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Madmarker posted:I love how the guy who won tonight with Amulet Bloom pretty much begged Wizards to ban the deck outright. Every pro I follow, ones that have decent opinions like LSV are betting that WOTC is going to ban something from it. I think summer bloom or amulet are getting the axe. The real tossup is will their be any other changes?
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jassi007 posted:Every pro I follow, ones that have decent opinions like LSV are betting that WOTC is going to ban something from it. I think summer bloom or amulet are getting the axe. The real tossup is will their be any other changes? yeah; stoneforge unban
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Jan 4, 2016 02:25
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TheKingofSprings posted:yeah; stoneforge unban I highly doubt, and truly hope this isn't the case. jassi007 posted:Every pro I follow, ones that have decent opinions like LSV are betting that WOTC is going to ban something from it. I think summer bloom or amulet are getting the axe. The real tossup is will their be any other changes? My hope is that Ensnaring bridge gets the ax as well.
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Jan 4, 2016 02:29
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TheKingofSprings posted:yeah; stoneforge unban I find this real hard to believe. If there is one thing consistent about the modern ban list, it is that tutoring is on the poo poo list. The other things that are also on the shitlist are fast mana/cost cheating and overly efficient card draw. Summerbloom is much to good at accelerating mana. Its better at ramping in Amulet than most of the other mana ramp spells on the current banlist. The amulet itself isn't the issue. Stoneforge is one of the best tutors ever made, because it also lets you cheat the cost of the card you tutored as well. It is some kind of hosed up tutor/cost cheating effect on one card. The card that doesn't really fit any of those categories is sword of the meek. It is a combo engine piece, but that combo isn't infinite. It costs 1 mana per iteration. The reason it is good is because you get dudes and gain life. It is interesting to consider unbanning because it is a great way for a control deck to stabilize.
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Jan 4, 2016 02:34
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Oh cool! A version of the BW Eldrazi deck I'm building came in tenth! My old deck, Affinity came seventh and eighth. I also need some expensive cards yet.
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Jan 4, 2016 02:35
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jassi007 posted:I find this real hard to believe. If there is one thing consistent about the modern ban list, it is that tutoring is on the poo poo list. The other things that are also on the shitlist are fast mana/cost cheating and overly efficient card draw. Summerbloom is much to good at accelerating mana. Its better at ramping in Amulet than most of the other mana ramp spells on the current banlist. The amulet itself isn't the issue. Stoneforge is one of the best tutors ever made, because it also lets you cheat the cost of the card you tutored as well. It is some kind of hosed up tutor/cost cheating effect on one card. Fun is first on the Modern shitlist, please do not forget
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Jan 4, 2016 02:40
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TheKingofSprings posted:Fun is first on the Modern shitlist, please do not forget That is pretty much the only actual reason to ban out Bloom Titan.
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Jan 4, 2016 02:43
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mandatory lesbian posted:lol, it's been over a year since Khans came out and you're still mad they started using the clans as wedge names The only flaw is that they use the clans for the Legacy Delver lists so instead of BUG and RUG it's Sultai and Temur. It's not as funny, not calling it bug.
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Jan 4, 2016 02:48
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Brownhat posted:That is pretty much the only actual reason to ban out Bloom Titan. Yeah watching a deck spend ten minutes digging through its library to kill someone on turn two sounds really fun.
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Jan 4, 2016 02:53
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They could ban JTMS in Modern and it would be fine. Also they should unban Seat of the Synod.
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Jan 4, 2016 02:54
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I respect the creativity and effort that went into making some of the more esoteric combo decks work and watching the interactions play out is interesting the first few times, but it's not actually something I want to play Magic with on a regular basis.
