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Is that a serious real book? Because it sounds like a spoof, I mean come on!
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48 hour work week?! Think of all the overtime that you'd wrack up! Nuclear holocaust can't come soon enough! Think of the awesome vacation you'd be able to take with all that extra money!
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Dec 30, 2015 15:21
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That passage is legitimately funny. Talk about continuity of government...
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Dec 30, 2015 15:57
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Comrade Koba posted:This article is pretty much a must-read if you're the least bit interested in the Sentinelese: Been catching up on this thread and wanted to post that this is a fascinating article but is it missing the rest of it? It sort of just ends
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Dec 30, 2015 17:38
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Basticle posted:Been catching up on this thread and wanted to post that this is a fascinating article but is it missing the rest of it? It sort of just ends I think that's how it ends, unfortunately. Unless they left out the ending on purpose, AFAIK it's a reprint of a magazine article.
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Dec 30, 2015 23:24
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Rondette posted:Is that a serious real book? Because it sounds like a spoof, I mean come on! Continuity-of-government stuff is a neverending rabbit hole of depressing hilarity. You can spend days sifting through the reams of material output on the theme of What To Do After Nuclear War. Even the most optimistic assessments I've read basically state "it will take decades to recover to pre-attack conditions". (Of course, the pessimistic ones are "Well, we're all hosed, but for gods sake don't tell the civilians that.") If you're interested, look for government depositories near you -- where the government deposits copies of various documents. They'll probably have all the nuclear war material you could ever want, and then some.
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Dec 30, 2015 23:44
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I grabbed a copy of that book from my local library. Looking forward to reading it.
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Dec 31, 2015 01:00
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shelley posted:Even the most optimistic assessments I've read basically state "it will take decades to recover to pre-attack conditions". (Of course, the pessimistic ones are "Well, we're all hosed, but for gods sake don't tell the civilians that.") Very similar to assessments about what would happen following a gigantic solar flare. One almost hit the earth in July 2012 without anyone really knowing and NASA released a press statement 2 years later basically saying "LOL that was close guys!" http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/23jul_superstorm/ quote:July 23, 2014: If an asteroid big enough to knock modern civilization back to the 18th century appeared out of deep space and buzzed the Earth-Moon system, the near-miss would be instant worldwide headline news. quote:"I have come away from our recent studies more convinced than ever that Earth and its inhabitants were incredibly fortunate that the 2012 eruption happened when it did," says Baker. "If the eruption had occurred only one week earlier, Earth would have been in the line of fire. quote:Analysts believe that a direct hit by an extreme CME such as the one that missed Earth in July 2012 could cause widespread power blackouts, disabling everything that plugs into a wall socket. Most people wouldn't even be able to flush their toilet because urban water supplies largely rely on electric pumps. quote:In February 2014, physicist Pete Riley of Predictive Science Inc. published a paper in Space Weather entitled "On the probability of occurrence of extreme space weather events." In it, he analyzed records of solar storms going back 50+ years. By extrapolating the frequency of ordinary storms to the extreme, he calculated the odds that a Carrington-class storm would hit Earth in the next ten years.
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Dec 31, 2015 07:11
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Rondette posted:Is that a serious real book? Because it sounds like a spoof, I mean come on! Its a real book, I have it but haven't read it yet. http://www.amazon.com/The-Day-After-World-War/dp/0670258806
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Dec 31, 2015 10:42
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Also check out The Day After, the hugely controversial 1983 TV movie about a nuclear war. It is relatively realistic and grim. It apparently helped to change Reagan's mind about nuclear weapons. I think Mrs Thatcher attempted to prevent it being shown on British tv because she believed that nuclear weapons were the only defense against Soviet invasion of Europe and that the film would make more people anti-nuclear. You can find the film on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZhjpHYjZpc Here is the Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After I can recommend it but it isn't a light watch..... 
