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Geirskogul posted:If your alternator isn't also a bolt-type belt tensioner then you don't understand the glory of multi-tasking brackets for the sake of packaging and engineering Not only that but I have to loosen the pivot bolt too which needs the two piece stone guard removed. Also: quote:Alternator Sounds too much like 
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Wait there are cars that don't use the alternator as a tensioner? 
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Dec 30, 2015 12:09
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some texas redneck posted:That bit me in the rear end myself. Didn't replace the tensioner when it shat out a belt, now anytime I hit a decent puddle the alternator light comes on. *replaces old alternator and serpentine belt* "Hmm....new alternator's squeaking like a motherfucker, I wonder if I got a hold of a bad...........poo poo." *promptly replaces belt tensioner*
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Dec 30, 2015 12:43
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General_Failure posted:Not only that but I have to loosen the pivot bolt too which needs the two piece stone guard removed. Also: That sounds painfully familiar... its either remove the bashplates, which are 3mm steel, or pull the intercooler hoses to get to the adjuster on the alternator. Its a pain in the ring when the bastards stretch in. At least theres twin V belts so they dont tend to slip too often.
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Dec 30, 2015 14:02
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Collateral Damage posted:Wait there are cars that don't use the alternator as a tensioner? My Wrangler has the tensioner on the same bracket, does that count?
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Dec 30, 2015 15:33
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Enourmo posted:buncha scrub rear end "modern car" owners in here relying on springs and whatnot for belt tension what's even better is when the loving tensioner is the power steering pump, and you have to loosen 4 bolts (2 hidden behind brittle plastic fuel line fittings, 1 hidden behind the belt) and then tension the belt using a ~10cm 8mm bolt that's seized to the tensioner block and is very uncomfortable to access and then the loving bolt breaks and none of the parts stores have one because it's a special snowflake bolt This is why I strongly recommend anyone with a jeep 4.0L motor that doesn't use a spring tensioner manage to get their hands on a spare tensioner bolt before they ever touch this mess. The tensioner block is nice to have too, but usually a propane torch, some aerokroil, and a pair of vise grips get the stub out, then you just run an M8x1.25 tap through it to clear the threads out and it's good as new. Subarus are even more retarded, they have the alternator tension the PS/alternator belt and a stupid LEFT HANDED loving THREAD M8x1.25 bolt push the tensioner pulley for the A/C, except it's threaded into a piece of bullshit plastic that snaps in half if you look at it funny so haha gently caress you.
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Dec 30, 2015 15:37
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The spring loaded belt tensioner on the VR6 block has a little ear you can run a bolt through to back the tension off, but if you have a replacement with a housing made of chinesium that ear will snap right off. Fortunately, the bolt through the pulley is left hand thread and moving lefty-tighty with a breaker bar will lever the tension arm down. Until chinesium strikes again and the bolt strips out, so you go out to the project VR6 car in the garage (every VW owner should have a second VR6 for parts) and steal its tensioner, rendering it yet another part further away from ever leaving the garage under its own power. (but letting the other one get you to work)
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Dec 30, 2015 16:06
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Collateral Damage posted:Wait there are cars that don't use the alternator as a tensioner? My car has a computer controlled hydraulic tensioner which changes tension based upon electrical and hydraulic load on the belt. There is a separate hydraulic pump for the belt tensioner, and a separate belt tensioner fluid reservoir and cooler. The fluid used is Toyota Belt Tensioner Fluid, it costs around $120/qt. Just kidding, it's a regular sprung automatic tensioner. The alternator is fixed. Most of this is true for the engine fan, though, because electric fans are so difficult to produce, I guess. Pomp and Circumcized fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Dec 30, 2015 16:15
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kastein posted:what's even better is when the loving tensioner is the power steering pump, and you have to loosen 4 bolts (2 hidden behind brittle plastic fuel line fittings, 1 hidden behind the belt) and then tension the belt using a ~10cm 8mm bolt that's seized to the tensioner block and is very uncomfortable to access Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup. Waiting to bust the 2 fuel lines next time I dick with my 4.0L belt. Luckily, I coated that stupid long-rear end bolt in anti-seize years ago. The other PS bolts are a pain in the dick to get to though.