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Jan 4, 2016 02:56
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Banning bloom titan out would further prove that the real enemy in modern is any combo deck that requires skill and dedication to learn how to win with. Only moronic A+B combos that slot into otherwise non-combo decks allowed. I'm only being somewhat facetious
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Jan 4, 2016 02:57
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Voyager I posted:Yeah watching a deck spend ten minutes digging through its library to kill someone on turn two sounds really fun. I mean sitting across from it there's the suspense of "will they kill me" and if it's guaranteed then you just forfeit. And if you're talking about streaming, Magic kind of sucks to watch the majority of the time anyways so you're not really getting denied much.
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Jan 4, 2016 02:57
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The issue with Amulet Bloom is less raw power and more that it goes off early enough that a lot of decks can't reasonably stop it.
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Jan 4, 2016 03:03
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Voyager I posted:Yeah watching a deck spend ten minutes digging through its library to kill someone on turn two sounds really fun. If it went off on turn two consistently it would be a bigger part of the meta. And more successful.
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Jan 4, 2016 03:04
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Brownhat posted:If it went off on turn two consistently it would be a bigger part of the meta. And more successful. It is pretty wildly successful relative to how many people play it.
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Jan 4, 2016 03:09
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TheKingofSprings posted:And if you're talking about streaming, Magic kind of sucks to watch the majority of the time anyways so you're not really getting denied much. I would find magic more tolerable to watch if they had a wizard John Madden scribbling on the screen while Rich Hagon provided color commentary. It would be way more enjoyable if you saw arrows being drawn in more conceptual circumstances like when a thought seize is used to push a strategy through - but more excitedly, in classic Madden style. 
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Jan 4, 2016 03:09
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What ultimately got Storm banned out was having a reliable t3 kill. The fundamental turn of Modern is 4 and if any deck manages to consistently get t3 kills it'll get the axe. It's not very complicated. Amulet Bloom is just incredibly powerful because it's one of the strongest decks in the format when you are cheating.
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Jan 4, 2016 03:12
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BizarroAzrael posted:Oh cool! A version of the BW Eldrazi deck I'm building came in tenth! I've seen some takes on RB floating around, but what does the BW version look like? O-Rings and Paths instead of Bolts?
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Jan 4, 2016 03:17
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BizarroAzrael posted:Oh cool! A version of the BW Eldrazi deck I'm building came in tenth! Some of the locals I play with did really well. I guess I should start going to these tournaments.
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Jan 4, 2016 03:19
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Alris posted:I've seen some takes on RB floating around, but what does the BW version look like? O-Rings and Paths instead of Bolts?
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Jan 4, 2016 03:33
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Irony Be My Shield posted:You basically get paths, lingering souls and some good sideboard cards. Also Rest in Peace, which is a great Processor enabler.
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Jan 4, 2016 03:46
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I don't think you actually play RIP, it screws with your own Lingering Souls and isn't really needed.
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Jan 4, 2016 03:49
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My Modern Affinity list is almost complete, but I'm having trouble deciding if/when I wanna invest in blood moons or thoughtseizes for SB. Really enjoying the deck, and looking forward to FNM every week now to play more.
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Jan 4, 2016 04:35
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Painful Truths won the Legacy PIQ.
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Jan 4, 2016 04:45
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Voyager I posted:Yeah watching a deck spend ten minutes digging through its library to kill someone on turn two sounds really fun. I don't think the guy you're responding to was trying to have a reasoned argument. "Bans are universally bad, everything should be legal" is a dumb position people who don't play specific formats like to say about those formats.
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Jan 4, 2016 04:48
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Amulet Bloom is fairly unusual in that it broke out a hell of a lot later than it should have. You can build a list with cards from AVR and earlier, but it didn't really become a top deck until more than a year after that. Any reason why people didn't play it in the era of Jund?
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mcmagic posted:Painful Truths won the Legacy PIQ. So black potus has to post with proper punctuation from now on? And also pilot a deck of your choosing at a tourney, I think?
