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Count Bleck posted:It would bring down Asusa, Single But Looking, and then I could pick one up for EDH. Bloom is one of Twin's best matchups, so it makes Twin less good if that's a thing that matters to you. Unless I am on Twin in which case my hand is slow and sucks and my opponent has 3 Amulets, a PrimeTime and some bouncelands in his opening hand.
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Count Bleck posted:It's over when they finally realize how busted Collected Company can actually be. Not at all? CoCo's pretty demanding about how you construct your deck and it can absolutely gently caress you randomly.
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I remember not that long ago (right after the delve spells got banned) when this thread considered Bloom a cute, plucky but not very good deck. e:guess that was a year ago now
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Angry Grimace posted:Bloom is one of Twin's best matchups, so it makes Twin less good if that's a thing that matters to you. Unless I am on Twin in which case my hand is slow and sucks and my opponent has 3 Amulets, a PrimeTime and some bouncelands in his opening hand. But then they'd have more slots to commit to The Best Deck, Merfolk! TheKingofSprings posted:Not at all? CoCo's pretty demanding about how you construct your deck and it can absolutely gently caress you randomly. I'm aware, it just has that "haha wow I just randomly won out of nowhere" and it does it much better than twin, you don't even get to see the win until you actually cast CoCo. That said, I'm probably just on a high from playing CoCo and slamming double Knuckleblade in Standard and Finks + Melira/Anafenza with a Seer on board in Modern.
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Rinkles posted:I remember not that long ago (right after the delve spells got banned) when this thread considered Bloom a cute, plucky but not very good deck. The biggest problem is that it doesn't really matter if Bloom is broken in terms of tournament play. It's a toxic deck that puts way too much randomness into tournaments. Sometimes those decks get taken care of on their own - e.g. broken graveyard decks can be annoying, but something like the new (fair) B/x Eldrazi decks just hoses it on its own. But there aren't really a lot of decks that can do much of anything to interact with Bloom outside of Twin just comboing off. I mean, sure SaffronOlive's Free Win Red hoses Bloom on its own, but that's just goofball stuff.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Sanctioning a format with a name with negative connotations like that would be kind of a problem for a company to do. It's pretty simple to change that, but I imagine that's just one of the reasons they might be reluctant to sanction it, the other one being encouraging tournaments with the premise and promise of being cheap kind of fucks with your business model of selling expensive cards! What? It's called pauper on MTGO.
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suicidesteve posted:What? I did not know that until just now. I think the second point still stands, though.
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suicidesteve posted:What? I think the reason they don't sanction it is because its really hard to figure out what's actually legal.
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Angry Grimace posted:I think the reason they don't sanction it is because its really hard to figure out what's actually legal. I don't know what's so hard about using the MTGO list. Does anyone really want Sinkhole, Hymn, or High Tide in the format anyway?
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suicidesteve posted:I don't know what's so hard about using the MTGO list. Does anyone really want Sinkhole, Hymn, or High Tide in the format anyway? Because its a lot easier to figure out on MTGO because MTGO literally won't let you play illegal cards.
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suicidesteve posted:I don't know what's so hard about using the MTGO list. Does anyone really want Sinkhole, Hymn, or High Tide in the format anyway? I actually asked the guys running the local shop league to ban those and they said they didn't think it would be that bad. Then I was the only one to use hymns, which caused a few feelbads but didn't exactly prove my point. High tide is probably worse than the other two because of cloud of rear end in a top hat fairies. It probably is too much to expect wizards to just sanction pauper and print a supplemental pauper product that straightens out the difference between modo and paper so there's no more confusion, they already have a banlist for the online pauper format. There's honestly not that many cards that separate paper from online. For what it's worth, pauper could be an easy and cheap way to introduce new players to magic. Give em that first little cheap rock to smoke and eventually they'll come back for more.
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rabidsquid posted:I actually don't think it would be all that strong but you could play two of my favorite cards, Waterfront Bouncer and Piracy Charm, so I say you should saddle up those Arrogant Wurms Fingers McLongDong posted:Wild mongrel best mongrel They also made Circular Logic into a common!
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Count Bleck posted:I'm aware, it just has that "haha wow I just randomly won out of nowhere" and it does it much better than twin, you don't even get to see the win until you actually cast CoCo. A CoCo deck passing the turn with four mana up should be a pretty big tell as to what their plans are for your combat step.
