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Bongo Bill posted:When he woke up in response to Rey arriving, for one. This has been explained and it's not any sort of dumb midichlorian detection, thank gently caress
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R2 was only in low power mode, not off. He was listening the whole time, and when he heard someone say the First Order found the rest of the map in the Imperial Archives, he searched in his memory for it. And found it.
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Solfrann posted:R2 was only in low power mode, not off. He was listening the whole time, and when he heard someone say the First Order found the rest of the map in the Imperial Archives, he searched in his memory for it. And found it. I don't think that was ever said to R2. What was said is that they only have part of the map, and this was long before he turned back on.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:43
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guys it's simple: qui-gon told him to turn back on.
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Jan 1, 2016 23:45
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People were clapping because the base was destroyed and it turned out r2 had a clapper installed.
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computer parts posted:I don't think that was ever said to R2. What was said is that they only have part of the map, and this was long before he turned back on. Yeah, that may have been left out of the movie. I read it in the book. My mistake.
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Artoo is waiting for something, but why does he need to be in low power mode anyways?
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Artoo is waiting for something, but why does he need to be in low power mode anyways? Because he is meditating.
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R2-D2 was preprogrammed by Anakin to shut down and turn back on at the exact times required to protect him and end the empire once and for all, for he is the prophet who brought balance to the force. He even explains it all personally: Cut scene from the screenplay posted:
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"a little girl carrying a big heavy man on her back?!?! MARY SUE!!!!!"
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I already made this joke !!
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Neurolimal posted:Well people have so far explained the visual, subtexual, and technical differences between the two, so if those aren't his complaint then I don't know what it is. It's part of a broader point that I've been working towards: Force Awakens does not function as a sequel to Return Of The Jedi, on any level. For all the talk about 'destroying the prequels', Force Awakens is absolutely loaded with prequel references. There are so many references that the film effectively hybridizes the prequels with Episodes 4 & 5: Maz is a combination of Jar Jar and Yoda; Rey is a combination of Luke and Young Anakin; Ren combines Darth Vader and Hayden Christensen; etc. The list goes on and on. However, there's one film that's almost completely ignored: Episode 6. Ackbar and Lando's copilot are trotted out in a few scenes, but that's it. There are no other references to the imagery and themes of that film. Return Of The Jedi is only acknowledged through a bare minimum of plot continuity: Vader is dead (and I believe Leia calls Luke 'brother' at some point), but the story is retconned out of existence. In other words, the 'viewing order' that makes the most sense is now 4 5 7. You can jump straight from the end of ESB to "Luke Skywalker has vanished." and the entire narrative will make infinitely more sense. Think of where the characters are at the end of ESB: Han is torn away from Leia, forced back into the criminal life on the other side of the galaxy; Chewbacca has left to help Han; Luke is full of uncertainty about his place in the universe; Vader's still searching for an apprentice... This is exactly where they all are at the start of Force Awakens. It's as if Episode 6 simply didn't happen. This destruction of Episode 6 has a large impact on to narrative structure of Star Wars. Without it, you have no ring, no cycle. There's no point where the narrative ends, and then loops back to Episode 1. Force Awakens retcons things so that Vader was never crucified. The narrative is now fully linear, and keeps chugging along without an end in sight. Bongo Bill posted:Exactly. They could have filmed R2 using a midichlorian detector to respond to someone who has a high power level, but instead they chose to film R2 using the Force to respond to someone who has a destiny. R2 cannot 'use the Force' in a traditional sense, because he doesn't have the midichlorians that give a Jedi their special powers. However, like Grievous, R2 doesn't need midichlorians because he can access the Force through technology. Real fans should recall that R2 entered a passive scanning mode before, in Attack Of The Clones (though Lucas makes a point of him being unable to detect the centipedes). SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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The correct viewing order is 4561237, because large swathes of pointless PT references dont work or have no effect if you haven't seen the originals, and that is more important than adhering to chronology. There's been very little talk about "destroying the prequels". This is the paranoid delusions of a posting personality backed into a corner. Nobody cares about your "which combination of old and 00's star wars characters are you!" quiz results
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JonathonSpectre posted:He's doing it all the time, he just doesn't have arms so you don't see the hand gestures. How is any of that "force use"?
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R2 cannot use The Force but The Force can sure as hell use him.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's part of a broader point that I've been working towards: 
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Neurolimal posted:The correct viewing order is 4561237, because large swathes of pointless PT references dont work or have no effect if you haven't seen the originals, and that is more important than adhering to chronology. No, they do work. Arguably some work better, like how Palpatine in TPM doesn't spoil the surprise of him being the Emperor/a Sith Lord. computer parts fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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remember when supermechagodzilla used to come up with funny interpretations of bad movies?
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jivjov posted:How is any of that "force use"? He's acting intuitively in flow with the universe, like how Han successfully performs feats of flying which should be impossible or how Luke destroyed the Death Star with a astromically precise manually aimed shot. The Force doesn't begin and end with using psychic powers to murder people as the old Jedi order seemed to believe
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A Steampunk Gent posted:He's acting intuitively in flow with the universe, like how Han successfully performs feats of flying which should be impossible or how Luke destroyed the Death Star with a astromically precise manually aimed shot. The Force doesn't begin and end with using psychic powers to murder people as the old Jedi order seemed to believe Alright, but that still doesn't mean that R2 is /using/ the force. He can't commune with it, he has no blood and thus no midichlorians.
