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rabidsquid posted:But there's not an actual increased demand for the card so it's not like anyone is benefiting from it. It's literally just price memory on a card people aren't buying. Despite there not being much demand, it fucks over the same demand that was before (EDH, collectors, randoms who just want it for whatever reason). At least, that's how I see it.
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Serperoth posted:Despite there not being much demand, it fucks over the same demand that was before (EDH, collectors, randoms who just want it for whatever reason). At least, that's how I see it. Yeah, and that does suck although I tend to find it pretty easy to get that stuff for cheaper than list since nobody is actually buying it. If you don't like to haggle or don't know the price history on stuff and just go by tcg prices you're gonna get hosed by this stuff, which is lovely.
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rabidsquid posted:But there's not an actual increased demand for the card so it's not like anyone is benefiting from it. It's literally just price memory on a card people aren't buying. You can affect the price by changing the supply or the demand
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alansmithee posted:You can affect the price by changing the supply or the demand I think you're vastly underestimating the amount of cards sitting around in warehouses. Outside of old cards or p3k stuff I don't think this is realistically going to happen.
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rabidsquid posted:I think you're vastly underestimating the amount of cards sitting around in warehouses. Outside of old cards or p3k stuff I don't think this is realistically going to happen. The amount that exists isn't the issue, it's the amount available for sale--there's a lot of diamonds in the earth, but they're, y'know, in the earth, which doesn't do anyone much good. Cards in a random box in a kitchen table player's collection may as well not exist.
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I was only talking about cards owned by major retailers.
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You guys realize that you should be able to walk into a lgs and haggle right? If I needed a play set of secluded glen I am confident I could get it for less pre-spike price in stores that have them. Hell, now is probably a great time to pick up pricy playsets for big discounts. Sickening fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Sickening posted:You guys realize that you should be able to walk into a lgs and haggle right? If I needed a play set of secluded glen I am confident I could get it for less pre-spike price in stores that have them. And if the store doesn't haggle?
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TheKingofSprings posted:And if the store doesn't haggle? There is nothing you can do about stores that are run by morons.
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That's actually a cool card.
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Hey! Lookit' dat. Non-lovely flavor text.
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Count Bleck posted:I just happen to have a random Eye of Ugin sitting in my binder. Nice. I ended up getting one a while back for something like $2 so that is going straight on TCG to ride the hype train. I had 6-7 Eldrazi Temples from MM15 and it looks like they were in the pile of bulk that I sold off a couple months back  fake edit: I'm not into #mtg finance, but I will absolutely take advantage of something like this if the cards are lying around.
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This by itself might be enough to make Allies playable, though it's gonna be loving terrifying with Eldrazi decks too. It's like a poor man's Coat of Arms.
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Voyager I posted:This by itself might be enough to make Allies playable, though it's gonna be loving terrifying with Eldrazi decks too. equip cost 2 seems too much for that
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A big flaming stink posted:equip cost 2 seems too much for that Maybe, but I don't think Allies usually has much to do with its mana once their hand is played out. Not sure about the BG Manland. Deathtouch is not a great ability for a 2/2, but lategame an extra land could very well be worth less than the creature you can trade it for.
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I like it, I've been brewing Aristocrats in modern with a human/vampire sub theme that might use this, won't fall off Cartel Aristocrat either. Also bought Eyes of Ugin a few days ago since that Modern deck looks fun. A spike crossed my mind actually. Edit: put it on a Changeling!
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A big flaming stink posted:equip cost 2 seems too much for that The problem with equipment is that it has to be overpowered to see play, even in limited (or have an additional playable mechanic attached to it like Living Weapon). I honestly don't even see why they make it outside of artifact themed sets, really. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:The problem with equipment is that it has to be overpowered to see play, even in limited (or have an additional playable mechanic attached to it like Living Weapon). I honestly don't even see why they make it outside of artifact themed sets, really. What do you mean by "overpowered"? For instance, Trusty Machete was great in Zen limited and Adventuring Gear was still pretty good
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Angry Grimace posted:The problem with equipment is that it has to be overpowered to see play, even in limited (or have an additional playable mechanic attached to it like Living Weapon). I honestly don't even see why they make it outside of artifact themed sets, really. I think they serve a purpose in limited, making small top deck creatures more relevant so players don't get shut out by sweepers or removal heavy decks.
