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Benson Cunningham posted:I'm fine with him getting super robotized too. I mainly just want to avoid the ever common 'hero takes nearly fatal blow and is fine two weeks later' trope. I agree with this. I also like how Finn, not being force-sensitive in any way, still fights with a lightsaber way, way better than Rey did. He does have actual combat training, after all.
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DARPA posted:Still mystified at jj not understanding space. Trek and wars both have the reaction shot to a planet exploding overhead despite being light years apart He's just enjoying the troll - like Lucas in the 'Han Shot First' shirt. On a related note I finally saw Interstellar on Amazon Prime and it s highly recommended. But why didn't they have a system of surveying a planet from orbit before landing? Movie ruined.
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RBA Starblade posted:Father, the Force has awakened! 
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Chakram posted:I agree with this. I also like how Finn, not being force-sensitive in any way, still fights with a lightsaber way, way better than Rey did. He does have actual combat training, after all. I'm thinking Rey will end up using a staff-saber.
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Dec 29, 2015 00:59
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I really enjoyed how pissed every trooper was at Finn and all the traitor stuff. A stormtrooper up and defecting like that is so unprecedented they would all be really loving mad about it.
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Dec 29, 2015 01:09
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I really enjoyed the parallels between the stormtroopers and the Jedi.
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Chakram posted:I agree with this. I also like how Finn, not being force-sensitive in any way, still fights with a lightsaber way, way better than Rey did. He does have actual combat training, after all. I do still think that there are still a few hints that Finn may be a little force sensitive, even if it's more in the manner that Leia is. I could also just be 100% misreading the things I'm thinking of!
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Chakram posted:I agree with this. I also like how Finn, not being force-sensitive in any way, still fights with a lightsaber way, way better than Rey did. He does have actual combat training, after all. I'm still hoping Finn is force sensitive.
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Gorelab posted:I do still think that there are still a few hints that Finn may be a little force sensitive, even if it's more in the manner that Leia is. I could also just be 100% misreading the things I'm thinking of! Maz hands him a Jedi weapon with the expectation that he'd be able to use it.
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Effectronica posted:Maz hands him a Jedi weapon with the expectation that he'd be able to use it. That's part of it. I think if there was nothing there she wouldn't have been like 'Hey use it!'. The other part is that the way the scene where he sees the Starkiller shot streaking across the sky is composed it came off to me as if the screaming was otherworldly and not people in the area screaming. In general it felt a lot like how Obi-wan described the destruction of Alderaan.
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Well you don't really need to have Force abilities to use a laser sword.
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KakerMix posted:I'm still hoping Finn is force sensitive. He doesn't need to be, and it would kinda ruin the way he defected from the empire to carve out his own destiny if it was "the will of the force" all along The only reason he's not chilling out in the outskirts of the galaxy, far from any sort of star war, is due to his own sense of loyalty to his friends Rey on the other hand, is destined whether she likes it or not. She gets rad force powers though, so it evens out that way
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Chakram posted:Well you don't really need to have Force abilities to use a laser sword. Think less literally. Maz offers the weapon to Rey, because she's strong in the Force. She then offers it to Finn, why? Gorelab posted:That's part of it. I think if there was nothing there she wouldn't have been like 'Hey use it!'. The other part is that the way the scene where he sees the Starkiller shot streaking across the sky is composed it came off to me as if the screaming was otherworldly and not people in the area screaming. In general it felt a lot like how Obi-wan described the destruction of Alderaan. Also, when Snoke describes the "awakening", it's before Rey awakens to the Force, and we've had a character who just awoke to the reality of their job and life...
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Effectronica posted:Think less literally. Maz offers the weapon to Rey, because she's strong in the Force. She then offers it to Finn, why? Well, once you take it out of the box it loses a lot of its collector value. Probably just looking to unload it at that point.
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Krowley posted:He doesn't need to be, and it would kinda ruin the way he defected from the empire to carve out his own destiny if it was "the will of the force" all along
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Like I could very well see Finn going another path, but it does feel like there's enough in there on purpose for nerds to argue about.
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lizardman posted:Not that anybody asked, but here's my father's synopsis of Star Wars: The Force Awakens: He's right I've found in life
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Gorelab posted:That's part of it. I think if there was nothing there she wouldn't have been like 'Hey use it!'. The other part is that the way the scene where he sees the Starkiller shot streaking across the sky is composed it came off to me as if the screaming was otherworldly and not people in the area screaming. In general it felt a lot like how Obi-wan described the destruction of Alderaan. That was my read as well. If he does end up being Force sensitive, there are hints which are dropped in this movie. If he's not Force sensitive, there are other reasonable explanations for those things. i.e.: The village slaughter in the opening traumatizes him because he's actually feeling in through the Force and it breaks the conditioning VS it's a hosed up indiscriminate slaughter which just happens to break him out of his conditioning. He hears the screams of those about to die on the Republic worlds VS He hears the screams of those on Takodana who see the Starkiller beam firing through the sky.
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I'm not ready for the internet fallout when the cute and interesting female lead gets the True Hero status hijacked from her in a twist.
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Chakram posted:I'm not ready for the internet fallout when the cute and interesting female lead gets the True Hero status hijacked from her in a twist. Yeah what? How does him being a Jedi too make her any less of a ~True Hero~? She's the one who beat up the Darth Nerder while Finn got spine'd.
