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Count Bleck posted:
We'll know for sure when the notes come in for OGW, but I think you'll need to pay C. Quote for the new page:
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its cool, i like Count Bleck posted:
you have to pay (C), as Animar only reduces generic mana cost
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Dec 31, 2015 18:47
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Animar doesn't play well with ♦ cards because the mana is far too tight to be loving around with things that require Kessig or Caverns.
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Dec 31, 2015 18:53
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Angry Grimace posted:You do know that was just a joke I made right  sorry you made a joke that had enough of a logic to it to seem like a reasonable hypothesis
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Dec 31, 2015 18:54
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Would have thought there'd be more reaction to: I mean, I guess its better than Lavaclaw Reaches
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Dec 31, 2015 18:56
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yes, Oath of Druids is a reasonable card to reprint, and also i'm high as a loving kite y'all
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Dec 31, 2015 18:57
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JerryLee posted:Hey, remember when we thought they might be reprinting the Exodus oaths because the black one is the only one on the reserved list and they conspicuously excluded a black planeswalker from the cycle you want a full cycle reprinted where one of the cards is broken, 2 of them are bad, 1 is probably in the 50 worst cards ever printed, and only one is in a place where it's interesting and good but not broken? Okay man
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Dec 31, 2015 18:58
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Turn 3 Kozilek doesn't seem busted to me guys have I mentioned I am high
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Dec 31, 2015 18:59
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mandatory lesbian posted:yes, Oath of Druids is a reasonable card to reprint, and also i'm high as a loving kite y'all Watch them make a nerfed version called Oath of Nissa with awful flavour text. But yeah, anyone who thinks Oath of Druids is getting a Standard reprint is high as balls.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:01
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we can balance the reprinting of Oath of Druids by banning every creature
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Dec 31, 2015 19:01
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Angry Grimace posted:Would have thought there'd be more reaction to: I'd be way more excited if it had 1 power and a higher toughness.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:02
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Entropic posted:I'd be way more excited if it had 1 power and a higher toughness. Yeah honestly I'd be a lot more excited if this was a 1/4 with deathtouch. Don't worry, WotC never lets us down, the UR one will be completely broke, a 2/2 with flying and prowess for UR.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:03
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Elyv posted:you want a full cycle reprinted where one of the cards is broken, 2 of them are bad, 1 is probably in the 50 worst cards ever printed, and only one is in a place where it's interesting and good but not broken? Okay man It's such a weird cycle as well I don't get why a card draw/lich's tomb is in the and the constellation card doesn't seem to fit the mechanics at all. E: Nah actually that looks fine the reason it's a seven card cycle is so they can reprint it without the reserved list card or the silly one and still have one for every colour it's like they planned ahead for this set is that good fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Dec 31, 2015 19:05
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Elyv posted:you want a full cycle reprinted where one of the cards is broken, 2 of them are bad, 1 is probably in the 50 worst cards ever printed, and only one is in a place where it's interesting and good but not broken? Okay man Entropic posted:But yeah, anyone who thinks Oath of Druids is getting a Standard reprint is high as balls. well you folks must be really happy we have Oath of Jace to look forward to instead then  (I know, I'm excluding the middle)
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Dec 31, 2015 19:05
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Nah it'll have curiosity attached to it.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:07
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JerryLee posted:well you folks must be really happy we have Oath of Jace to look forward to instead then Did you seriously expect Oath of Druids and if so what are you smoking because it sounds amazing.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:07
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Count Bleck posted:Yeah honestly I'd be a lot more excited if this was a 1/4 with deathtouch. I'm betting on loot-when-you-hit-a-player-with-it. JerryLee posted:well you folks must be really happy we have Oath of Jace to look forward to instead then I'd be surprised if Wizards even remembered the existence of the original Oath cycle when designing these. People are way too eager to latch onto things with vaguely similar names and assume they must be related.
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Entropic posted:I'd be surprised if Wizards even remembered the existence of the original Oath cycle when designing these. People are way too eager to latch onto things with vaguely similar names and assume they must be related. There was probably some wishful thinking at work, but the only reason I started thinking "hmmmm..." instead of "wouldn't it be wacky if..." was the aforementioned omission of black, which seemed pretty odd if there wasn't some specific exterior reason for it. although in retrospect that reason is probably just "we can't have an icky MEAN character as part of the GOOD GUYS team!" e: watch there actually be an oath of ob nixilis even though he isn't allowed in the clubhouse JerryLee fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Dec 31, 2015 19:12
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JerryLee is conscientious of his lungs so he doesn't inhale, he does 2ci
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I tend to doubt the UR one has Prowess simply because there are 0 cards with Prowess in Battle for Zendikar block so far.
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Entropic posted:I'd be surprised if Wizards even remembered the existence of the original Oath cycle when designing these. People are way too eager to latch onto things with vaguely similar names and assume they must be related. eh the whole Oath of X thing and being enchantments make them seem likely to at least be a bit of a reference to the originals
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Dec 31, 2015 19:21
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So a 3/2 unblockable and a 3/3 that gets a counter when attacking are still stronger than these manlands. Cool.
