MoR is not good for fanfic unless your definition is percentage-based. Is it in the top 1%? Probably. Among fanfics that aren't word salad generated by teenagers, i.e. the ones that people actually read? It's bottom-tier poo poo.
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 05:47 |
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Jazerus posted:MoR is not good for fanfic unless your definition is percentage-based. Is it in the top 1%? Probably. Among fanfics that aren't word salad generated by teenagers, i.e. the ones that people actually read? It's bottom-tier poo poo. I'm genuinely curious as to what works of fanfiction you would consider not "bottom tier poo poo".
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 06:16 |
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GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:I'm genuinely curious as to what works of fanfiction you would consider not "bottom tier poo poo". The Midrash. All those stories about Abraham smashing idols and Moses chewing hot coal as a child? Straight-up fanfic written by rabbis to expand on and explain details from the Torah. A vital part of Jewish theology, written across centuries by dozens of rabbis, many of whom never met each other, often building or commenting on each other's stories. It's fanfiction. (On a more personal note, I have a fic up that I consider "not bottom tier poo poo", but it's waaaay off-topic for this thread, because it's for Naruto, not Harry Potter.)
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 06:36 |
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GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:I'm genuinely curious as to what works of fanfiction you would consider not "bottom tier poo poo". I wrote a list earlier in thread of Harry Potter fanfic. Here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3702281&userid=186847#post452483874
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 10:27 |
GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:I'm genuinely curious as to what works of fanfiction you would consider not "bottom tier poo poo".
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 10:35 |
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GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:I'm genuinely curious as to what works of fanfiction you would consider not "bottom tier poo poo". To move away from Harry Potter for a bit, there's a stellar Portal fanfiction called Blue Sky that is top-tier: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7434133/1/Blue-Sky I recommend it to everyone when they ask me about fanfic.
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 13:11 |
GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:I'm genuinely curious as to what works of fanfiction you would consider not "bottom tier poo poo". Well, I have already recommended The Arithmancer but it's worth doing again. Harry Potter and the Natural 20 is a lot of fun if you've played D&D. Oh God, Not Again! is a comedy where Harry's sent back in time to the beginning of the series and decides to short-circuit the plot. This is a common premise for serious fics, most of which are dreck, but this pulls it off really well as a comedy. If you like this story, A Black Comedy might be a good followup. It's in the same vein if a bit more of a parody of fanfiction cliches rather than the books. Opinions vary on The Merging but I like it and it's very well-written. Dan Granger is a story I haven't read in a while but I remember being very good. Hermione's parents' dental practice is attacked by the Death Eaters, and this leads Hermione's father to take a much more active interest in the war against Voldemort. Out of The Iron Rose's list, I would strongly recommend Applied Cultural Anthropology and Forging the Sword. There are a lot of stories better than MoR but these are some of the standouts. Oh, and outside of HP, The Game of Champions is Pokemon narrated in Kingkiller Chronicle style, except Red is actually a cool main character instead of a useless jackass like Kvothe. The world-building and attention to detail here are superb. Traveler sticks more closely to the games and anime but is also really good. I'm pretty sure that literally every other Pokemon fic is way below MoR-tier bad but these two are excellent. I thought Ned Stark Lives! had a better plot than GRRM's actual books if I remember correctly but I haven't read it in a long time. Jazerus fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 17:08 |
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GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:I'm genuinely curious as to what works of fanfiction you would consider not "bottom tier poo poo". If you're into the Vorkosigan Saga, Aral Vorkosigan's Dog is a retelling of Shards Of Honor entirely from Simon Illyan's viewpoint, and much of the AO3 Vorkosigan section is actually surprisingly good, rarely dipping below "ehh ok" - pick favourite authors. For Worm, as I've noted, start at Cenotaph. Part 2, Wake, is even better. A Study In Emerald is Sherlock Holmes x Cthulhu, but it's by Neil Gaiman so it's proper literature (even though I think even he's acknowledged it's really a crossover fanfic).