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Dec 30, 2015 17:31
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The tensioner bolt in the old Maximas had a habit of deforming but not breaking which was really unsettling. Once in a while you'd get belt squeal and then have to tighten this twisted bolt and hope for the best
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Dec 30, 2015 17:35
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kastein posted:
Well, modern Subarus aren't like this since there's only one belt because there's no power steering pump anymore.
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Dec 30, 2015 17:45
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Slack3r posted:Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup. Waiting to bust the 2 fuel lines next time I dick with my 4.0L belt. Luckily, I coated that stupid long-rear end bolt in anti-seize years ago. The other PS bolts are a pain in the dick to get to though. Yeah, the first thing I do on any new-to-me jeep serp belt project is find my spare (it's different on 95- vs 96+) and make sure it's ready to use, then finagle the one out of the jeep, try cleaning it up (wire wheel the threads on each side of the tension block, then aerokroil and propane torch USUALLY breaks it free) and then just snap it in half if it won't come out nicely. It's just a terrible design, the 96+ ones are slightly less annoying since it's only one accessible pinch bolt and the tension bolt instead of the inaccessible tension bolt and four pinch bolts.
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Dec 30, 2015 17:52
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 When did they switch to the spring tensioner on the 4.0? I'm definitely glad that I don't have to gently caress with poo poo like that.
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Dec 30, 2015 20:41
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ShittyPostmakerPro posted:My car has a computer controlled hydraulic tensioner which changes tension based upon electrical and hydraulic load on the belt. There is a separate hydraulic pump for the belt tensioner, and a separate belt tensioner fluid reservoir and cooler. The fluid used is Toyota Belt Tensioner Fluid, it costs around $120/qt. If you'd said this was a VW/Audi I'd have believed you.
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Dec 30, 2015 20:45
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All MJs, XJs, I believe all YJs, and possibly some TJs got the bolt tensioner. Not sure. WJs and late TJs (unsure of year split) I believe had the spring tensioner. e: I would have believed that too if you were talking about Mercedes. Also, hydraulic and e-clutched mechanical fans are a thing because it's far more efficient to run a fan mechanically, and far cheaper, the only downside is when you don't need all that air moved, so you put an electronic clutch on it to throttle the fan down and get the best of both worlds. The problem is that electronic clutches are somewhat of a wear item, so they get lovely on high mileage vehicles and end up with a bad reputation. e: the Atlas LL8 uses one, along with many 6.0L powerstroke trucks. The last page of this PDF covers how they work: http://www.haydenauto.com/upload/HaydenAuto/Documents/Cat_Hayden/Hayden%20Fan%20Clutch%20Design%20Types.pdf kastein fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Dec 30, 2015 20:46
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kastein posted:Yeah, the first thing I do on any new-to-me jeep serp belt project is find my spare (it's different on 95- vs 96+) and make sure it's ready to use, then finagle the one out of the jeep, try cleaning it up (wire wheel the threads on each side of the tension block, then aerokroil and propane torch USUALLY breaks it free) and then just snap it in half if it won't come out nicely. It's just a terrible design, the 96+ ones are slightly less annoying since it's only one accessible pinch bolt and the tension bolt instead of the inaccessible tension bolt and four pinch bolts. Wait, am I just super lucky that my bolt tensioner was totally cooperative each time I had to pull it from the XJ? Am I just waiting for a world of pain soon?
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Dec 31, 2015 00:46
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The tensioner for the 3.5 in the Odyssey is notorious for breaking off the tensioner studs whatever you wanna call those. Aftermarket or OEM it makes no difference. And it's almost impossible to not break it because there's no room to get In there.
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Dec 31, 2015 02:47
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 It could be worse, It could be a 4th gen eclipse tensioner where you have to double up on wrenches (because you don't have the room to get a socket and ratchet back there and there is an engine in the way from above) to get it loose enough to slip the belt on and oh wait you broke the whole loving thing. gently caress you.
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Dec 31, 2015 03:17
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 That's a mighty big piece of...engine block(?) on there.
