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Irony Be My Shield posted:My main question is whether Oath of Nissa could be good in modern. The power level seems fairly close to Serum Visions in creature heavy decks and it does help to cast LotV. My guess is that Jund would happily play serum visions if it could - which this wouldn't quite be in that deck - but maybe it's close enough.
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A green serum visions in the context of jund is actually a little scary. (though again, it might not be quite that powerful)
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Jan 1, 2016 21:55
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Irony Be My Shield posted:My main question is whether Oath of Nissa could be good in modern. The power level seems fairly close to Serum Visions in creature heavy decks and it does help to cast LotV. I'm mostly talking about that Sphinx, which isn't going to see play while Ojutai is around. Ojutai is an actual interesting card that promotes a different kind of gameplay than the typical blue I Win card because it gives you a legit option to race your opponent. As a jund/abzan player I would say no to Oath because the decks already have several valid Turn 1 plays with Thoughtseize/IOK or even Bolt when the opponent drops a Hierarch or something. Getting a T1 IOK or Thoughtseize is just the most ideal play and I can't see replacing any of those or Path/Bolt. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 22:05
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Rinkles posted:My guess is that Jund would happily play serum visions if it could - which this wouldn't quite be in that deck - but maybe it's close enough. Jund also plays a plainswalker 4x of that isn't always easy to cast. Angry Grimace posted:I'm mostly talking about that Sphinx, which isn't going to see play while Ojutai is around. Ojutai is an actual interesting card that promotes a different kind of gameplay than the typical blue I Win card because it gives you a legit option to race your opponent. Basically this is my first thought as well. However one of jund's biggest weaknesses is that it has no filtering and is totally reliant to what is off the top of the deck. I could see playing around with triming a few things to give it a whirl. Sickening fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 22:17
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Sickening posted:Jund also plays a plainswalker 4x of that isn't always easy to cast. But I would say that Jund's biggest strength is that it doesn't really need filtering because it's greatest strength is sheer card quality. That's why Liliana is so good in the deck: nothing really beats Jund/k in topdeck mode.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:23
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Oath of Nissa can totally be a 4 of simply because. A) Essentially a Green Ponder. B) The Legendary Rule means you toss them in the yard, which fuels Delve. C) They let you get greedy with mana but still allow you to cast Gideon on turn 4 without fear of choking on mana. I'm buying 4 when they release. They're really good. I'm also legit surprised one of the cycle isn't poo poo. Hopefully the only bad one is the blue one. Edit: Also that's not even a Fumarole what the gently caress it's a giant rock worm. Wandering Pinnacle would've made more sense. Count Bleck fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 22:23
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Rinkles posted:My guess is that Jund would happily play serum visions if it could - which this wouldn't quite be in that deck - but maybe it's close enough. But that means you can't play IOK or thought seize turn 1. 
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Jan 1, 2016 22:27
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Angry Grimace posted:But I would say that Jund's biggest strength is that it doesn't really need filtering because it's greatest strength is sheer card quality. That's why Liliana is so good in the deck: nothing really beats Jund/k in topdeck mode. Jund card quality is definitely the strength of the deck for sure. I look forward to testing out this card in some of the discard slots though. Although turn 1 inquisition/thoughsieze is the hotness, they are also cards that don't play well off the top of the deck in a lot of matchups. Hell, game 2 and 3 against leyline sideboards can be disgusting and a card like this can maybe balance out the 75 a little better. Its hard to say for sure if it will fit or not right now.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:35
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Since it's a cantrip, I'll be surprised if it doesn't make it as at least a one of in the list if not two. Also, I'll be surprised if this doesn't end up being at least ten bucks.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:38
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Elyv posted:so the interesting thing about this is that it is bad against bolt in a somewhat counterintuitive way. If you try to switch to a 4/1 and they bolt in response to the activation that turns it into a 4/1, the stack will look like this: bolt's not in standard
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Jan 1, 2016 22:40
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Angry Grimace posted:As a jund/abzan player I would say no to Oath because the decks already have several valid Turn 1 plays with Thoughtseize/IOK or even Bolt when the opponent drops a Hierarch or something. Getting a T1 IOK or Thoughtseize is just the most ideal play and I can't see replacing any of those or Path/Bolt. Grixis manages to blay both + the cantrip.
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:bolt's not in standard That's not actually relevant.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:42
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:bolt's not in standard This card's going to show up in Modern, too. And shock does the same thing in standard.
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Count Bleck posted:Edit: Also that's not even a Fumarole what the gently caress it's a giant rock worm. 
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Jan 1, 2016 22:43
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It's green anticipate, it's not ponder. Also, it doesn't let you grab instants or sorceries, which means that jund may very well not actually want it. It'll be great in standard, where G/x decks are always hugely creature focused, but I don't know if the inability to find interactive cards is worth playing it in modern, where not interacting means you're either a combo deck or dead. I guess the question is whether very limited card filtering is good enough in a format where those limitations matter a lot more than in standard. I don't play jund or junk or whatever, so I can't claim to be an expert, but I don't think it'll work out.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:54
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Visions in grixis also has the added benefits of fueling delve (per copy) and being flashbackable with Snapy/Jace.
