Endor where they were taking the initiative (or so they thought). One of the Resistance control guys mentions that "that's half our fleet down!" when another X-Wing gets blown away during the final battle. As for them putting the shields back up, well, there's not a whole lot of point when the enemy's under it already, is there? At that point, the First Order guys had more important things to worry about. Like the aforementioned X-Wings blowing everything up.
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Dec 28, 2015 05:23
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BrigadierSensible posted:I just watched the last of the Harry Potter films and something struck me. It is entirely Euro-centric. I can't really care about the HP universe but it's refreshing to watch a big-name film that isn't centred around the US for a change, to be honest.
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Dec 28, 2015 05:47
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Esroc posted:It's been almost 40 years and there are people that still don't realize that Star Wars is fantasy not sci-fi. Just replace lasers with magic missles and aliens with demon monsters. It'll save you a lot of irrational headaches. That brings up another somewhat IIMM: Neil loving DeGrasse Tyson chirping about all the science that's wrong in Star Wars. I bet he secretly enjoyed midichlorians used to explain The Force. 
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ChogsEnhour posted:Haha, I was exactly the same watching UTOPIA which is meant to take place in London but it was filmed almost entirely in Liverpool. Wasn't just the small things like, "Hey, I live next to that duck pond!" But shots done atop buildings with a view of the skyline and it's just Liverpool! Android Bicyclist posted:That brings up another somewhat IIMM: Neil loving DeGrasse Tyson chirping about all the science that's wrong in Star Wars. I bet he secretly enjoyed midichlorians used to explain The Force. CannonFodder has a new favorite as of 07:18 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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CannonFodder posted:Us Yanks won't notice that the skyline is Liverpool, but we might notice that it's not London because of the lack of Big Ben tower and Tower Bridge and whatever the Royal castle is named and maybe the big pickle. To establish a place the film makers have to include obvious landmarks. Yes. It moves from system to system destroying stars.
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Polaron posted:One of the Resistance control guys mentions that "that's half our fleet down!" when another X-Wing gets blown away during the final battle. They pretty clearly mean the attacking fleet, come the gently caress on. There's plenty of IIMMs in the new movie without getting stupidly pedantic about it.
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Krinkle posted:I remember being excited on principal that a new star wars was coming out. I saw all the trailers. Lightsabers. That guy looks mean. Ships flying around. They cut those trailers so tight to make us think we were getting what we wanted. Jar jar was not in a trailer. Not at all. Sadly this wasn't true, you just got lucky. Way back in '99, I remember watching a trailer that introduced Jar Jar doing dumb slapstick with a voiceover like "Have you ever had a friend who was a little... different?" I can't find the trailer on youtube, but I distinctly remember the sinking feeling when I realized Phantom Menace wouldn't be cool or good. My Force Awakens IIMM: unless I missed something, they signal the X-Wing squadrons that the shield is down and it's safe to attack Starkiller Base. When Poe receives the signal, he's already in hyperspace en route to the planet, and he drops to sublight immediately. How could that possibly have been timed right? If Solo and Finn took five more seconds to drop the planetary shield, the X-Wings would be halfway across the star system, pointed in the wrong direction.
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It is abundantly clear that the answer to many of these stupid questions is [technology] in Star Wars does not work like you think it does/should. "Lightspeed" is probably slang for whatever hyperspace bypass they're in. They might be able to just park and wait in there, you don't loving know, and it's extremely good that they don't even try to explain most of it.
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Dec 28, 2015 12:45
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Android Bicyclist posted:That brings up another somewhat IIMM: Neil loving DeGrasse Tyson chirping about all the science that's wrong in Star Wars. I bet he secretly enjoyed midichlorians used to explain The Force. NDT is an irrationally irritating life moment.
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Ryoshi posted:They pretty clearly mean the attacking fleet, come the gently caress on. There's plenty of IIMMs in the new movie without getting stupidly pedantic about it. I was just pointing out where people may have gotten the idea that the Resistance was only three X-Wing squadrons. 
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Ryoshi posted:They pretty clearly mean the attacking fleet, come the gently caress on. There's plenty of IIMMs in the new movie without getting stupidly pedantic about it. I still wouldn't have called it a fleet. When I hear fleet I think of multiple larger ships, not a group of single-pilot fighters. And this could have been solved with a simple line during the planning of the attack along the lines of "Why don't have time to get our cruisers and battleships in position for the attack, we'll have to make do with Red and Blue squadrons".
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Trent posted:It is abundantly clear that the answer to many of these stupid questions is [technology] in Star Wars does not work like you think it does/should. Yep. "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." There you go, you can do whatever you want now and it doesn't have to conform to our expected rules of science and technology.
