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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah but eventually they will understand that Goku is a bad dad.
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Dec 31, 2015 06:35
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Twiddy posted:I mean it's not even about whether or not Goku is, objectively, a bad father (as that would be an argument that could go up in flames very fast), it's that the story calls him out on not understanding his son at all, and other characters have to bail him out of it. One is a really long ugly argument about what makes a good father or not (which everyone has an emotional opinion on), and the other is a thing that happens in the story. They call him a bad father / not understanding gohan when he literally spent a year with Gohan and all Gohan could talk about was how he wasn't gonna be useless anymore standing on the sidelines and wanted to kill cell himself.
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Dec 31, 2015 06:55
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Kild posted:They call him a bad father / not understanding gohan when he literally spent a year with Gohan and all Gohan could talk about was how he wasn't gonna be useless anymore standing on the sidelines and wanted to kill cell himself. EDIT: That last bit was unnecessary, I'm really just trying to impress man, this is part of the canon here I hope this argument goes to die. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Dec 31, 2015 06:59
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People really, really want Goku to be flawless. They will fight The author himself for this.
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Dec 31, 2015 07:01
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Kild posted:They call him a bad father / not understanding gohan when he literally spent a year with Gohan and all Gohan could talk about was how he wasn't gonna be useless anymore standing on the sidelines and wanted to kill cell himself. Gohan wanted his absentee and often dead father to be proud of him and the only thing that registered to Goku was "how strong are you" so Gohan communicated on his dad's frequency. The fact that they spent four years training together and Goku still couldn't figure out that Gohan didn't want to actually fight says a lot about how clueless Goku was.
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Dec 31, 2015 07:07
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Goku is not a good father, but he is not a bad one either. He never physically or emotionally abused Gohan or anything; Goku just didn't understand Gohan at all because he is incredibly dumb.
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Dec 31, 2015 07:10
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Meanwhile, in things that haven't been debated a few dozen times by the thread already: It somehow looks dorkier than regular GT Trunks AND Baby Vegeta. Bravo, Heroes.
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Dec 31, 2015 07:18
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StrifeHira posted:Meanwhile, in things that haven't been debated a few dozen times by the thread already: He looks badass.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:17
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StrifeHira posted:Meanwhile, in things that haven't been debated a few dozen times by the thread already: The amount of combinations Heroes has managed is astounding. Waiting for Super Sayian 4 Super Baby Goku. Lets go crazy!
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Dec 31, 2015 08:23
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Twiddy posted:So in your scenario where Goku did understand Gohan, why was the problem resolved by 16's head being thrown at Gohan and 16 giving a speech? Because Toriyama is a bad writer? He wanted tension and threw away the previous characterization to achieve it? Same reason Gohan can't even catch an earring. CharlestheHammer posted:People really, really want Goku to be flawless. They will fight The author himself for this. Who is saying he's flawless? Goku can beat up your Dad so he's the better Dad anyway.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:25
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Kild posted:Because Toriyama is a bad writer? He wanted tension and threw away the previous characterization to achieve it? Same reason Gohan can't even catch an earring. Everyone who is trying to pretend his one major flaw isn't a thing. I guess you could say pride as well but that is Vegetas thing and he does it better. Actual bad daddin was a major theme of the android Cell saga now that I think of it.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:31
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CharlestheHammer posted:Everyone who is trying to pretend his one major flaw isn't a thing. I guess you could say pride as well but that is Vegetas thing and he does it better. Whis already said his major flaw though? He's too carefree/relaxed/unguarded/overconfident and thinks too little.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:41
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Vegeta is a good dad who takes his son to theme parks and gives him ice cream Goku canonically has never taken either of his sons out for ice cream let alone to a theme park But Goku is not the only one at fault, piccolo never gave Gohan ice cream either
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Dec 31, 2015 08:41
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Kelp Plankton posted:Vegeta is a good dad who takes his son to theme parks and gives him ice cream He only gave him icecream and themeparks because he physicall assaulted him out of anger.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:42
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Kild posted:He only gave him icecream and themeparks because he physicall assaulted him out of anger. Goku doesn't even care enough to to physically assault his own children Piccolo has to do it for him
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Dec 31, 2015 08:45