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Jan 1, 2016 22:58
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BizarroAzrael posted:I really hope black gets something in the Oath space. If I were a whimsical magical elf like MaRo, I'd probably make it something like: Oath of Bobby Nixon - 2B When ~ ETB, target player discards 2 cards unless they discard a planeswalker card. On your upkeep, each opponent loses 2 life for each planeswalker they have in play. Blah blah blah I will rule or destroy every plane, gently caress all y'all. Or some other flavor of "Punish opponent unless they lose a planeswalker in some way, and then punish them further for owning planeswalkers", to serve as the anti-Oaths of the others. Archenteron fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 22:59
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Melira/CoCo decks, then.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:00
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BizarroAzrael posted:I really hope black gets something in the Oath space. I hope it's just Ob swearing to kill every living being in the multiverse. Have him doing the goofy little hand sign and everything.
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TheKingofSprings posted:This card's going to show up in Modern, too. Shock's not in standard 
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Fish Of Doom posted:I hope it's just Ob swearing to kill every living being in the multiverse. Have him doing the goofy little hand sign and everything. Giving the finger, preferably
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Jan 1, 2016 23:08
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Bobby Nixon is the only entertaining character so obviously he dies in this arc.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:09
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Angry Grimace posted:nothing really beats Jund/k in topdeck mode. I mostly play BGx midrange decks in modern and I lose all the goddamn time to tron and scapeshift in top deck mode. Makes me so angry 
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Jan 1, 2016 23:22
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Molybdenum posted:I mostly play BGx midrange decks in modern and I lose all the goddamn time to tron and scapeshift in top deck mode. Makes me so angry Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 23:28
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If we're talking about modern the Ponder comparison is irrelevant. Ponder is banned, and a far inferior card is a major staple. Anticipate is a stronger effect (IE, ignoring cost) than Serum Visions so I guess the question is how many misses can you have before Oath of Nissa becomes too bad.
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Fish Of Doom posted:I hope it's just Ob swearing to kill every living being in the multiverse. Have him doing the goofy little hand sign and everything. It's probably just that goofy black sorcery that's already been spoiled. It has a quote from him and the card art features all the walkers in the cool kids club.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:55
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Angry Grimace posted:Well Tron is a sucky matchup but I have no explanation for the Scapeshift thing. Scapeshift just needs to rip one card off of the top and they win, and there's nothing Jund can do about that
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Jan 1, 2016 23:59
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Irony Be My Shield posted:If we're talking about modern the Ponder comparison is irrelevant. Ponder is banned, and a far inferior card is a major staple. Anticipate is a stronger effect (IE, ignoring cost) than Serum Visions so I guess the question is how many misses can you have before Oath of Nissa becomes too bad. Except Serum Visions is in a completely different color and does a completely different thing so that's not actually the question at all. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 23:59
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It has a very similar function - increasing card quality. It's in a different colour but it's a function that basically every deck wants. e: other than hard aggro
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Irony Be My Shield posted:If we're talking about modern the Ponder comparison is irrelevant. Ponder is banned, and a far inferior card is a major staple. Anticipate is a stronger effect (IE, ignoring cost) than Serum Visions so I guess the question is how many misses can you have before Oath of Nissa becomes too bad. It's about a bit more than just missing. A lot of times a hit with a land (and say 2 instants) won't be worth much more than missing.
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When I say "misses" I mean in the deck. If you theoretically had a deck that played 59 creatures/planeswalkers Oath is clearly a great 60th card and stronger than Serum Visions. So the question is how many unhittable cards (leading to scenarios like that) can you add before it becomes too bad to play.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:10
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I'm glad we're topping off the Most Expensive Standard Ever with one-mana card filtering cantrips being moved from common to rare.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:When I say "misses" I mean in the deck. If you theoretically had a deck that played 59 creatures/planeswalkers Oath is clearly a great 60th card and stronger than Serum Visions. So the question is how many unhittable cards (leading to scenarios like that) can you add before it becomes too bad to play. Elvish Spirit Guide to cast it? (sorry)
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Jan 2, 2016 00:12
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No kidding. Non-exciting, utility potential 4-of at rare. For flavour reasons.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:13
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I doubt any rare in an expedition set will get too expensive.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:15
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I doubt any rare in an expedition set will get too expensive. Depends on what you consider too expensive. This could have pennies at common, half a dollar at uncommon.
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Goddamn 8th Edition Draft is some poo poo right there No seriously if you think BFZ drafts are loving horrible I encourage you to log onto MTGO and try 8th Edition Draft I mean what in the actual gently caress Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Jan 2, 2016 00:21
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This green Ponder also makes you reveal the card, which is not as good.
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another leak, phoneposting so no picture Watchful Mystic G Creature -- Elf Druid T: Add G to your mana pool. T: Add G to your mana pool for each planeswalker you control. Mythic Rare e: the flavor text is "In the name of liberty, we will watch our planeswalker friends kill the eldrazi at the gate. oaths" Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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