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 17:49 |
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Death Bot posted:"it's pretty good for a fanfic. the author only mentions rape for one excruciatingly long scene, and i don't think it comes up again in their other work, at least not as far as i've seen" Ah but it does.
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 18:07 |
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Reading and laughing my rear end off. Also, being creeped out by the suggestions being thrown at the author. Yuck.
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# ? Dec 27, 2015 18:17 |
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HIJK posted:To move away from Harry Potter for a bit, there's a stellar Portal fanfiction called Blue Sky that is top-tier: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7434133/1/Blue-Sky I recommend it to everyone when they ask me about fanfic. Jazerus posted:Oh, and outside of HP, The Game of Champions is Pokemon narrated in Kingkiller Chronicle style, except Red is actually a cool main character instead of a useless jackass like Kvothe. The world-building and attention to detail here are superb. Traveler sticks more closely to the games and anime but is also really good. I'm pretty sure that literally every other Pokemon fic is way below MoR-tier bad but these two are excellent. divabot posted:If you're into the Vorkosigan Saga, Aral Vorkosigan's Dog is a retelling of Shards Of Honor entirely from Simon Illyan's viewpoint, and much of the AO3 Vorkosigan section is actually surprisingly good, rarely dipping below "ehh ok" - pick favourite authors. Well I guess the field is wide open for non-Harry Potter fics now, so I'll reveal my sad weeaboo status and recommend Naruto fanfics: White Rain: Itachi had two illegitimate children before dying. Now they get to attempt to live up to his legacy, while dealing with their mother's own dark, secretive legacy, while their uncle Sasuke hates them for being a living reminder of everything he lost. It's finished, and the author's now working on getting their first original work properly published. Dance the silence down to morning: "Obito is used to being no good. He’s used to trying and failing and trying again, progressing by inches while everyone around him is bounding forward. He’s thirteen, hardly an Uchiha at all, too weak, too clumsy, too bad at jutsus. But now there's something in his head, something filled with hurt and tempered rage, and the most chilling part is that it’s him." A Different World: Yes I'm recommending my own fic. This is my attempt at reconstructing Naruto from the ground-up by rejecting the lovely parts of canon (which is most of it at this point—seriously, by the end of the series Kishimoto was spitting out worse ideas than a lot of fanfic writers, and executing them about as competently*) and all the lovely ideas inexplicably popular with the fandom (which is most of them). Worldbuilding is given more than thirty seconds of thought and female characters actually goddamn matter. I might as well pitch a Legend of Zelda fic while I'm at it: Zelda Don't Be Racist. Princess Zelda gets sent off to live with the Gerudo for "cultural education" after making some astonishingly racist judgments about Gandondorf. There is comedy, but of the culture clash variety; it's otherwise a serious attempt to grapple with the Zelda series treating Gandondorf and the Gerudo as racist caricatures (e.g. "These dark-skinned people from the desert are evil because reasons. Please ignore their legitimate grievances."). *For the final battle, Tobi, who'd been claiming to be the legendary Madara, is revealed to be... Kakashi's supposedly-dead ex-teammate Obito. And he's the final villain! Wait no, Black Zetsu turned out to be an agent of Madara and forced Obito to resurrect Madara, who is the actual final villain! Wait, no, Black Zetsu was merely pretending to serve Madara, and is actually an agent of... a powerful space alien neither the audience nor the characters in-story have ever heard of, who takes over Madara's body and is the true final villain! I am not kidding, this is all canon. Curvature of Earth fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Dec 27, 2015 |
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Jazerus posted:Oh God, Not Again! is a comedy where Harry's sent back in time to the beginning of the series and decides to short-circuit the plot. This is a common premise for serious fics, most of which are dreck, but this pulls it off really well as a comedy. Is this ongoing or complete? If ongoing, is it still being updated or does it look like it's been abandoned?
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 01:59 |
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Tiggum posted:Is this ongoing or complete? If ongoing, is it still being updated or does it look like it's been abandoned? Complete.
