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kind of surprising that the term "enterprise linux" hasn't somehow been co-opted by star-trek enthusiasts
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Dec 30, 2015 17:32
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2016 edition of some long article on why Linux is not ready for the desktop (tm)quote:I want to make one thing crystal clear - Windows, in some regards, is even worse than Linux and it's definitely not ready for the desktop either. Off the top of my head I want to name the following quite devastating issues with Windows: • devastating Windows rot, • no enforced file system and registry hierarchy (I have yet to find a single serious application which can uninstall itself cleanly and fully), • svchost.exe, • no true safe mode, • no clean state, • the user as a system administrator (thus viruses/malware - most users don't and won't understand UAC warnings), • no good packaging mechanism (MSI is a fragile abomination), • no system wide update mechanism (which includes third party software), • Windows is extremely difficult to debug, • Windows boot problems are often fatal and unsolvable unless you reinstall from scratch, • Windows is hardware dependent (especially when running from UEFI), • Windows updates are terribly unreliable and they also waste disk space, • there's no way to cleanly upgrade your system (there will be thousands of leftovers), etc. http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
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Dec 30, 2015 17:34
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Barnyard Protein posted:kind of surprising that the term "enterprise linux" hasn't somehow been co-opted by star-trek enthusiasts i like to joke that people here prefer star wars because everyone is sick of enterprise
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Dec 30, 2015 17:38
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MrMoo posted:2016 edition of some long article on why Linux is not ready for the desktop (tm) are we sure this article was written in good faith? why, some of these issues raised will literally never be resolved in linux
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Dec 30, 2015 17:40
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Barnyard Protein posted:are we sure this article was written in good faith? why, some of these issues raised will literally never be resolved in linux mainly because every other point on that list can be summed up as "flash is garbage" although we are finally at the point where you don't really need it anymore he also has a nice long systemd rant in the middle now where he complains that people are fixing the issues that he was complaining about
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Dec 30, 2015 17:49
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it definitely has the same feel as the insane lists i compile over the course of years/months when i'm upset over something thats out of my control. that would explain the systemd stuff
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Dec 30, 2015 17:52
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He's mad that developers who can't reproduce bugs don't magically fix them. Take a look at his bug reports and he rarely follows up to questions he doesn't like. His NVIDIA suspend bug report even had him say the same exact error message happened on windows, and the NVIDIA employee suggested it was probably a motherboard issue, but he still bumped the thread like ten times after that.
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Dec 30, 2015 18:02
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It starts off interesting then goes a bit crazy. Two clearly incorrect pieces are about everything being configurable via a UI in OS X and Windows, and the author seems to have missed the move to multiple version shared libraries with app containerization.
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Dec 30, 2015 18:13
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Suspicious Dish posted:He's mad that developers who can't reproduce bugs don't magically fix them. Take a look at his bug reports and he rarely follows up to questions he doesn't like. His NVIDIA suspend bug report even had him say the same exact error message happened on windows, and the NVIDIA employee suggested it was probably a motherboard issue, but he still bumped the thread like ten times after that. Yeah he's a special snowflake that must have the only problems with one device, not another cheapo 50 dollar pos addon
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Dec 30, 2015 18:15
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Also, while I could do a point by point rebuttal to everything here (e.g. Wayland font antialiasing configuration), it's just long winded. I think Linux and wine had a huge opportunity when Windows XP went EOL, but we squandered it.