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Entropic posted:I'd be surprised if Wizards even remembered the existence of the original Oath cycle when designing these. People are way too eager to latch onto things with vaguely similar names and assume they must be related. I'd be surprised if they didn't, the people in Wizards are old-school players. I would bet they decided "whatever it's been nearly 20 years we can make another cycle of oaths"(assuming there is a cycle, of course). Also I'd like to slightly modify my earlier statement, I think oath of scholars is a card that could be interesting and good now that it's possible to build blue decks that are not either pure control or combo. Also also, I don't have a problem with Oath of Jace mechanically in any way. I think the art is silly, the name is mediocre, and the flavor text is putrid, but a rare that is at an(imo) Standard playable power level, does not fit into any decks currently, and is playable but mediocre in limited is basically everything I want from a rare.
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Angry Grimace posted:
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Elyv posted:I'd be surprised if they didn't, the people in Wizards are old-school players. I would bet they decided "whatever it's been nearly 20 years we can make another cycle of oaths"(assuming there is a cycle, of course). Also I'd like to slightly modify my earlier statement, I think oath of scholars is a card that could be interesting and good now that it's possible to build blue decks that are not either pure control or combo. It's an okay card that is at least playable in draft. Caring about Mythics is weird, especially given that the Mythics in question are usually ones that just win if they're on the board.
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Elyv posted:I'd be surprised if they didn't, the people in Wizards are old-school players. I would bet they decided "whatever it's been nearly 20 years we can make another cycle of oaths"(assuming there is a cycle, of course). They're not really a "cycle of oaths" though, beyond the name. It would actually have been cool if they had called back to the old Oath cycle but made new ones for some/all of them, like what they did with the Leylines. Point taken that Oath of Jace is probably a fine constructed card.
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Oath of Jace is actually just a seed for the next set where they are going to reprint a functional update of Magical Hack but for permanent types.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:25
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In fairness, Shambling Vent does see Modern play anyways despite not being as good as Raging Ravine.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:26
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Angry Grimace posted:In fairness, Shambling Vent does see Modern play anyways despite not being as good as Raging Ravine. Isn't that mostly because it makes the burn matchup that much better?
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Dec 31, 2015 19:33
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Oath of douche can we call it oath of douche?
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For the sake of the Multiverse, I will keep watch.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:45
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Count Bleck posted:Isn't that mostly because it makes the burn matchup that much better? That and it is cheaper to activate. Raging Ravine is more powerful, but I'd actually wager that Shambling Vent is the better card.
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Count Bleck posted:Isn't that mostly because it makes the burn matchup that much better? Abzan's burn matchup is already kind of good though. Path to Exile's drawback is mostly meaningless, Kitchen Finks is frequently maindecked and always at least a sideboard option, and Siege Rhino pretty much stabilizes. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:Abzan's burn matchup is already kind of good though. Path to Exile's drawback is mostly meaningless, Kitchen Finks is frequently maindecked and always at least a sideboard option, and Siege Rhino pretty much stabilizes. It still isn't a steal though, the Abzan deck is clunky enough that it can get run over, but if it survive until turn 5, it tends to win.
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Madmarker posted:It still isn't a steal though, the Abzan deck is clunky enough that it can get run over, but if it survive until turn 5, it tends to win. Sure, but the actual reason Abzan plays Shambling Vent is because it's playing different manlands aren't really an option. If Raging Ravine was a G/B land, I imagine it would play 4 of them and 0 Vents and 0 Stirring Wildwood. The article spoiling Quagmire seemed to think it would see play over Stirring Wildwood, but if it does, its probably only because green/black lands are generally better. The lands being better for Jund is a big reason why Jund has seen a lot more play than Abzan. I actually think Abzan is a better deck because Lingering Souls is a bitch to deal with and it can grind out games with value, but Abzan doesn't have an equivalent for Blackcleave Cliffs or Raging Ravine.
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loving lol. Didn't take long for the hype train to go off the rails.
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AlternateNu posted:loving lol. Didn't take long for the hype train to go off the rails. I hate #mtgfinance.
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Angry Grimace posted:Sure, but the actual reason Abzan plays Shambling Vent is because it's playing different manlands aren't really an option. If Raging Ravine was a G/B land, I imagine it would play 4 of them and 0 Vents and 0 Stirring Wildwood. The article spoiling Quagmire seemed to think it would see play over Stirring Wildwood, but if it does, its probably only because green/black lands are generally better. Stirring Wildwood not dying to bolt is a pretty real point in it's favor though. Quagmire has deathtouch but can't even block a Snapcaster without dying. I'm trying to decide between slotting vents in over Wildwood in my abzan deck and I'm not sure it's necessary in a deck with things like siege rhino, etc.
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Elyv posted:is playable but mediocre in limited is basically everything I want from a rare. Has there ever been that exact card as a sorcery? Compulsive Research without the conditional discard 1? I'm guessing Divination is a better card most of the time.
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AlternateNu posted:loving lol. Didn't take long for the hype train to go off the rails. I just happen to have a random Eye of Ugin sitting in my binder. Nice.
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