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Trump will build the wall then invoice Mexico. When they don't pay, the US will seize it. Check. Mate. 
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It's a testament to Trump's popularity online that I still can't say for sure that ad wasn't hacked up by his fans based on that previewed script and passed off to the Washington Post as real just for fun. He's honestly got enough fans that instead of paying for adds he could just put out scripts of adds he wants made and let the likes of /pol/ cut them together for him.
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Dolash posted:Donald Trump is the least dangerous Republican to win the Presidency since presumably he'd result in a government so deadlocked and ineffective that we at least wouldn't have to worry about new poo poo coming down the pipe. Hell, I could believe Obama would deliberately sign over powers (probably assisted by Democrats in Congress and those Republicans not swept up in Trumpism) to weaken the office of the Presidency before Trump would take it over. Just about every branch and office of government would simply work to contain him. The party with majorities in both houses would fall in behind him and he'd sign everything they put across his desk. You're kidding yourself if you don't think a trump presidency wouldn't be as bad as any of the other whackos the republicans are running.
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Garrand posted:Entertainment Gaming News How else will we turn real life into Fallout?
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I'm glad that we can just dispense with the bullshit and bring politics down to the real facts: "I hate Them and I'm gonna blow Them up, vote Trump."
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Luigi Thirty posted:I'm glad that we can just dispense with the bullshit and bring politics down to the real facts: "I hate Them and I'm gonna blow Them up, vote Trump." Also "take Their stuff."
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haveblue posted:How else will we turn real life into Fallout? Workbench > Resources > Water > Gold Faucets
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SirPablo posted:Trump will build the wall then invoice Mexico. When they don't pay, the US will seize it. Check. Mate.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Where will we deport the North Mexico aka Communist Canada
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Zelder posted:Trump's "Muslim Ban" is really loving up the meta
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El Disco posted:[Kill them and] Also "take Their stuff." I'm glad politics is really just murderhobo-ism write large.
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Grey Fox posted:I still think "until we can figure out what's going on" is the dumbest timetable ever, even by U.S. standards. It should be a huge red flag to folks that Trump is just making this poo poo up as he goes along, but no. If this was a totally brand new phenomenon, I could maybe understand it, but it's been going on for like half a century now. If we haven't figured out what's going on by now, we're never going to figure it out.
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Grey Fox posted:I still think "until we can figure out what's going on" is the dumbest timetable ever, even by U.S. standards. It should be a huge red flag to folks that Trump is just making this poo poo up as he goes along, but no. If he actually meant it, maybe, but this is what constitutes a dog whistle by Trump's standards - his supporters hear that and understand what they'll "figure out" is Muslims are too dangerous to let into the country ever. As big and loud as Trump's gone, even he can pretend to be reasonable and compromise, where his concession is allowing for the possibility he'll lift the ban some day.
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so let's talk about this It is social security. mandatory contribution + guaranteed return + no choice of funds = social security with IRA inheritance features. I mean this + SS would be better than now due to the issues with 401ks/403ks/IRAs, but this is just social security with a completely minor tweak. You could just double social security. This is like that article from the WaPo 2 months back, where a bunch of "sharing economy" people, Silly Valley types, and financial bankers had formed a work group to try and figure out if there was a way to have all the benefits package of a good job (health care, retirement, maternity benefits, etc) but have them be fully transferable to anywhere in the country instead of being linked to the company you worked for. Gosh, if only there was some national organization (like a government!) that could take contributions from all the companies (like some sort of tax!) and distribute them to all the workers (like some sort of spending program!). But nothing that exists so these masters of the universe will come up with a new thing. Or the larger package of how many education reformers are pushing for systems that link private schools with these big internal welfare programs and then pointing out how the poor kids now in these systems (and having their effective standard of living boosted) now perform as well as those who were already at that effective standard of living. Maybe there is a link there? I dunno. The ideology of "nothing from the government; no redistribution" running up against the necessity of widespread government redistribution programs is producing some really corkscrew thinking. But then we currently have a bunch of far right wing protestors staging a sit in of a federal building on a general platform of "forgive the debt, redistribute the land" so what the hell Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Grey Fox posted:I still think "until we can figure out what's going on" is the dumbest timetable ever, even by U.S. standards. It should be a huge red flag to folks that Trump is just making this poo poo up as he goes along, but no. I'm sure this will get someone to tut tut at me for thinking I'm better than the perfidious Other, but if you're a Trump primary supporter, you're probably not there to hear about logical, implementable plans at this point
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Allegheny County, Pennsylvania will soon enact a three-month limit on EBT for the unemployed. Black unemployment in Pittsburgh is above 10%.