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I'd be fine with them making the format exclusively "printed at common in paper" and adding Sinkhole and Hymn to the banned list. Online loses what, Battle Screech and Chainers? Vintage Masters and Tempest remastered feel closer to holiday cube than real sets.
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Voyager I posted:A CoCo deck passing the turn with four mana up should be a pretty big tell as to what their plans are for your combat step. True, but even the CoCo player doesn't know what their creature play will be in the combat step.
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Hey, Seattle goons, I've only ever really played kitchen table magic with people that are learning the game, and the BFZ prerelease. I've got a few decks, an Eldrazi modern, a soldier token vintage and a cleric lifegain vintage. I'm also working on an angel heavy Boros deck. That said, anyone willing to critique my lovely little decks, and maybe teach me how to not play like a scrub?
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PJOmega posted:True, but even the CoCo player doesn't know what their creature play will be in the combat step. Sure, but this is already Wizard Poker. There's a fair amount of uncertainty in everything we do, and I don't feel like CoCo not being 100% certain on what (if any) answers it will find is inherently more offensive than any given card draw spell maybe finding the perfect card for the situation or maybe finding nothing. The play itself is fairly easy to see coming and you can have a reasonable idea of the likely outcomes when you decide how to attack.
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PJOmega posted:I'd be fine with them making the format exclusively "printed at common in paper" and adding Sinkhole and Hymn to the banned list. Online loses what, Battle Screech and Chainers? High Tide should probably make that ban list as well. Its kinda gross for blue decks to get to go off for a million mana then untap a bunch of poo poo with clod of faeries.
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I am really hoping that this bobby guy on stream is not only wearing the brace he wears when bowling, but that his ring is also bowling related.
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jassi007 posted:High Tide should probably make that ban list as well. Its kinda gross for blue decks to get to go off for a million mana then untap a bunch of poo poo with clod of faeries. The real answer is to ban Cloud of Faeries because that card is obnoxious as crap and allows that stupid Familiar deck, as well as Delver having 4 power worthof flyers and still leave up Spellstutter Sprite on turn 2. Also a reminder that we're doing a MTGO Pauper Goon League! I have at least one entire spare deck and am like $8 short from having a 2nd, and other people have cards/decks to borrow too. So if you have an account but no deck we've got your covered.
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suicidesteve posted:The real answer is to ban Cloud of Faeries because that card is obnoxious as crap and allows that stupid Familiar deck, as well as Delver having 4 power worthof flyers and still leave up Spellstutter Sprite on turn 2. Oh this is actually on modo? I'm in.
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suicidesteve posted:The real answer is to ban Cloud of Faeries because that card is obnoxious as crap and allows that stupid Familiar deck, as well as Delver having 4 power worthof flyers and still leave up Spellstutter Sprite on turn 2. I'm interested, but is MTGO still a steaming pile? And do accounts still cost $10?
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Some Numbers posted:I'm interested, but is MTGO still a steaming pile? 
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Some Numbers posted:I'm interested, but is MTGO still a steaming pile? Not as much as it used to be, and yes.
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Amulet bloom just bloomed in under 4 minutes.
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Angry Grimace posted:For a while I thought Summer Bloom was going to get banned. But I actually think Amulet of Vigor is going to eat the ban to just kill the deck. E: Sickening posted:Amulet bloom just bloomed in under 4 minutes.
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rabidsquid posted:Is he still complaining about everything and trying to force U/R Faeries Yes and no. He's on Kiki-Chord this weekend.
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Sickening posted:hoogs is a stay at home dad? Nothing wrong with that IMO. Being a semi pro Magic player on the other hand is extremely shameful. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Bloom Titan is dead. Long live Bloom Titan. Hopefully we get to see the top 4 of standard. One of the guys still in is from my shop and runs a nice UG Ramp deck. Disregard all siege rhinos, just part the waterveil until you drop Ulamog 
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rabidsquid posted:Is he still complaining about everything and trying to force U/R Faeries He is losing in the finals which in all honesty he should have won game 2. He lost to a random leylines that shut down exactly 1 card in his deck which would have won him the game.
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Sickening posted:He is losing in the finals which in all honesty he should have won game 2. He lost to a random leylines that shut down exactly 1 card in his deck which would have won him the game. So Jeff shouldn't have won game two then, got it.
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Sweet. We're hitting $100 fetches again.
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I love how the guy who won tonight with Amulet Bloom pretty much begged Wizards to ban the deck outright.
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