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Dec 30, 2015 18:19
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thanks shadowhawk
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Dec 30, 2015 18:21
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Suspicious Dish posted:Also, while I could do a point by point rebuttal to everything here (e.g. Wayland font antialiasing configuration), it's just long winded. there's no point since all you will get from this guy is more crazy ranting about how "you just don't get it" edit: lol his latest argument for the kernel being a "buggy mess of regressions" is a small bug in a bleeding-edge kernel that only effects people running seriously old 32-bit hardware with an ata disk (basically him and that's it). edit2: 2016 year of linux on the ps4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A7V3GLWF6U The_Franz fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Dec 30, 2015 18:39
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Suspicious Dish posted:Also, while I could do a point by point rebuttal to everything here (e.g. Wayland font antialiasing configuration), it's just long winded. You seriously loving do not want idiots who stuck with xp for 12 years as your user expansion
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Dec 30, 2015 19:20
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http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/
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Dec 30, 2015 20:07
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RIP
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Dec 30, 2015 20:13
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yeah, rip
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Dec 30, 2015 20:25
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Dec 30, 2015 20:33
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I didn't think he'd actually go through with it after the twitter meltdown. RIP
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Dec 30, 2015 22:01
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So this was over being roughed up by the police? The ts12 of open source programming
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Dec 30, 2015 22:08
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my interpretation of what happened on twitter was that his neighbor called the cops on him for being scary somehow. he said something about being arrested just for knocking on a neighbor's door.
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Dec 30, 2015 22:11
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This is what happens when you use Sid.
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Dec 31, 2015 00:15
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MrMoo posted:2016 edition of some long article on why Linux is not ready for the desktop (tm) rambling insane bullshit still complaining about alsa in tyool 2015 lol
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Dec 31, 2015 01:22
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:rambling insane bullshit broken clock opsec posted:You seriously loving do not want idiots who stuck with xp for 12 years as your user expansion I guess xp users would still be an improvement
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Dec 31, 2015 01:25
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theultimo posted:Apt is much, much better then yum from a user perspective they are almost exactly the same, feature for feature under the covers, apt was better than yum for many years. apt put all the core stuff into a single, well-tested c++ library and then wrote frontends in any language desired. yum had everything stuffed into a maze of twisty lovely python. fedora 22+ has fixed this with dnf. dnf still has all the frontends written in python, but they call into common C libraries to handle all the fiddly details. (and it's yum-compatible, so as an end-user you don't have to learn anything.) rhel will get dnf via epel at some point but don't hold your breath for it to become the default in existing versions
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Dec 31, 2015 01:26
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if dnf is totes compat with yum why not just switch, symlink yum to dnf, and be done with it or just call dnf the new yum idgi
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Dec 31, 2015 01:43
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on fedora23, it translates yum commands to dnf. the basics that i use are the same anyways, pretty easy transition
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Dec 31, 2015 01:45
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BobHoward posted:if dnf is totes compat with yum why not just switch, symlink yum to dnf, and be done with it they did this, and then deleted the symlink later
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Dec 31, 2015 01:45
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The semantics are different enough in edge case scenarios that automated scripts broke. The new semantics are better. For a long time the goal was to switch the implementation of yum to the dnf move, but that never happened.
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theultimo posted:And fedora is "free" so good luck getting working video drivers how stupid you are, nvidia drivers and amd drivers are on rpmfusion, or you can just download and install them, same with intel
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Dec 31, 2015 08:38
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celeron 300a posted:I installed Fedora 23 and besides the fact that it doesn't play media or use eCryptfs out of the box, and the extra step of adding more SELinux policies, it was incredibly painless. No need to do anything to my home directory besides SELinux relabeling. you can just go to the software ui and install all the codecs you want, why are you interactinv with selinux at all???? on my mine it just works
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Dec 31, 2015 08:40
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i thought rhel 7 was using dnf
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Dec 31, 2015 09:02
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i can't believe it's already the last day of the year of linux on the desktop
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Dec 31, 2015 17:08
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triple sulk posted:i can't believe it's already the last day of the year of linux on the desktop Well i am sure the year of the linux on the desktop will live in our memories forever.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:19
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I hope graph does the needful tomorrow
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Dec 31, 2015 20:39
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The Year of the Linux Desktop has finally arrived.
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Dec 31, 2015 21:55
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omfg that perms toggle thing 
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Dec 31, 2015 21:57
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nice abs
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Suspicious Dish posted:The Year of the Linux Desktop has finally arrived. i actually like a lot about the UI, it's just the rest of it is horrendous
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