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sinking belle posted:I don't mind that name at all and I think it feels authentically star wars-y but yeah after seeing this flick three times "it was snoke There's actually a character from the EU named [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Snoke_Loroan]Snoke[url], who was supposedly a name given to one of the Rebel pilots who made the suicide attack run on the Executor in RotJ (not the A-wing pilot). lizardman posted:Not that anybody asked, but here's my father's synopsis of Star Wars: The Force Awakens: I can see why he'd take Han dying pretty hard. Han's the ultimate player and there's two ways players end, it's either getting married or dying. KakerMix posted:I'm still hoping Finn is force sensitive. I'm actually hoping that they kinda go with the idea that everyone can use the Force and not just people with high midicholorian counts. That seems to be what a lot of people got into the OT, before it turned into the Skywalker family drama, that even moisture farm boys on backwater planets could use this mystical power. poo poo, even the Rebellion used "May the Force be with you" as their motto to get them pumped for the Death Star attack runs, so there's this idea that the Force wasn't just limited to the Jedi in the OT.
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Nessus posted:How would it ruin the way he defected from the First Order? Like cinematically he is the guy who has a big "awakening," right there in the first act, which drives him to do good and accomplish things. It doesn't drive him to do good things, it drove him to run the gently caress away from the First Order. Rey is what drove him to actually fight against the First Order.
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Chakram posted:Yeah, I realize after posting it that that's pretty ridiculous. It's not an unreasonable feeling. Star Wars hasn't always had the best presentation of its female characters.
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Khizan posted:It doesn't drive him to do good things, it drove him to run the gently caress away from the First Order. Rey is what drove him to actually fight against the First Order.
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I really hope they don't make it so Rey turns out to be Luke's daughter. I think that would be so stupid. I just don't see Luke being the type to go around the galaxy knocking people up after Return of the Jedi. I'm kinda hoping she's just some random and not blood related to any of the original characters. Well, maybe not "random" - it seems like she's important I'm just hoping she's not important because of some blood relationship
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Trollipop posted:I really hope they don't make it so Rey turns out to be Luke's daughter. I think that would be so stupid. I just don't see Luke being the type to go around the galaxy knocking people up after Return of the Jedi. I'm kinda hoping she's just some random and not blood related to any of the original characters. Well, maybe not "random" - it seems like she's important I'm just hoping she's not important because of some blood relationship 
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Nessus posted:He stole a TIE Fighter in order to help Poe escape. Yes, he had to run too but he did selflessly aid both Rey and Poe, his goal just wasn't so much "help the principled opposition" as "be a good fellow and get the gently caress away" Pretty sure Finn needed Poe because he was a pilot. Poe was convenient for him at the time.
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Werent the original rumors that one of the new chaarcters would be Luke's ADOPTED daughter. I'd like that twist for Rey. "Rey, I am your caregiver" "NooooooooOOOOOOoooooooooo!!"
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Effectronica posted:Think less literally. Maz offers the weapon to Rey, because she's strong in the Force. She then offers it to Finn, why? "This kid has a boner overload for Rey, if I give him the saber he's sure to follow her around and she'll get it eventually. Or die horribly and she'll pick it up anyway."
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iSheep posted:Pretty sure Finn needed Poe because he was a pilot. Poe was convenient for him at the time. And then he immediately ran into a burning spaceship to try and pull him out. Bad Moon posted:"This kid has a boner overload for Rey, if I give him the saber he's sure to follow her around and she'll get it eventually. Or die horribly and she'll pick it up anyway." "You have a weapon!"
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I don't think there has been any indication Fin can use the force. Maz seemed more concerned with getting the lightsaber back to Luke than anything else. That Rey was clearly a force user seemed a bonus. Unless I'm misremembering. Also, I thought they established Rey as an adequate melee weapons user early on with the staff so it wouldn't be absurd when she beat Kylo, especially in a weakened state. Honestly from what's presented in the movie I thought we were supposed to believe Rey had superior skill to Fin.
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Effectronica posted:It's not an unreasonable feeling. Star Wars hasn't always had the best presentation of its female characters. Lucas totally dubbed a male voice over a female actress playing a Rebel pilot in Return of the Jedi, so you're right, but I expect the current creators to be a lot more mindful these days when it comes to female representation.
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I think she gave it to him because she thought it'd get to Rey. However, if that's ALL she waned I think the scene would have been explicit about that. Her telling him to actually use it comes off as a little weird. He's not trained at all in it, and it doesn't seem like it'd have been hard to find him a blaster.
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Young Freud posted:Lucas totally dubbed a male voice over a female actress playing a Rebel pilot in Return of the Jedi, so you're right, but I expect the current creators to be a lot more mindful these days when it comes to female representation. lol quote:"Anyway, that A-wing pilot is a British woman who was voiced over by an American guy."
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Snoke's final "training" for Ren is going to intentionally get him killed by Rey, who Snoke ultimately wants as his true dark side protege. Rey will become very very bad. Finn will try to stop Luke from killing her, because Finn is in love with her, and will get himself killed in the process. Rey will feel bad and return to the light.
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Kulkasha posted:I hope they go to "everyone can use the force, if they train hard enough/gain deep insight into it" like Kasdan? originally proposed. It's from Lucas in 1977. Some people are more naturally gifted, but anyone can learn how to do it if they are willing.
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