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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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You know for all the trouble I'll give Dragon Ball some times The juxtaposition of Cell achieving Perfection and Gohan going SSJ for the first time is really brilliant.
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Dec 30, 2015 21:29
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Gildiss posted:Conclusion: Nobody is perfect. Goku is a bad dad in a vacuum but when you compare him to everybody else in the Dragonball universe who ISN'T training night and day to stop the next jerk-alien on a powertrip from blasting the planet into smithereens he is pretty alright. After all even if Goku had actually let somebody blow up the earth during that whole "My kids will take up the burden" phase he STILL would only be the dick who let the earth get blown up; same as every other Dad on Earth in Dragonball. As is he is currently residing with his family... occasionally. He is still around enough that he could hypothetically defend the planet *coughFriezacough* and so for the most part he is currently ranging at "Pretty Good" to "Average". Now if we wanna analyze this from whether he was a good father to Gohan in specific... Nope not really!
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Dec 30, 2015 21:48
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eh, I'd say he's probably the worst dad in dbz by default. what little you see of krillin makes him out to dote on his daughter and spend a lot of time with her, satan seems overbearing but at least he's always around for videl, and then you have vegeta who wins out by never throwing his kid at the monster of the week. like in the buu saga the last thing he does before dying is hug his son and then send him and goten away because he doesn't want them to die, gets mad at goku for saving mr satan instead of their kids, and he tries to get gotenks not to attack berus as well. goku, on the other hand, was watching from the sidelines as gohan and gotenks get thrashed.  goku's not trying to be a bad dad tho; he's just dumb as a brickgoku's biggest failing imo was that he never understood gohan at all. gohan's favorite uncle piccolo had to spell it out for him in the cell saga that gohan just doesn't like to fight, which apparently goku never noticed on his own even after spending a year in isolation together. he'd only spent like an hour total with goten throughout the whole buu saga because of the tournament/his time constraints, so I guess you can't really blame him for not understanding his second son but he did make the same mistake of leaving the fate of the world in the hands of literal children again. by his own admission he could have just killed buu when he went ss3 tho maybe gohan wouldn't have turned into such a useless dork were it not for chichi
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Dec 30, 2015 22:11
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I dunno, Goku didn't beat Buu because he thought the Earth needed to be able to defend itself without him. Of course, the Earth showed that it's full of fuckups, so he had to do it himself anyway, but he didn't know that would happen.
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Dec 31, 2015 00:42
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Wait a minute, isn't Piccolo Gohan's dad ?
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Dec 31, 2015 00:54
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Momomo posted:I dunno, Goku didn't beat Buu because he thought the Earth needed to be able to defend itself without him. Of course, the Earth showed that it's full of fuckups, so he had to do it himself anyway, but he didn't know that would happen. like yeah, I get where he's coming from (gohan should have been the one to kill buu imo but rip) but vegeta's dead and he thinks gohan is as well at that point so he's betting the world on a seven and eight year old he did this same poo poo with gohan and it literally blew up in his face, and gohan was older than trunks and goten
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Dec 31, 2015 00:59
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Manatee Cannon posted:eh, I'd say he's probably the worst dad in dbz by default. what little you see of krillin makes him out to dote on his daughter and spend a lot of time with her, satan seems overbearing but at least he's always around for videl, and then you have vegeta who wins out by never throwing his kid at the monster of the week. like in the buu saga the last thing he does before dying is hug his son and then send him and goten away because he doesn't want them to die, gets mad at goku for saving mr satan instead of their kids, and he tries to get gotenks not to attack berus as well. goku, on the other hand, was watching from the sidelines as gohan and gotenks get thrashed. I think you may be forgetting the part where Vegeta beats the crap out of his son so he couldn't stop Semi-Perfect Cell from becoming perfect, which is pretty lovely and bad. he also had a multi-year stint abandoning his family to go training. really vegeta and goku are incredibly similar when you get right down to it.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:00