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Dec 31, 2015 11:02
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A cruise ship elevator repairman forgot to lock the elevator before working on it, so someone decided to use it, and, well, this happened (graphic): http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/12/31/carnival-crewmember-elevator-accident-death-florida-pkg.wftx
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Dec 31, 2015 11:16
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Maggie Fletcher posted:A cruise ship elevator repairman forgot to lock the elevator before working on it, so someone decided to use it, and, well, this happened (graphic):
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Dec 31, 2015 15:59
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Stare-Out posted:That's horrifying but loving hell I hate modern news reporting, everyone involved in that is kind of a piece of poo poo from the guy filming the incident (it was like from The Shining, you don't say) to the reporter talking about a man's gruesome death in a sing-songy reporter voice. Its nothing new. I seem to remember reporters shoving camera's into family member's faces after some sort of terrorist situation or something in the 70's literal seconds after they had found out that all of the hostages were killed.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:19
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I'm 100% not watching that, but can someone describe it in words? edit: or is the video just of people describing what happened? I'm guessing CNN isn't big into gore videos but I don't want to be wrong.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:29
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effervescible posted:I'm 100% not watching that, but can someone describe it in words? An elevator smooshed a guy. There are gory pictures with blood dripping from the ceiling. It is gross and sensational and not even really newsworthy except for the gore.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:30
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Oh jeez. Glad I didn't click on it then. Thanks.
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Stare-Out posted:That's horrifying but loving hell I hate modern news reporting, everyone involved in that is kind of a piece of poo poo from the guy filming the incident (it was like from The Shining, you don't say) to the reporter talking about a man's gruesome death in a sing-songy reporter voice. And the reporter's talking that way because it's literally her job to be consistent and unemotional while reading the news.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:34
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RNG posted:An elevator smooshed a guy. There are gory pictures with blood dripping from the ceiling. It is gross and sensational and not even really newsworthy except for the gore. Everything is news worthy if its captured on video. Thats why all day yesterday we got to watch Mike Tyson fall off a hoverboard.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:36
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sinking belle posted:I don't know what possesses people to to whip out the camera when they witness the aftermath of someone's brutal death but tbh I don't think a guy who saw a traumatic thing is a "piece of poo poo" for using a common cultural reference to try to describe the horror of what he saw. Are people who describe natural disasters as being "of biblical proportions" pieces of poo poo, too?
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Dec 31, 2015 17:47
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The little half-smile he has while being interviewed is kinda weird but yeah.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:59
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Solice Kirsk posted:Its nothing new. I seem to remember reporters shoving camera's into family member's faces after some sort of terrorist situation or something in the 70's literal seconds after they had found out that all of the hostages were killed. I remember being disgusted watching reporters do this to the families of the victims of the Lockerbie bombing. Could this be what you're thinking of? Most of the families were waiting at or had just arrived at the airport if I remember right when the announcement came through that there were no survivors. Cue jackal-faced reporters shoving mics into the melting faces of mothers / fathers / sisters / brothers who had just learned their loved ones were scattered all over the Scottish countryside. Even worse, a large group of those dead were a high school class on a trip.
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Dec 31, 2015 18:01
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Pastey posted:I remember being disgusted watching reporters do this to the families of the victims of the Lockerbie bombing. Could this be what you're thinking of? That's exactly it. Pretty sure it was from this thread too.
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Dec 31, 2015 18:50
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Solice Kirsk posted:That's exactly it. Pretty sure it was from this thread too. It's totally cool to hide behind "I was only doing my job," as long as you're willing to admit that you chose that job and would feel completely disadvantaged doing anything else.
