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So does it exchange P/T until EOT, or does it copy P/T until EOT?
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Seems pretty bad to me. He does nothing on its own, requires you to play other better colorless fatties, and even then just becomes a vanilla big guy until end of turn.
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Dec 29, 2015 20:27
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Dungeon Ecology posted:So does it exchange P/T until EOT, or does it copy P/T until EOT?
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Dec 29, 2015 20:29
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You could combine it with phyrexian dreadnought for MaskNought shenanigans but I'm not convinced that's better than actual MaskNought, which no one plays anyway
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Dec 29, 2015 20:29
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Elyv posted:You could combine it with phyrexian dreadnought for MaskNought shenanigans but I'm not convinced that's better than actual MaskNought, which no one plays anyway I'm almost certain it's not because you sort of have to attack with the dreadnought/"dreadnought" at least twice in most situations, and this means you have to jump through an extra hoop since it's only until EOT.
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Dec 29, 2015 20:33
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http://magiccards.info/roe/en/84.html We've already got a card like it at the same cost and it didn't anything particularly abusable.
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Dec 29, 2015 20:35
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If devoid aggro ever becomes a thing then the mimic seems like a good 2-drop alongside Forrunner Of Slaughter. Dust Stalker would let you swing with a pair of 5/3s on turn four which seems good. The deck still needs a lot more toys to compete with Jace-based control decks though.
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Dec 29, 2015 20:36
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JerryLee posted:I'm almost certain it's not because you sort of have to attack with the dreadnought/"dreadnought" at least twice in most situations, and this means you have to jump through an extra hoop since it's only until EOT. Play 'nought, have it become a 12/12, sac it to the 'nought's trigger. Maybe worth it, since it's just 3 easy to make mana?
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Dec 29, 2015 20:38
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JerryLee posted:I'm almost certain it's not because you sort of have to attack with the dreadnought/"dreadnought" at least twice in most situations, and this means you have to jump through an extra hoop since it's only until EOT. Well you should be able to stack the triggers in such a way that you sac eldrazi guy as your 12 power, right? Still stiflenaught with less utility in the second card basically, and no one plays that anymore either
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Dec 29, 2015 20:40
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maybe there's a forgemaster blightsteel combo here.
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Dec 29, 2015 20:49
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Zoness posted:maybe there's a forgemaster blightsteel combo here. It doesn't copy Infect, and if you're slamming a blightsteel like that, it alone should be enough to win the battle.
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Dec 29, 2015 20:54
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It doesn't copy Infect, and if you're slamming a blightsteel like that, it alone should be enough to win the battle. Oh, good point. Man that sucks then  .
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Dec 29, 2015 20:58
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little munchkin posted:If devoid aggro ever becomes a thing then the mimic seems like a good 2-drop alongside Forrunner Of Slaughter. Dust Stalker would let you swing with a pair of 5/3s on turn four which seems good. The deck still needs a lot more toys to compete with Jace-based control decks though. Devoid Aggro is already a thing, it's just not very good yet. A two-drop that turns into a Dust Stalker would absolutely go in the current version of the deck, though that may say more about the quality of the deck than the card.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:03
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endlessmonotony posted:Duels 12 is better than 13, and I haven't seen much disagreement. It has better puzzles and Archenemy instead of the most boring possible implementation of Planechase. Fake game modes that nobody plays are a sorry basis for spending money. 13 has more interesting decks with a variety of ways to build each. If I'm recommending Duels to a starting player, that's way more important than teaching a game mode they will literally never run into IRL.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:04
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Serperoth posted:Play 'nought, have it become a 12/12, sac it to the 'nought's trigger. Maybe worth it, since it's just 3 easy to make mana? Elyv posted:Well you should be able to stack the triggers in such a way that you sac eldrazi guy as your 12 power, right? Still stiflenaught with less utility in the second card basically, and no one plays that anymore either I completely glossed over that interaction  (and may have also forgotten that P-Dizzle went back to being an ETB trigger rather than a replacement effect; I'm not sure exactly what I was thinking).I guess it would depend on what sort of plan B the deck wants to go for. Torpor Orb / Mask / Sundial combos let you run Hunted creatures and such as backup for the dreadnoughts. The new Eldrazi makes those bad but could open up different combos, potentially.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:20
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I like it, it's a 2 drop that will be oversized a lot of the time. I think you can also use it to copy eg Titan's Strength for what it's worth, which could be relevant in a deck with a haste-giver. I kindof like it in that weird modern deck, a lot of the time it will be like a goyf that you can cast off a sol land/for free with an Eye of Ugin.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:22
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Holiday cube is ok it's a shame mtgo sucks
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Dec 29, 2015 21:38
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I like it, it's a 2 drop that will be oversized a lot of the time. I think you can also use it to copy eg Titan's Strength for what it's worth, which could be relevant in a deck with a haste-giver. Yeah. If it sees any use, it will be that. You get to pump whatever just came into play in response to the trigger to effectively get two pumps.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:40
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I like it, it's a 2 drop that will be oversized a lot of the time. I think you can also use it to copy eg Titan's Strength for what it's worth, which could be relevant in a deck with a haste-giver.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:42
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Skyl3lazer posted:Holiday cube is ok it's a shame mtgo sucks this is why the guy should have been playing brain freeze or tendrils
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Dec 29, 2015 21:46
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Skyl3lazer posted:Holiday cube is ok it's a shame mtgo sucks I was gonna say "but he has Bargain out" except lol he only has 3 cards. Oh, and official release of  where Patrick Chapin tries really hard to pretend that Nissa is good and totally worth the $15 preorder his employer is trying to sell her at: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/32123_Oath-Of-The-Gatewatch-Preview-Nissa-Voice-Of-Zendikar.html Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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Dec 29, 2015 21:47
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Mikujin posted:Depending on how the copy ability is phrased it likely will copy base P/T so you won't be able to like cheese big guy + pump spell to make him huge. Nah, it'll copy base power and toughness either way. Layers, man. Layers.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:48
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what's the best site to (MTGO) price check a modern deck?