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Fried Chicken posted:The ideology of "nothing from the government; no redistribution" running up against the necessity of widespread government redistribution programs is producing some really corkscrew thinking. It sort of like how bitcoiners had to slowly reinvent everything that banks were already doing. I think it's called "Not Invented Here" syndrome?
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Luigi Thirty posted:Allegheny County, Pennsylvania will soon enact a three-month limit on EBT for the unemployed. Black unemployment in Pittsburgh is above 10%. Well, one of the ways major historical bloodlettings of the rich get started is some people living in absolute luxury while a large group of people are unable to house or feed themselves, so maybe it's a good thing.
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Fried Chicken posted:It is social security. mandatory contribution + guaranteed return + no choice of funds = social security with IRA inheritance features. I think the complications this would introduce + the issues with getting it through Federal and state legislatures + the in general ho hum at best reputation IRA's have with many people will kill this idea before it gets traction. Or that at least is what I'm going to hope happens.
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Al! posted:Well, one of the ways major historical bloodlettings of the rich get started is some people living in absolute luxury while a large group of people are unable to house or feed themselves, so maybe it's a good thing. http://strib.mn/1VA1z3c quote:Susan Reardon, 61, of Kalamazoo, Mich., said she was leaning toward going uninsured this year. She calculated that she would have to spend more than $12,000 to get anything beyond preventive benefits from the cheapest exchange plan available to her.
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Zelder posted:I'm sure this will get someone to tut tut at me for thinking I'm better than the perfidious Other, but if you're a Trump primary supporter, you're probably not there to hear about logical, implementable plans at this point I want to blame it on his core supporters' lack of engagement with the political system (i.e., easier to fool someone that's participating for the first time) up to this point, but it really is just good old fashioned xenophobia. edit: quote:“I feel like it’s better just to die."
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Fried Chicken posted:so let's talk about this Yeah, I think that's the cause too - the axiom "government involvement bad no matter what" manages to fuel both of these opposite sort of positions because it's possible to get there with some extremely idiotic logic as long as you never ever question the first bit about government involvement always being bad. And then because you arrived at the conclusion logically you get to feel smart and good and morally upright and all that jazz. Richard Dawkins is another extreme example of dumb premises and overconfidence in the validity of one's logic leading to vehement defense of contradictory conclusions like I am a logical humanist far superior to the retard theists because of how logical and loving of humanity I am, but women really need to stfu and Islam must be destroyed.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Allegheny County, Pennsylvania will soon enact a three-month limit on EBT for the unemployed. Black unemployment in Pittsburgh is above 10%. Not just Allegheny County, all across the state/country where unemployment at a county level is low enough. It comes from a 1996 federal law. The state is trying to get it fixed so at least it isn't a horrible state government type thing.
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Spudd posted:Man you dudes are so hosed Where do you live, I doubt anywhere on Earth is fully insulated from American fuckery
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:I'm thinking the bolded section is where the giveaway for Wall St. will happen somehow which is why this is being pushed in a few places now. quote:I think the complications this would introduce + the issues with getting it through Federal and state legislatures + the in general ho hum at best reputation IRA's have with many people will kill this idea before it gets traction. Or that at least is what I'm going to hope happens. Right now the threat would be that after labor economist (and Clinton advisor) Teresa Ghilarducci proposed something similar you had Rush, Beck, and NRO lose their poo poo and whip their fanatics to the point of sending a ton of death threats to her. So the most likely end is that the people who propose ways to fight poverty get threatened and attacked into silence Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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I see IRA and I think stocks and bonds of some sort. That the govt. gets to administer it doesn't mean Wall St. wouldn't or couldn't get money out of it somehow. Fried Chicken posted:Internet liberals arguing against poverty reduction programs itt
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SirPablo posted:Trump will build the wall then invoice Mexico. When they don't pay, the US will seize it. Check. Mate. Sadly the most plausible plan I've heard from his supporters is confiscation, or heavy taxation, of remittances.