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This made the rounds of the internet when it was new, but I'm not sure it's been in this thread and it certainly belongs here. From 2013, Reuters' investigative series into the widespread practice of "rehoming" adopted children, especially from international adoptions: http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1quote:Through Yahoo and Facebook groups, parents and others advertise the unwanted children and then pass them to strangers with little or no government scrutiny, sometimes illegally, a Reuters investigation has found. It is a largely lawless marketplace. Often, the children are treated as chattel, and the needs of parents are put ahead of the welfare of the orphans they brought to America.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:21
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RNG posted:It's totally cool to hide behind "I was only doing my job," as long as you're willing to admit that you chose that job and would feel completely disadvantaged doing anything else. My point is, sometimes even really nice people can get tunnel vision when they're doing a job, especially when they're used to seeing a lot of disturbing things. It's easy to forget when you're immersed in breaking news that you're wading into the middle of other people's personal tragedies.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:30
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pookel posted:I know a guy who used to be a small-town reporter - small enough that he was also a photographer. He's a kind, sensitive guy. Always concerned about the right thing to do and concerned about the welfare of the people in the news stories he writes. He told me about a car wreck he covered as a reporter. The car was full of teenagers driving recklessly at night, and they'd gone off the road and rammed into something - I can't remember what, maybe a building? - at high speeds while one kid had her head stuck out a window. The results were gruesome, as you might imagine. He was taking a million pictures, as you're taught to do, getting up close, trying different angles, zooming in on key focal points of the scene, when he glanced up and noticed the parents of the girl whose head had been crushed standing there glaring at him. He quit taking pictures and made a point of not using any of the graphic ones he'd taken. Go and watch Nightcrawler also, This guy sounds a bit like the character at the very start. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8kYDQan8bw
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Rondette posted:Go and watch Nightcrawler also, This guy sounds a bit like the character at the very start. I didn't like Nightcrawler when I first saw it, but the more I read this thread the more I'm realizing that it really was an excellent movie. It just seemed too unrealistic to me at the time.
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pookel posted:I know a guy who used to be a small-town reporter - small enough that he was also a photographer. He's a kind, sensitive guy. Always concerned about the right thing to do and concerned about the welfare of the people in the news stories he writes. He told me about a car wreck he covered as a reporter. The car was full of teenagers driving recklessly at night, and they'd gone off the road and rammed into something - I can't remember what, maybe a building? - at high speeds while one kid had her head stuck out a window. The results were gruesome, as you might imagine. He was taking a million pictures, as you're taught to do, getting up close, trying different angles, zooming in on key focal points of the scene, when he glanced up and noticed the parents of the girl whose head had been crushed standing there glaring at him. He quit taking pictures and made a point of not using any of the graphic ones he'd taken. I work for a small town paper. Thankfully while I've been here nothing spectacularly gross has happened. We've had car wrecks, fires, a plane crash and a handful of murders, but thanks to our shoddy funding, we don't have the manpower to be out at 3 a.m. and no one forces the issue. That said, there is no doubt about it that our best selling issues are about crime. People complain that we don't have feel-good stuff - we do and often - but they are the same folks who buy stacks about robberies and share our Facebook when the local spa is busted for the workers offering happy endings. As mentioned, media used to be a whole lot worse about intrusion. Gory pictures were all over the place (and articles; our paper used to be loaded with front page out-of-state stories on mass murders) and it wasn't just news outlets. Read some old archives and you'll find traveling exhibitions, such as the purported Bonnie and Clyde death car, filled with bullet holes. I guess traveling circus human exhibitions fall into that category as well.
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Pastey posted:Even worse, a large group of those dead were a high school class on a trip. My aunt was the travel agent who arranged that trip and booked those tickets. After the disaster she emigrated to Australia and had a nervous breakdown. 
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Dec 31, 2015 23:03
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Pastey posted:I remember being disgusted watching reporters do this to the families of the victims of the Lockerbie bombing. Could this be what you're thinking of? I made the mistake of watching the clip when it was posted before and learnt the two most gut-wrenching words in the English language..."my baby"
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pookel posted:This made the rounds of the internet when it was new, but I'm not sure it's been in this thread and it certainly belongs here. From 2013, Reuters' investigative series into the widespread practice of "rehoming" adopted children, especially from international adoptions: http://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1 I can't find it now but I remember reading an article about an American woman (couple?) adopting a Chinese toddler with severe emotional problems and not being able to cope. Her issues were way too much for them to take care of and one day after she found the girl smearing her feces on the walls the mother snapped and killed her. It was really harrowing to read because the woman came off as a totally normal person who was so overwhelmed by the situation that she just snapped. There's a Google story about a Spanish couple that murdered their Chinese daughter in Oct that's obscuring Google results so I'm not sure how else to find it.