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Momomo posted:I dunno, Goku didn't beat Buu because he thought the Earth needed to be able to defend itself without him. Of course, the Earth showed that it's full of fuckups, so he had to do it himself anyway, but he didn't know that would happen. That's a really loving stupid reason though. "I better not stop this murderer even though I can because people need to help themselves"
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Dec 31, 2015 01:01
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It kind of amazes me that people think "Goku is a bad dad" is some kind of joke the internet collectively agreed on at some point when it's a loving plot point when Gohan fights Cell.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:06
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Zore posted:I think you may be forgetting the part where Vegeta beats the crap out of his son so he couldn't stop Semi-Perfect Cell from becoming perfect, which is pretty lovely and bad. yeah I wasn't thinking about future trunks, and yeah vegeta is a bad bad at that point but that is part of his growth as a character. by the end of the cell saga, he legit cares for trunks' well being and by the buu saga he's learned and doesn't repeat his mistake goku just does the same thing again with goten as he did with gohan, plus he involves trunks because goku's kinda dumb like that
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Dec 31, 2015 01:10
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Twiddy posted:It kind of amazes me that people think "Goku is a bad dad" is some kind of joke the internet collectively agreed on at some point when it's a loving plot point when Gohan fights Cell. That's a weird punchline, but I'll accept it.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:19
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Goku is a horrible monster who believes in his son and recognises that his son is better than him and just needs self confidence. What a oval office.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:33
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Namtab posted:Goku is a horrible monster who believes in his son and recognises that his son is better than him and just needs self confidence. "I shall have my pacifistic 12 year old child go punch a horrible immortal bug man without explaining to him that he has a lot of hidden power and instead just letting him be traumatized until it comes out." No matter how you slice it, what Goku did was wrong. There's a reason why, in the actual loving canon of the show, Piccolo turns to Goku and calls him a goddamn moron- AND GOKU REALIZES HE IS WRONG
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Dec 31, 2015 01:35
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Burkion posted:"I shall have my pacifistic 12 year old child go punch a horrible immortal bug man without explaining to him that he has a lot of hidden power and instead just letting him be traumatized until it comes out." but then he turns out to have been right
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Dec 31, 2015 01:36
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Namtab posted:but then he turns out to have been right
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Dec 31, 2015 01:40
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if mr satan hadn't thrown 16's head over, he wouldn't have android 16 is a better dad than goku and mr satan is the true hero of this world
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Dec 31, 2015 01:41
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This thread is being very negative towards shounen hero goku
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Dec 31, 2015 01:41
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Again, the "joke" that Goku is a bad dad and Piccolo is better at being a dad isn't a joke at all, it's literally what's said in the Gohan vs Cell fight. That's how it's presented. That's what happened. Goku didn't get his son at all, other people had to help Gohan unlock his power because Goku was helpless in understanding what his son was going through.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:42
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I can't wait for Goku to battle gotens depression
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Dec 31, 2015 01:43
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it will be another frieza clone
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Dec 31, 2015 01:43
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goku should take notes from gohan's favorite dad piccolo and throw goten at a mountain
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Dec 31, 2015 01:44
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I'm not sure why you take issue with the fact that Goku is a flawed father. Sure it's not to the level of the exaggerated jokes that he doesn't like or take interest in his son- that's true but it only applies to Goten- but Goku not understanding Gohan is a major plot point. Hell didn't they have to retcon in the excuse that Goku saw a glimpse of SSJ2 when they were training to make Goku seem less like a dickhead for throwing Gohan to the wolves?