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Dec 29, 2015 21:50
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Molybdenum posted:what's the best site to (MTGO) price check a modern deck? The site you plan on actually buying the cards from. e: NM, MTGO. mtggoldfish.com is generally reliable and the mtgo economy tends to have less price spread in general anyway if you're buying from a major bot chain.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:51
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Molybdenum posted:what's the best site to (MTGO) price check a modern deck? https://www.mtggoldfish.com https://www.mtgotraders.com
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Dec 29, 2015 21:53
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Ramos posted:http://magiccards.info/roe/en/84.html You could do some vengvine shenanigans with it, but that was about it I think.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:57
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Isn't it an ETB trigger? Why would layers prevent it copying anything? I guess it could look at base stats but that would make it pretty disappointing with Endless One and Hangarback Walker.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:00
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Angry Grimace posted:I was gonna say "but he has Bargain out" except lol he only has 3 cards. She might be an okay Gideon-lite if she was 2G instead of 1GG, but that mana cost is a pretty big punch in the balls for what she brings to the table. She could almost work in the BGx(x) Aristocrats/Rally decks that are bouncing around, but she can't get hit by Collected Company like the flipwalkers and lol if you think they're spending one of their like 5 non-creature spell slots on this. Definitely not worth $15 when Gideon is $20 though.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:01
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I THINK Nissa is bad but I'm not going to make the mistake of underrating cheap costed plainswalkers anymore...
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mcmagic posted:I THINK Nissa is bad but I'm not going to make the mistake of underrating cheap costed plainswalkers anymore... I want to see a planeswalker that gives plainswalk.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:04
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Angry Grimace posted:I was gonna say "but he has Bargain out" except lol he only has 3 cards. I can definintely see her working in a ramp deck that plays out Jaddi Offshoot T1, then another wall t2 (maybe Wall of Mulch reprint or something) that she can sit behind and just pump chumps.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:05
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Isn't it an ETB trigger? Why would layers prevent it copying anything? It depends on what the card actually says, given the various mangled translations. I see some translations saying it copies base power and toughness, which would make it way less good with a lot of things.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:05
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Bugsy posted:You could do some vengvine shenanigans with it, but that was about it I think. Combos with Brothers Yamazaki
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Dec 29, 2015 22:06
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Yawgmoth posted:I think that the last time we saw a plainswalker was in Odyssey. Shadowmoor. The previous one was in Odyssey. My guess is someone was making this exact same sort of joke.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:07
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Yawgmoth posted:I think that the last time we saw a plainswalker was in Odyssey.  This was actually a pretty sweet sideboard card in limited.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:07
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Plainswalk is the funniest ability just because Great Wall exists
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Isn't it an ETB trigger? Why would layers prevent it copying anything? Copy effects only ever look at base stats. They've never done otherwise (Offer not valid pre-6th edition.) All copy effects whatsoever operate at Layer 1. Changes to power and toughness operate at layer 7. The change of the template to "Base power and toughness" wasn't in any way functional, it always worked like that. Tabak et al. just finally figured out a good template to make that intuitive.
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I love stupid durdly token makers, especially if they make saprolings or plants, so I am a big fan of that Nissa and I would love to get one for my Ghave plants/fungus EDH deck. That being said, I think I'll wait on that $15 preorder price. But I could see it being worth it if a green tokens deck showed up that was really solid. She'll be fun in Magic Duels at least.
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Dec 29, 2015 22:12
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Yawgmoth posted:I think that the last time we saw a plainswalker was in Odyssey.  Righteous Avengers was in Masters Edition 1 in 2011, but the most recently-made card with plainswalk is Boggart Arsonist.
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Her uptick looks underwhelming but I think it's actually pretty good for a 3 mana walker. It's relevant protection and value one she starts downticking. I suspect her - may also be pretty good in the context of a heavily midrange standard with some strong token themes.
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