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computer parts posted:No, they do work. What's the point of pointing out and identifying the character named Chewbacca in ROTS? What is his character arc? What does he do that a generic wookie couldn't also do?
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R2 isn't loving using the god damned force the loving idiot loving wizard spirit soul magic is using R2 gently caress.
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What gender is R2-D2, and is it logical for him to be gendered? Please respond in 500 characters or more
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Neurolimal posted:What's the point of pointing out and identifying the character named Chewbacca in ROTS? What is his character arc? What does he do that a generic wookie couldn't also do? He is a generic wookie, just a named generic wookie. What you're arguing is actually the opposite - it makes less sense for Chewbacca, first mate of the Millennium Falcon to have interacted with Yoda. But if you've never seen the OT before, you don't know that.
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psure the point of putting Chewtoy in ROTS is to cash in on that nostalgia that Lucas is all of a sudden not a fan of doing.
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computer parts posted:He is a generic wookie, just a named generic wookie. Why does the generic wookie need to be characterized? Is he the only jedi-sympathetic wookie? Would none of the other wookies been willing to walk yoda back to his space pod? How many characters in the prequel trilogy are named (in-film) and do nothing or nothing special compared to their generic racial counterparts?
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computer parts posted:No, they do work. More specifically, the Lucas films work both ways. But there's a twist: If you start with Episode 4, you're C3PO. If you start with Episode 1, you're R2D2.
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kiimo posted:I guess my point is, even though an explanation was already posted, that it would take about five minutes of creative writing to put a midichlorine detector in R2 without having to take a blood sample. It was made possible when the Force became science rather than religion. Or they could not do that, and ignore the horrible "the force is actually a bunch of little creatures that live in your blood" retcon that Lucas crammed into the worst movie into the series.
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NecroMonster posted:remember when supermechagodzilla used to come up with funny interpretations of bad movies? Nah he's right, and just making the point other people have made in a more idiosyncratic way. The fact that the movie is sort of an ep 4 remake only functions, in part, because large amounts of ROTJ are ignored--the Empire's still around, the opposition is weak, the Emperor's still alive, etc. Not all of that's true on a plot level, but it is the case for all intents and purposes of the film. The most interesting bits of the movie are the ones that deal with the fact that they won the war but lost the peace (Kylo) but that stuff is sort of sidelined--presumably because it would be too ambiguous, morose, etc. porfiria fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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jivjov posted:Alright, but that still doesn't mean that R2 is /using/ the force. He can't commune with it, he has no blood and thus no midichlorians. Waffling on about Midichlorians was a sign the Jedi were drastically out of touch with their own faith though. The point is there's is little to no difference in how Han and R2 are portrayed at acting as one with the Force, the contents of their blood (or lack of) has absolutely nothing with their ability to do so
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Neurolimal posted:
The Clone commander that Obi-Wan interacts with is called "Commander Cody" on screen by both Obi-Wan and Palpatine.
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NecroMonster posted:R2 isn't loving using the god damned force the loving idiot loving wizard spirit soul magic is using R2 gently caress. "You mean it controls your actions?" "Partially. But it also obeys your commands."
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Waffling on about Midichlorians was a sign the Jedi were drastically out of touch with their own faith though. The point is there's is little to no difference in how Han and R2 are portrayed at acting as one with the Force, the contents of their blood (or lack of) has absolutely nothing with their ability to do so The universe as presented establishes that certain people can use the force and others can't. Han is not a force user, neither is R2.
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computer parts posted:No, they do work. I agree. But if one is going to be possibly suggest a new viewer watch things out of order anyway, I'm partially to re-arranging it just a bit. Not the full Machete, use everything, even TPM, so 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6, 7. It preserves everything it needs to (Vader = Anakin and the Yoda reveal), it also may(?) give the Leia reveal more weight by making it in RotS rather than RotJ. Episode 1 happened, for the Machete proponents to pretend otherwise is a bit disingenuous. Star Wars should be held up for what it honestly is, both the good and the bad. There's also a possibility, however minor, that the Force birth and midi-chlorians could play some part in the upcoming episodes. Teek fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Or they could not do that, and ignore the horrible "the force is actually a bunch of little creatures that live in your blood" retcon that Lucas crammed into the worst movie into the series. I like Cnuts explanation for midichlorians if you can dig it up
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jivjov posted:The universe as presented establishes that certain people can use the force and others can't. Han is not a force user, neither is R2. We see this in TFA (are we still being nice with plot spoilers?): Finn is right, this IS how the Force works. Han, despite doing skepticism right, is still wrong about the Force, just like in ANH.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Or they could not do that, and ignore the horrible "the force is actually a bunch of little creatures that live in your blood" retcon that Lucas crammed into the worst movie into the series. AOTC is a trillion times worse
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The only bad thing about AotC is the love scenes. Unfortunately they take up a good portion of the film
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Nessus posted:I think Qui-gon actually said all life has midichlorians and can thus touch the Force, even if some people have more and are thus more inclined towards it. Well, if nothing else, this still rules out R2, as he's an inorganic being who may or may not have true free will.
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