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Dec 31, 2015 01:46
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picollo died for gohan, totes unlike the time good dad goku died for gohan
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Dec 31, 2015 01:46
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Burkion posted:I'm not sure why you take issue with the fact that Goku is a flawed father. goku is my dad, and im gohan
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Dec 31, 2015 01:47
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Burkion posted:Hell didn't they have to retcon in the excuse that Goku saw a glimpse of SSJ2 when they were training to make Goku seem less like a dickhead for throwing Gohan to the wolves? Let's not get overzealous in pointing out Goku's flaws.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:48
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Twiddy posted:I mean that isn't really a retcon (unless that wasn't in the manga, I don't actually remember). That's just what happened. I know it didn't happen in the actual training session. We saw it, in the anime at least, after Goku's already having Gohan fight Cell. I always assumed it was an anime only thing, though if it was in the manga fair point.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:50
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Goku glimpsing SSJ2 in the RoSaT is indeed anime only.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:50
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Burkion posted:I know it didn't happen in the actual training session. We saw it, in the anime at least, after Goku's already having Gohan fight Cell. I always assumed it was an anime only thing, though if it was in the manga fair point. That said... Pureauthor posted:Goku glimpsing SSJ2 in the RoSaT is indeed anime only.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:54
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Anime only doesn't strictly mean non-canon
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Dec 31, 2015 01:56
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to be fair, gohan is presented as being stonger than goku even before he snaps and goes ss2, like how they show him being confused and thinking goku was holding back because gohan was measuring his dad's strength to his own and assuming he'd be stronger to be unfair, remember in the buu saga when goku thinks buu killed gohan and he doesn't really do anything about it? kinda funny when you consider his reactions both times krillin has died Namtab posted:Anime only doesn't strictly mean non-canon yea isn't pikon or whatever his name is from an anime filler arc, but he gets to be for real later?
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Dec 31, 2015 01:58
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Namtab posted:Anime only doesn't strictly mean non-canon
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Dec 31, 2015 01:59
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Twiddy posted:It kind of amazes me that people think "Goku is a bad dad" is some kind of joke the internet collectively agreed on at some point when it's a loving plot point when Gohan fights Cell. god this thread is retarded
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Dec 31, 2015 02:40
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:god this thread is retarded Why are slurs necessary?
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Dec 31, 2015 03:10
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:god this thread is retarded turn on your monitor.
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Dec 31, 2015 03:42
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XboxPants posted:I think the "given enough time" is the key part here. I'm sure THOSE animators can do better, too, given enough time. The time constraint is the biggest problem to begin with, you can't just remove that from the equation. "I could totally shoot straighter than that cowboy as long as you gave me a more accurate gun than him. The bigger problem is the keyframing. The old series covered for a lack of frames in cases with well done, dramatic keyframing. Even the infamous four-frame fast fighting that was done with every clash was punctuated by some very dramatic and well done keyframes and stills in between. This series gets rather odd in while you expect some shoddy fills and cheats, even the still in-between stuff looks bad. It doesn't technically cost more money/time to do more dramatic poses, cleaner mid range stills or a better sense of weight and timing. I -can- effort post and demonstrate that in a couple of days when I'm back at my other comp, to show exactly what is being referred to here and how it can be simply (and quickly) improved.
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Dec 31, 2015 03:57
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Twiddy posted:I mean yeah, it's more a curiosity that takes second place to Piccolo ragging on Goku for not understanding the first thing about his son. yeah its hosed up goku lets his son fight the guy that his son wanted to fight the whole time he spent in the time chamber and was stronger than
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Dec 31, 2015 05:12
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:god this thread is retarded I'm mostly just here to be reminded in case I miss when a new DBZA episode drops.
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Dec 31, 2015 05:31
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Darko posted:The bigger problem is the keyframing. The old series covered for a lack of frames in cases with well done, dramatic keyframing. Even the infamous four-frame fast fighting that was done with every clash was punctuated by some very dramatic and well done keyframes and stills in between. This series gets rather odd in while you expect some shoddy fills and cheats, even the still in-between stuff looks bad. Nah, that was actually a pretty good explanation, at least for me. I don't know a ton about animation but I can at least follow what you're talking about with the keyframes and the inbetween frames. It sounds like you're basically arguing that (at least for some episodes and some sequences) the animation is rotten at the very core, and if you start with a bad foundation like that, then even if you put in more time & effort it would be unlikely to fix it. This sounds like a leadership/management issue; bad animation directors?
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Dec 31, 2015 05:54
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Kild posted:yeah its hosed up goku lets his son fight the guy that his son wanted to fight the whole time he spent in the time chamber and was stronger than
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Dec 31, 2015 06:03
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:god this thread is retarded Yeah but eventually they will understand that Goku is a bad dad.
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