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 02:50 |
Tiggum posted:Is this ongoing or complete? If ongoing, is it still being updated or does it look like it's been abandoned? Most of the stories in that post are still being actively written, but both of the HP comedy fics have been complete for years.
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 03:11 |
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JosephWongKS fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Dec 30, 2015 |
# ? Dec 28, 2015 04:44 |
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*bonghit* word up man
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 06:12 |
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If we're going no holds barred with the fanfic discussion, I'm gonna recommend Inter Nos, which is essentially Roman historical fiction with a thin veneer of anime lesbians covering it to attract a wider audience. The protagonists are from Mai Hime but really it covers like a dozen major works just in the primary cast and has a lot of minor characters from anything and everything you can think of. It's very good but can be dense at times, particularly during the parts where large-scale battle or preparations for said battles are not happening in the forefront, and is obscenely long at just over a million words and not yet finished. Senatorial politicking is absolutely the best part of the story, and a lot of the characters have been adapted well for what it is. I'm probably not great at selling it, but I can confidently say it's one of the most well-written pieces of fiction I've read in my life, and I'm a very prolific reader. It also does the Worm thing where the protagonist will be doing some insanely hosed up poo poo that is described totally normally from their perspective, because they are insane. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Dec 28, 2015 |
# ? Dec 28, 2015 06:13 |
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Err, maybe I'm missing something, but where did this rock come from?
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 09:04 |
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Curvature of Earth posted:I might as well pitch a Legend of Zelda fic while I'm at it: Zelda Don't Be Racist. Princess Zelda gets sent off to live with the Gerudo for "cultural education" after making some astonishingly racist judgments about Gandondorf. There is comedy, but of the culture clash variety; it's otherwise a serious attempt to grapple with the Zelda series treating Gandondorf and the Gerudo as racist caricatures (e.g. "These dark-skinned people from the desert are evil because reasons. Please ignore their legitimate grievances."). Part two is the perfect cap to the entirely humorous but still serious part one by flipping the entire thing on its head into one long (short) comedy.
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 10:13 |
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JosephWongKS posted:Chapter 17 – Locating the HypothesisPart Nineteen Uh, you skipped a big chunk of chapter there. As dumbfounding as the rock is, it's even more so if you skip the part where Dumbledore talks about it.
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 11:45 |
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The nice part is that once you've read the whole thing, everything Dumbledore says here makes perfect sense, from his point of view.
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 13:25 |
If you managed to read the whole thing, you're way past "sense".
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 13:38 |
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The first time I read this bit with the rock I assumed Dumbledore was using his status as inscrutable old wizard to troll the gently caress out of Eliezarry.
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# ? Dec 28, 2015 18:31 |
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Turns out I did skip over a part before that. Will be posting the complete version shortly.
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 03:26 |
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Chapter 17 – Locating the Hypothesis Part Nineteen quote:
Looks like blatant insertion of pop culture references to increase the popularity of your work. quote:
To be fair to Dumbledore, if I was a powerful wizard who was somehow forced by circumstances to be stuck spending most of his time on administrative and bureaucratic work, I’d probably also amuse myself by being a cryptic rear end in a top hat to other people. quote:
That’d be my first question too. quote:
Why is Eliezarry suddenly concerned about his fellow students’ opinions? Hasn’t it been shown that he’s consistently acted eccentrically around them and that they are already used to him being eccentric? quote:
I’d be dumbfounded too, to be fair.
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 03:32 |
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Okay I get what he's going for but no. This is not working on any level.
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 05:07 |
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Does Dumbledore's voice just sound really off to anyone else?
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 10:07 |
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I must admit, EY did make this bit - getting Harry to seriously exercise his power to maintain a transfiguration - eventually pay off.
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 13:05 |
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Moddington posted:Does Dumbledore's voice just sound really off to anyone else? 100% agreed. While he doesn't do anything particularly UnDumbledoreish (hell, the Tolkien namedrop would be completely in character for him), there's something about the way he speaks that is way off.