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Dec 31, 2015 04:36
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Godholio posted:
Looks like a broken in half serpentine belt tensioner to me. The springy part and other half of the arm still bolted to the engine. Nothing that can't be swapped out. It's probably off some fwd v6 with no clearance so you have to jack the engine up and remove the motor mounts, though 
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Dec 31, 2015 04:43
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Its off an 07 4 cylinder eclipse a friend of mine owns. The bolt that holds the pulley on the tensioner assembly thing (which is the broken chunk in that picture) faces in towards the engine with under an inch of clearance between it and something large and metal. If it was on the other side, it would be easily accessable with even the fender well in and we couldn't have that! The bolts to replace the whole assembly were all easy accessable to add insult to injury.
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cross posting from my thread. My roommattes 88 Cressida Diff that locked on the highway at 80kmph after months of screeching.   new used lsd unit:  2 wheel burnouts coming to a street near you.
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Dec 31, 2015 07:11
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What did the technician do with the bunny?
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Dec 31, 2015 07:18
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Seqenenra posted:What did the technician do with the bunny? What do you think they did with the bunny? 
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Dec 31, 2015 07:24
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They did a 2 wheel bunout? (And into the arms of a loving family or a responsible rescue/shelter  )
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Dec 31, 2015 07:28
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Wiring and wiring and wiring and wiring and wiring and Eatin the bunny
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Dec 31, 2015 07:31
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Seqenenra posted:What did the technician do with the bunny? If it happened to get ahold of the primary, then it coulda fricaseed itself.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:10
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Seqenenra posted:What did the technician do with the bunny? "...in which 14" smokes Wild Rabbit."
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Dec 31, 2015 08:12
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I noticed some movement under a truck that I had parked in my driveway and went over to see what it was. Got down and looked uder it and didn't see anything, looked around the yard and still nothing. Popped the hood and found this -  A big rear end groundhog chilling next to the motor.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:45
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Hold it by it's rear legs, but don't let them touch (they freak out). Club it at the base of the skull in a downward motion. Chicken bouillon cubes work reasonably well with fluffy bunny stew.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:46
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Could have cleared that check engine light by adding another cat. Pomp and Circumcized fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Dec 31, 2015 11:03
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Godholio posted:Hold it by it's rear legs, but don't let them touch (they freak out). Club it at the base of the skull in a downward motion. Chicken bobouillon cubes work reasonably well with fluffy bunny stew. Some fella I knew at uni was amazed you could buy rabbits for eating when he went to our local market. Bought one, tried to make casserole. Didn't skin it first. Fluffy bunny stew indeed.
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Dec 31, 2015 11:43
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ShittyPostmakerPro posted:My car has a computer controlled hydraulic tensioner which changes tension based upon electrical and hydraulic load on the belt. There is a separate hydraulic pump for the belt tensioner, and a separate belt tensioner fluid reservoir and cooler. The fluid used is Toyota Belt Tensioner Fluid, it costs around $120/qt. Plz don't give Audi/VW any more ideas, k thx.
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Dec 31, 2015 14:52
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No joke, I had a squirrel pull out some the wires from the control board which controls all the touchscreen stuff in my car. It would no longer read the navigation card, and none of the USB ports worked anymore. Thankfully it didn't eat anything, and it was just a matter of getting it all reconnected.
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Dec 31, 2015 15:01
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Apparently mice like toyota wire covering my parents have lived in the country and had Hondas Subaru and toyotas, toyota wires got eaten by mice a few times, dealer confirmed they had this issue quite often. They tried traps in the car outside the csr, parking further away no wind, eventually sold it and got another Subaru no issues with mice.
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Dec 31, 2015 15:22
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ewiley posted:Wait, am I just super lucky that my bolt tensioner was totally cooperative each time I had to pull it from the XJ? Am I just waiting for a world of pain soon? If you're in the rustbelt you're lucky, otherwise, news at 11.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:36
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Honda actually has TSBs about rodent damage to the knock sensor wiring harness on V6 models. Honda also sells OEM RODENT DETERRENT TAPE http://www.amazon.com/Honda-4019-2317-Rodent-Tape/dp/B00AJTG3N0
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Dec 31, 2015 17:05
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Cakefool posted:Some fella I knew at uni was amazed you could buy rabbits for eating when he went to our local market. Bought one, tried to make casserole. :o They sold it with fur at the store?
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BraveUlysses posted::o Market stall. Just be glad we're pretty sure it was a rabbit, not a cat.
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