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Remember when a 65 year old Sikh was beaten half to death in Fresno? http://m.thehindu.com/news/international/elderly-sikh-stabbed-to-death-in-us/article8064998.ece A 68 year old Sikh was stabbed to death in Fresno.
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Fried Chicken posted:How? Do you even understand what that part means? Wall Street doesn't touch this, the whole this is administered by the government specifically to avoid Wall Street getting a cut from fees, and the guaranteed return is a promise that you won't get wiped out if the market crashes. This is how social security works now. The TSP (the 401k for federal employees) is a good example of how much less a government run retirement account costs - the fee is 0.029% vs 1% average for a 401k. Overall a great idea. 401k based retirement accounts are a complete disaster as far as public policy is concerned.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Allegheny County, Pennsylvania will soon enact a three-month limit on EBT for the unemployed. Black unemployment in Pittsburgh is above 10%. This is also the same area where you can have kids growing up in/near Homestead without ever learning about the Homestead Strike in school. Though if Homestead 2.0 happens it'll probably be cleared out with sound cannons and the other crazy poo poo that Pittsburgh got years ago when hosting a summit and it's not like there's enough organized labor in Pittsburgh for such a revolt to happen in the first place.
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Grey Fox posted:Oh hey, new thread title. It's horrible that people are taking the, in context, more rational alternative of literally choosing death/suicide when confronted with our hosed up healthcare system.  Oh yeah, the Trump ad is real by the way. It's also getting coverage on the news.
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gradenko_2000 posted:It sort of like how bitcoiners had to slowly reinvent everything that banks were already doing. I think it's called "Not Invented Here" syndrome? It is a retread of putting i in front of everything because of Apple, but instead of i it's libertarianism. Oh, and making the same product worse.
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Fried Chicken posted:How? Do you even understand what that part means? Wall Street doesn't touch this, the whole this is administered by the government specifically to avoid Wall Street getting a cut from fees, and the guaranteed return is a promise that you won't get wiped out if the market crashes. This is how social security works now. What securities would the funds be put in that guarantee a rate of return? article posted:
Inflation has averaged ~2.5-3% over the last 40 years. Assuming the low end of inflation, lets say 2% going forward, that would mean these type of accounts would grow at a percent per year. Stocks (s&p 500) have had a total return of ~7%. Do you believe the stability of return is worth the trade off of 4-6% growth? Edit: 4-6% was based off if the return in the article was based off was on top of inflation or not. http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/datafile/histretSP.html Junkyard Poodle fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:I see IRA and I think stocks and bonds of some sort. That the govt. gets to administer it doesn't mean Wall St. wouldn't or couldn't get money out of it somehow. quote:Also What makes you think I'm against poverty reduction programs in general? Especially when replying to your comment calling out this plan as at least sub-optimal vs just improving SS? Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Junkyard Poodle posted:What securities would the funds be put in that guarantee a rate of return? quote:Inflation has averaged ~2.5-3% over the last 40 years. Assuming the low end of inflation, lets say 2% going forward, that would mean these type of accounts would grow at a percent per year. Stocks (s&p 500) have had a total return of ~7%. Do you believe the stability of return is worth the trade off of 4-6% growth? Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Fried Chicken posted:it says 3% is "a starting base". So thats a minimum rate of return; the idea being that if t does less the government coughs up the difference So if one year I make 2% and the government chips in 1% to make up the difference do I give that back to the government when my investment makes 8% the following year? If not, it sounds like privatizing profit and socializing losses.
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Fried Chicken posted:Bonds... Like, say treasury securities? Like what social security is presently in? The article's specifically talking about a diversified portfolio as a selling point, I parsed it as saying some chunk of the money would be in equities. I guess they could dump everything in TIPS or something, but that didn't seem like the way they were selling it.
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Good Citizen posted:I wonder what the exact breakpoint in gas prices would be that results in a GOP president in 2017. About $4.50/gallon maybe? Out of curiosity, what were the prices at this time in 2008 and leading up to the election, when Obama curb stomped whitey?
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Did an edit after you replied. It would still be a trade off. The market (s&p 500) has done better. By putting money into the the new accounts one would forgo alternative investments. If you claim it could be done with treasuries and cut out wall street, then, historically speaking, you would still be giving up several points in growth. Additionally, if the demand for treasuries goes up, thus getting bid up when put on auction, the returns of treasuries will go down. http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/datafile/histretSP.html
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