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 13:30 |
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Zonekeeper posted:100% agreed. While he doesn't do anything particularly UnDumbledoreish (hell, the Tolkien namedrop would be completely in character for him), there's something about the way he speaks that is way off. I think it's the way that he's constantly winking-and-nodding at Eliezarry. The writing is so busy trying to be clever that it's not investing the cleverness with meaning or purpose. It's just being clever. It may be set up for later on, I don't know, but even Rowling's wacky Dumbledore had purpose behind everything he did and when he talked about deep subjects he always took it seriously. Sometimes he downplayed the importance of certain things so that he could protect the students' innocence a bit longer (like when he reassures Ginny that "much older and wiser wizards have been hoodwinked by Lord Voldemort" in Chamber of Secrets instead of worrying her further) but he was still very aware of what was going on around him. This dialogue is just lol-random and it doesn't understand the purpose behind the wacky hijinks persona that Dumbledore put on.
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 13:59 |
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HIJK posted:This dialogue is just lol-random and it doesn't understand the purpose behind the wacky hijinks persona that Dumbledore put on. I never really saw Dumbledore's hijinks as particuarly wacky to begin with... nowhere near what Yudkowsky makes of it. I think that's part of why it's so off-putting, it's playing up something that was much better balanced with actual smartness in the original work, while ignoring the latter to a greater degree, exacerbating the issue.
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 14:08 |
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Dumbledore was a lot more random in the first two books ("Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!"), which I expect is why he is here.
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 14:25 |
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Even when Dumbledore is reciting random nonsense words Rowling does it better than Yudkowsky.
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# ? Dec 30, 2015 16:39 |
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Even when Dumbledore is reciting random nonsense words Rowling does it better than Yudkowsky. Well, Rowling being a much more competent writer is something with which I think Yudkowsky will readily agree... at least in public .
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# ? Dec 31, 2015 00:05 |
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In the books he had other poo poo going on and knew more than the reader or the protagonist, but was there with the sage advice when needed. In this, he's being a weird dick but also read lotr. This is what the author thinks incredibly smart people are like: needlessly cryptic and read the same books as him.
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# ? Dec 31, 2015 00:12 |
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Chapter 17 – Locating the Hypothesis Part Twenty quote:
Here it comes. I can feel it coming. quote:
Yup, there it is. “Eliezer’s mouth-piece mode ”, go! Also, is he seriously comparing “carrying a rock” to “potential miscarriage of justice”? quote:
Okay, at least Dumbledore did address the hyperbole of Eliezarry’s analogy.
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# ? Jan 4, 2016 07:19 |
MikeJF posted:Dumbledore was a lot more random in the first two books ("Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!"), which I expect is why he is here.
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# ? Jan 5, 2016 14:14 |
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anilEhilated posted:That's not random, though: he outright stated he's gonna say a couple of words. He stated the exact same thing in HPMor, as well, just following it with different words ("Happy happy boom boom swamp swamp swamp", which I assumed must have been another lame pop culture reference - they weren't, but they are now.) But! Actually, you ignorant simpleton, Dumbledore was making an important point about the divisions that have just been made and the identities these students are about to take on. Shame on Eliezer for failing to capture such basic subtext, tsk tsk tsk. Tsk.
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# ? Jan 5, 2016 22:39 |
NihilCredo posted:But! Actually, you ignorant simpleton, Dumbledore was making an important point about the divisions that have just been made and the identities these students are about to take on. quote:As a good postmodern linguistics professor, Dumbledore notes that the Sorting Hat is the vehicle of the metanarrative or Grand Myth that is the *real* evil of their world and throws out his comic marker for those capable of hearing what was not very well hidden in his short speech. My brain hurts.
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# ? Jan 5, 2016 23:49 |
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The difference is Rowling follows it with words that are uncommon and fanciful, which suggests a deeper intelligence and rich vocabulary of Dumbledore, in addition to his quirkiness. Yudkowsky uses basic words (most of which are mono-syllabic) repeated in a weird off-putting cadence, making Dumbledore sound mentally retarded, or possibly five years old.
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