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Force Awakens: My biggest issue was... did they blow up Coruscant?!? That's kinda a huge loving deal. And... I'm not even sure if they did or not. They fire the big world destroying laser at several planets at once, we see a quick reaction shot of people on some planet, maybe Coruscant, getting blown up, and that's it. Pretty huge moment in the plot of the film and it was really bungled. Coruscant is one of the biggest, most important planets in the history of Star Wars. Destroying it is A BIG loving DEAL. You need to kinda like, spend a minute on that. And also you should probably make it clear? Did that even happen? Was it some other highly technological society? They just mentioned that it was the rebellion kinda offhand and that's all we find out. Not nearly enough information or time spent on it. By comparison, in A New Hope when they go to test out the Death Star, we've never seen Alderaan before or even heard of it. But we don't need to. All we need to know is what we can see in Leia's reaction, the way she looks shocked when Gran Moff Tarkin is like "Dantoine is too remote, but we'll deal with your rebel friends later", you feel the dread in Leia. And when the planet blows up, you see her slump down in defeat, and then we even cut away to Obi-Wan saying "A great disturbance in the force, like as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened". Which is loving iconic. It really hits home how deadly the Death Star really is, the concept of a weapon that can destroy entire worlds. They could have had a cool moment where Leia said the same quote, "I fear something terrible has happened", right when the rebellion gets blown up by starkiller base. She's force-sensitive so she could take over the role of Obi-Wan here, plus she was the original witness to the destruction of Alderaan. Supposedly in the original cut of the film Leia had some secret agent working for her in the rebellion planet (which I guess isn't actually Coruscant? So that's a huge cock-up confusion. Which planet is it? We've never even heard its name!) and her agent gets blown up and I guess that would have given at least SOME weight to the thing, but they edited it out. Force Awakens' starkiller base doesn't remotely get the impact of the death star as a result, it isn't built up enough. And in the end of force awakens when the heroes blow up starkiller base, it feels forced and cheesy. Like of course they have to blow something up because the death star got blown up at the end of a new hope. They're just copying the same beats. It doesn't feel like a big deal the way it did back in A New Hope. They didn't earn it enough. They didn't build up the base as being significantly deadly enough. When Poe said that he had to do the trench run, I actually had to roll my eyes, because of course. Because A New Hope did it. They kinda copied Episode IV a little TOO much, but oh well, playing it safe I guess. loving loved the film though overall. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 17:21 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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Zaphod42 posted:Force Awakens: My biggest issue was... did they blow up Coruscant?!? That's kinda a huge loving deal. And... I'm not even sure if they did or not. They fire the big world destroying laser at several planets at once, we see a quick reaction shot of people on some planet, maybe Coruscant, getting blown up, and that's it. It wasnt Coruscant.
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KoB posted:It wasnt Coruscant. Yeah I know. Zaphod42 posted:(which I guess isn't actually Coruscant? So that's a huge cock-up confusion. Which planet is it? We've never even heard its name!) The whole point though is how stupid it could be to have such a major thing be so ambiguous.
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My PYFIIMMIIM is when Zaphod42 didn't use block spoilers for his huge rant that went over the same point at least three times and instead individually spoiler tagged every paragraph. My IIMM: In The Avengers the Hulk never punches one of those big snake things so in the head so hard that the head caves in and shoots down the length of the body with explosions everywhere. I really wanted that, dammit!
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Dec 28, 2015 19:55
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Zaphod42 posted:The whole point though is how stupid it could be to have such a major thing be so ambiguous. They tell you what system was destroyed by name. The name isn't Coruscant. That's not ambiguous.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:09
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AnonSpore posted:My PYFIIMMIIM is when Zaphod42 didn't use block spoilers for his huge rant that went over the same point at least three times and instead individually spoiler tagged every paragraph. Isn't that the first thing he does in New York
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Isn't that the first thing he does in New York He punches a snake thing really hard, but the head shooting down the body thing doesn't happen.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:20
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Oh I see. Well now I'm upset it didn't happen.
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AnonSpore posted:My PYFIIMMIIM is when Zaphod42 didn't use block spoilers for his huge rant that went over the same point at least three times and instead individually spoiler tagged every paragraph. Originally I didn't spoil the middle bit about A New Hope so it made sense to spoil tag the other bits individually, then I went back and edited in a spoiler tag in case somebody draws conclusions about what is in Force Awakens based on the things I referenced in A New Hope and gets pissy about spoilers.   Phanatic posted:They tell you what system was destroyed by name. The name isn't Coruscant. That's not ambiguous. So what was the name then? If you don't even remember then it was badly explained 
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BB-8 explains it several times, if you were a real fan you would have brought your luminescent decoder ring from 1984 and could translate, or maybe you just thought he was a stupid droid, you racist piece of poo poo.
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The only thing I remember is them saying that they were blowing up the galactic senate, which used to be on Coruscant and we literally see it on Coruscant in the prequel films, hence my saying its confusing and ambiguous. It makes sense the galactic senate could be somewhere else years and years later, but they spend zero time setting up the new planet.darkhand posted:BB-8 explains it several times, if you were a real fan you would have brought your luminescent decoder ring from 1984 and could translate, or maybe you just thought he was a stupid droid, you racist piece of poo poo. Actually he was telling you to drink more ovaltine!
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