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Goku's one major flaw isn't that he isn't the best dad. His one major flaw (and this is honestly repeatedly emphasized) is that he is a giant kid who loves to fight more than anything else. This doesn't mean he doesn't love his family or doesn't care about people or whatever. It just means that he'll put a chance to fight and train and better himself over almost anything else that doesn't feel like a pressing concern and he seems to genuinely have a hard to grasping that not everyone feels that way. It's also part of what is supposed to be unnerving about him going Super Saiyan because at long last he's actually seriously angry and unhappy to a degree where his eyeset changes to that of a villain. It's why Battle of the Gods totally made sense as a plot point for him because he achieves a new more powerful form and he's spending the entire fight quietly sulking over the fact that he couldn't do this himself despite the fact he's fighting the most powerful creature in existence for the fate of the planet. And he does it but he doesn't want to do it because it's a serious fight he had to 'cheat' to get instead of one he achieves himself. He genuinely enjoys both training and pressing other people to train which is why PIccolo (and later Vegeta) are his rivals because they are the exact right mindset to go up against that because they both push him to train and in turn are pushed by him to train harder. And this flaw causes him to make dumb mistakes because he does view the world in terms of "I want to fight the strong guy" until poo poo gets really really bad. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Dec 31, 2015 08:46
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Kild posted:Because Toriyama is a bad writer? He wanted tension and threw away the previous characterization to achieve it? Same reason Gohan can't even catch an earring. Kild posted:He only gave him icecream and themeparks because he physicall assaulted him out of anger. Piccolo depends on how you count that initial training session where he transitioned from being an rear end in a top hat to trying to be a good guy.
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Dec 31, 2015 08:55
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Krillin is a good father and a cool guy
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Dec 31, 2015 08:56
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Destroy Goku.
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Dec 31, 2015 09:06
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Twiddy posted:Who cares if Toriyama is a bad writer ot not. All of this seems like it's desperately trying to ignore the conclusive fact that Goku was called on not understanding his son and by proxy, some bad parenting in the Cell Saga. I don't see why. Arguing with facts is a waste of everyone's time. Just because he was called out on it doesn't mean its true. And its extrapolated into he's the worst dad in the history because he believed in his child who said he could do thing. He's called out on it by the guy who hasn't seen Gohan really fight since he was 4 in the Saiyan Saga. It's like if Goku bought Gohan GTAV cus thats all he talked about and Piccolo says he doesn't understand Gohan at all because what Gohan really wanted was SpongeBob because that's what he liked at age 4. "Gohan's not a fighter" *Has participated in every battle willingly in DBZ*
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Dec 31, 2015 09:07
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If Beerus and Champa did the fusion dance, what would that be called?
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Dec 31, 2015 09:24
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Covok posted:If Beerus and Champa did the fusion dance, what would that be called? Black Velvet?
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Dec 31, 2015 09:26
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Kild posted:Just because he was called out on it doesn't mean its true. Covok posted:If Beerus and Champa did the fusion dance, what would that be called?
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Dec 31, 2015 09:27
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Twiddy posted:Literally all you have to do is read the reaction panel/reaction shots when all that happens but I think I'm done. I literally just decided to comment on this for once because I thought I could inject some sense into this. All you have to do is read Goku + Gohan being in the time chamber? Look at the reactions to SSJ3. There's no way he could do that he's bluffing!
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Dec 31, 2015 09:28
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Darko posted:The bigger problem is the keyframing. The old series covered for a lack of frames in cases with well done, dramatic keyframing. Even the infamous four-frame fast fighting that was done with every clash was punctuated by some very dramatic and well done keyframes and stills in between. This series gets rather odd in while you expect some shoddy fills and cheats, even the still in-between stuff looks bad. But can you do better
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Dec 31, 2015 09:30
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Namtab posted:But can you do better
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Dec 31, 2015 09:32
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Twiddy posted:Literally all you have to do is read the reaction panel/reaction shots when all that happens but I think I'm done. I literally just decided to comment on this for once because I thought I could inject some sense into this. Hell Piccolo says Gohan is crying wondering why his Dad is letting him get beat up when that wasn't the case at all. He just thought he could talk it out and was scared of his own power.
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Dec 31, 2015 09:36
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Twiddy posted:There is nothing pretty that can come out of this. How could you tell if they failed the fusion? If they came out fat, they'd look like Champa. If they came out too skinny, they'd look like Beerus.