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When it comes to media and reporters and such it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Reporters/media will report on disgusting poo poo, people will watch disgusting poo poo in droves, meaning the media will report more on disgusting poo poo. As long as people are willing to watch and talk about disgusting poo poo they saw on the news, the news will continue to report on disgusting poo poo. At least there was some backlash to this nowadays when some reporters went into a shooters house after the San Banardino shooting and filmed everything in the house like a bunch of idiotic vultures.
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Madkal posted:When it comes to media and reporters and such it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Reporters/media will report on disgusting poo poo, people will watch disgusting poo poo in droves, meaning the media will report more on disgusting poo poo. As long as people are willing to watch and talk about disgusting poo poo they saw on the news, the news will continue to report on disgusting poo poo. I think I remember reading about how they broadcasted one of the shooters' mother's license on TV for all to see. Found a link: http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/4/9850470/san-bernardino-shooting-cable-news-mother-doxx quote:The most controversial moment arrived when an MSNBC crew obtained a driver's license belonging to Farook's mother, who was not involved in the shooting and has not been accused of any crime. Displaying the license to the camera, crews revealed her birthday, height, weight, full name, and address, potentially endangering her safety should anyone seek retribution for the attack.
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Nckdictator posted:Excerpt from Ed Zuckerman's early 1980's book The Day After World War III That book is amazing and creepy as gently caress
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I just binged on this thread start to finish over the last couple of days. I, uh, I don't recommend such a condensed pace. For content: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34857015 Basically all of our antibiotics will become ineffective and medicine will regress to pre-penicillin levels.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:I think Mrs Thatcher attempted to prevent it being shown on British tv because she believed that nuclear weapons were the only defense against Soviet invasion of Europe and that the film would make more people anti-nuclear.
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I don't think any of the planners really believed that there would be any semblance of society left after a nuclear war. There was a review of Herman Kahn's On Thermonuclear War which essentially said that his attempt to portray a 'winning' (winning is a bit of a stretch, since even his best case scenarios involved a lot of dead people) nuclear strategy was a strategy in itself. By convincing your own populace that a nuclear war was survivable, you simultaneously convinced the enemy that your own country believes it could survive a nuclear war, and so making it seem more likely (to the enemy) that your own country would preemptively strike first (against hostile maneuvers, i.e. Cuban Missile Crisis) even in the face of a guaranteed counter-strike, or counter-strike against an enemy's first-strike even though your country probably would not be around to see the results of that retaliation. So counter-intuitively, arguing that a nuclear war was survivable (even at great cost), or otherwise making gestures that would imply it--building fallout shelters to 'duck and cover', was itself a strategy to reduce the possibility of nuclear war.
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pookel posted:My point is, sometimes even really nice people can get tunnel vision when they're doing a job, especially when they're used to seeing a lot of disturbing things. It's easy to forget when you're immersed in breaking news that you're wading into the middle of other people's personal tragedies. I didn't mean to come off so snappy, sorry. Some folks enter professions that involve a lot of morally grey choices and handwave them away with "just doing my job."
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Pastey posted:I remember being disgusted watching reporters do this to the families of the victims of the Lockerbie bombing. Could this be what you're thinking of? In that same vein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierre_coach_crash This happened back in 2012. The cause of the crash still hasn't been determined. Back then I was a Red Cross volunteer, and a few of us went to one of the schools where memorial stuff and a registry was set up to help out where needed, and a lot of people showed up to mourn. Media(both national and international) was present in full force, and pretty much jamming cameras and mics in front of grieving people for interviews or questions, often not even giving them a chance to say no. The memorial ceremony a week later was even worse with this apparently. I get that you want coverage, but there's no need to force yourself onto people paying their respects.
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