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Elyv posted:What do you mean by "overpowered"? For instance, Trusty Machete was great in Zen limited and Adventuring Gear was still pretty good I mean like Bonesplitter. But even Trusty Machete is like 1 equip cost off of just being Bonesplitter and they don't print stuff like that much. I mean, I don't know that Butcher's Cleaver on an Invisible Stalker really counts because that's just a cute combo. It's not like Butcher's Cleaver was particularly good unless you were doing crap like that. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:I mean like Bonesplitter. So how do you feel about Trusty Machete and Adventuring Gear?
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How many creatures of the same type do you need to control for this to be good? Four? If drafting an all-allies deck is actually possible and good, this could be as good as Ghostfire Blade was in Limited.
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p sure sfm has done better
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Why is New Kozilek $13? Is it because of the weird mana cost, or do people not like to speculate on huge creatures? He is, when cast, an uncounterable hand refill, and if he makes it into play, your hand is full of lands or counterspells...
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If there are good common ally token makers it should be good in limited. I would say the magic number is 4 (so +3/+3)
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Gensuki posted:Why is New Kozilek $13? Because the ramp deck that would play him only really wants him as a replacement for when Ulamog gets hit by Infinite Obliteration. Linvala being $12 in preorder is just as mystifying to me. I mean, casual appeal, okay, but how many people are pre-ordering big flashy limited bombs to play at the kitchen table? The only thing I even bothered to get was Goblin Dark-Dwellers because they obviously rule and cost 2 dollars. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:Because the ramp deck that would play him only really wants him as a replacement for when Ulamog gets hit by Infinite Obliteration. That one I think is because she fits into a UW control deck very well. Hard to remove, split between two bodies, one being a 5/5, one being a 3/3 . You will be down on life v any aggro deck or midrange deck. You will be down on creatures v any aggro or midrange deck. The odds of both of her abilities being on is pretty high. 8 flying power and gaining 5 life can save you a lot of the time, and 6 mana in this standard isn't that crazy.
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It seems to play directly against the usual control strategy of wiping the board before playing your finisher though.
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Well, you wipe the board, they rebuild, then you rebuild "better" maybe? Does Linvala count herself in her ability? Like if they have one bear, do you not get angel buddy?
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Hey can't you use Deceiver of Form with that tutor Eldrazi to put Emrakul/Ulamog on top of your library
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TheKingofSprings posted:Hey can't you use Deceiver of Form with that tutor Eldrazi to put Emrakul/Ulamog on top of your library Isn't that a plauge wind on yourself given the legendary clause? (e: I mean assuming attacking with a single Ulamog isn't good enough)
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Gensuki posted:Well, you wipe the board, they rebuild, then you rebuild "better" maybe? I think that's right yeah. I'd rather have Wingate Roc for now, but maybe she'll appeal more post rotation?
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Entropic posted:It seems to play directly against the usual control strategy of wiping the board before playing your finisher though. Well, you wipe the board on 4 or 5 mana, then when you get to 6 mana and play this, you get a bonus if they'd started to rebuild. If they didn't significantly repopulate their board since you wrathed, then you're probably also pretty happy with that situation. The only reason to be unhappy with Linvala in these sorts of situations is if they played exactly one threat that, by itself, outmatches a 5/5 flier that also comes with five free life, which is possible... Will it be the best candidate for the role rather than just being one you're rarely unhappy with? I have no idea. efb by Gensuki
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Rinkles posted:Isn't that a plauge wind on yourself given the legendary clause? (e: I mean assuming attacking with a single Ulamog isn't good enough) If you're punching with a 15/15 Spellskite I'm not sure you care
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Saying Oath of Jace just puts "Ace of Bass" in my head.
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Stoneforge Masterwork might be playable in a standard goblins deck with lots o' tokens. Shame about all those sweepers in format though.
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