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Konstantin posted:Amulet Bloom is fairly unusual in that it broke out a hell of a lot later than it should have. You can build a list with cards from AVR and earlier, but it didn't really become a top deck until more than a year after that. Any reason why people didn't play it in the era of Jund? The Combo took a long time to bang out I think, along with the difficulty in sequencing turns for the quick kills, and the idea of the hivemind kills not coming along till later I think. Also maybe less chance of main deck fulminators these days?
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Jan 4, 2016 04:55
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Konstantin posted:Amulet Bloom is fairly unusual in that it broke out a hell of a lot later than it should have. You can build a list with cards from AVR and earlier, but it didn't really become a top deck until more than a year after that. Any reason why people didn't play it in the era of Jund? Because it sounds like a terrible deck when you explain how it works. When you have very few people playing a deck, it takes a while for it to put up results, even if it is powerful.
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Konstantin posted:Amulet Bloom is fairly unusual in that it broke out a hell of a lot later than it should have. You can build a list with cards from AVR and earlier, but it didn't really become a top deck until more than a year after that. Any reason why people didn't play it in the era of Jund? It's just been a tuning thing. I've been in on it at the ground floor, back when it was more invested in blue and played a little more fair (via Trinket Mage). You'd go off T4/T5 pretty much every time, with the occassional but draw (like it has now) - but a midgame combo that didnt have much control or protection was pretty soft. Each new tweak and iteration has helped push it towards being just a bit more explosive at the expense of consistency. Pacts have also come in to help us protect early combo, and Hive Mind as an alt win con. Like a lot of decks the only hurdle to getting it played was getting it to a point where it was a strong playable deck.
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Konstantin posted:Amulet Bloom is fairly unusual in that it broke out a hell of a lot later than it should have. You can build a list with cards from AVR and earlier, but it didn't really become a top deck until more than a year after that. Any reason why people didn't play it in the era of Jund? I saw someone play a precursor of the deck at a Modern PTQ in January, 2013. They had the general strategy of the deck down and played an assload of lands and beat me to death with Primeval Titan. I do remember them playing Oboro, Palace in the Clouds to recur landfall effects, but I don't remember what for. I ended up winning the match 2-1 with UR Faeries on the back of Blood Moon. In fact, I placed ninth at that PTQ on the back of Blood Moon. I don't think I won a single game one and nearly all of my wins came from riding Blood Moon to victory. EDIT: Ob Nixilis. That's what they killed me with. Star Man fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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I remember playing amulet bloom during theros standard. It's been around a while. Slayers stronghold was the card that made it work.
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Jan 4, 2016 05:05
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I've been waiting for amulet bloom to make it big since I have several extra foil titans and other pieces. Maybe someone will buy those out any day now. 
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't think the guy you're responding to was trying to have a reasoned argument. Except that wasn't what I was saying. It requires high skill AND high variance, and it's taken two years for it to win something serious. Turn two and three kills are incredibly inconsistent. Shoal is more consistent, especially on turn two. And if we're banning decks because they aren't fun to play against, they should burn Lantern Control to the ground first.
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Star Man posted:I saw someone play a precursor of the deck at a Modern PTQ in January, 2013. They had the general strategy of the deck down and played an assload of lands and beat me to death with Primeval Titan. I do remember them playing Oboro, Palace in the Clouds to recur landfall effects, but I don't remember what for. I ended up winning the match 2-1 with UR Faeries on the back of Blood Moon. In fact, I placed ninth at that PTQ on the back of Blood Moon. I don't think I won a single game one and nearly all of my wins came from riding Blood Moon to victory. Did it make a bunch of mana then tooth and nail for patron of the moon and Ob?
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rabidsquid posted:They could ban JTMS in Modern and it would be fine. Also they should unban Seat of the Synod. Anyone who agrees with either part of this has never played a format where either are legal. JtMS specifically is actually one of the most broken cards ever printed, and including it in modern would warp the format entirely. Like, JTMS is one of the most powerful legal cards in legacy Legalizing any artifact land would suddenly make affinity a broken deck as well.
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Bugsy posted:
If this translation is correct, wowzers.
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