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Dec 31, 2015 09:46
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Covok posted:How could you tell if they failed the fusion? If they came out fat, they'd look like Champa. If they came out too skinny, they'd look like Beerus.
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Dec 31, 2015 09:52
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Champ(r)us
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Dec 31, 2015 09:58
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Other than an abhorrent waste, is there any name for a drink that is a mix of beer and champagne? That'd be their fusion name.
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Dec 31, 2015 10:04
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For the first four years of his life, Goku doted on Gohan as a son, and never attempted to make him fight. From then until Goku's death there is not a single moment in Goku's life where he isn't training like a mad man because the world is going to die. However he's dealing with the knowledge in the Android Saga that with him dead, everyone else would die, and he was determined to leave the world defended so that when his time came, they would be able to protect themselves. Here is where he makes his mistake, he misinterprets Gohan's desire to fight Cell as the same kind of love of battle that he has, while Gohan's actual desire to fight Cell was more of a "If I have to I want to be ready." There's also the fact that Gohan has always frozen in the face of power, not that Goku was around for any of those moments, but he is the kind of character who will talk up a desire to do a thing, and then in the heat of the moment not have the stomach to pull it off. Kild isn't wrong that Gohan spends all of their time training talking about defeating Cell, at the same time it's not wrong that Goku misread his own son, and that Piccolo, who has fought along side Gohan, can recognize that the boy doesn't have Goku's fighting spirit. Does Goku make a mistake as a parent? Yeah. Is he a bad father? Not really, one mistake bad parenthood does not make, When things were at peace he was always there for Gohan, hell even while training it's very apparent that Goku loves his son and cares for him. But there is a miscommunication on what Gohan actually wants, one that makes sense because Gohan and Goku have never fought along side one another in a serious fight until that moment. The only real argument for "Is Goku a bad father" I've ever heard was him choosing to stay dead, and ignoring that the argument is that it's better to skull gently caress the laws of nature and come back to life rather than just accepting that you passed on... Well it all depends how you see him dying against Cell, was his final conversation with King Kai a case of dramatic license and Cell blew up near immediately? Or did Goku willingly let himself die? I don't think it's the latter. If the argument is "He could have killed Cell" the response is "Yes and so could Vegeta if he actually caught Cell entirely in the Final Flash." Goku was at big risk at wiping out earth with the Warp Kamehameha. Of course he did give Cell that Senzu bean... that was just... That was actual bad parenting, and I honestly thing that was out of character for Goku. Sure he gave Piccolo a Senzu, but A. If Piccolo died then Kami would die and B. He did that after beating him. But it did happen and it's a really bad thing from Goku. So... is Goku a bad father? I posit that Goku is in fact Akira Toriyama, and thus hates Gohan.
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Dec 31, 2015 10:20
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Onmi posted:I posit that Goku is in fact Akira Toriyama, and thus hates Gohan. ... Nah that's actually a good post and I think gets across what Kild and I were arguing about without the unnecessary aggression. Again, not even gonna try to get into whether or not Goku is objectively a bad dad. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Dec 31, 2015 10:26
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Covok posted:Other than an abhorrent waste, is there any name for a drink that is a mix of beer and champagne? That'd be their fusion name. Black Velvet aka a Bismarck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Velvet_(beer_cocktail) Twiddy posted:Shut the gently caress up about bloodpacts! Who was being aggressive tho? 
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Dec 31, 2015 10:31
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Kild posted:Who was being aggressive tho?
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Dec 31, 2015 10:36
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Kelp Plankton posted:Vegeta is a good dad who takes his son to theme parks and gives him ice cream I wonder if goku or piccolo know what a theme park even is oh well, at least they can drive
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Dec 31, 2015 13:16
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Covok posted:The amount of combinations Heroes has managed is astounding. Waiting for Super Sayian 4 Super Baby Goku. Lets go crazy! It's stupid, but I really want to see their take on E: Yeah that too. VVVVV Mogomra fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Dec 31, 2015 15:23
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Mogomra posted:It's stupid, but I really want to see their take on
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Dec 31, 2015 15:49
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Manatee Cannon posted:I wonder if goku or piccolo know what a theme park even is For that matter, I'm willing to bet ChiChi doesn't know what a theme park is either.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:07
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The filler episode between RoF and the interdimensional tournament arc should be Trunks, ideally Future/Time Patrol Trunks taking the Son clan to a theme park.
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