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RaySmuckles posted:This is the problem with star wars in general. its too incestuous. Han had a Wookie who was supposed to sorta double as muscle, so now all wookies are universally renowned for being bad-rear end killing machines. the millennium falcon is now the fastest ship ever. han's blaster is the strongest blaster ever. they're all related and their kids are also galactically relevant too. obi, luke, and vader used lightsabers, so now everyone uses lightsabers. the first movie had the death star, now we have a sun-sucking death planet. i like explosions in space i like pretty girl too
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RaySmuckles posted:Can I ask a question? Once the death planet destroys the solar system's sun, what's their plan? Cuz like, destroying a sun in 10 minutes would probably have some pretty serious consequences, even if you were on a sweet space station planet. "alright, bob, let's turn on the heaters to +1000000 cuz the sun just went out. also, why is gravity imploding the planet?" I thought the point of it was to look cool and scare people. The Death Star was meant to be like the mobile command for the head of the Empire, the Death Planet is a big WMD a fringe cult movement made. Like the New Order isn't as powerful as the Empire - they've got a lot of leftover resources, but not the manpower, terrtory or prescence that the Empire had. Like, you blow up the sun, then move to another one. Star Wars is fantasy in space, not sci fi, best to ignore it before they write a ten part book series about what the AI that runs the weapon's food machines thinks about everything (and how it secretly saved the day once).
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OldMemes posted:I thought the point of it was to look cool and scare people. The Death Star was meant to be like the mobile command for the head of the Empire, the Death Planet is a big WMD a fringe cult movement made. Like the New Order isn't as powerful as the Empire - they've got a lot of leftover resources, but not the manpower, terrtory or prescence that the Empire had. Like, you blow up the sun, then move to another one. Starkiller Base's sanitation AI was force sensitive, and saw that Finn would help save the galaxy, so it overrided orders to show him the one weak point in the station.
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RaySmuckles posted:Can I ask a question? Once the death planet destroys the solar system's sun, what's their plan? Cuz like, destroying a sun in 10 minutes would probably have some pretty serious consequences, even if you were on a sweet space station planet. "alright, bob, let's turn on the heaters to +1000000 cuz the sun just went out. also, why is gravity imploding the planet?" I thought everybody lived underground on the death planet. The movie showed everything turned cold when the sun was dying, so they didn't ignore it at least. Just move to a new sun after you fired the gun. As for holding the entire mass of a star inside the core of a planet. Shut up, probably don't think about it too hard or the EU will come back with a 10,000 word explanation full of techno babble.
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Jan 4, 2016 05:29
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if u care how any of the "science" and "technology" in the space wizard movie works, u have my pity.
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Don Tacorleone posted:i like explosions in space Odds on Rey sporting a space bikini in episode 8 and/or 9?
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Star Trek used to care about correct or at least present an approachable aspect to science. Welp that's out the door now, play more Beastie Boys please. The point is star wars never did. And when lucas tried in the prequels it was the most abominable thing ever.
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Jan 4, 2016 06:07
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Chill la Chill posted:Odds on Rey sporting a space bikini in episode 8 and/or 9? very low odds shoot up when talking about poe or finn
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Fojar38 posted:very low ....Or?  I was thinking it was practically guaranteed, so I asked about Rey.
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Ka0 posted:The point is star wars never did. And when lucas tried in the prequels it was the most abominable thing ever. it's hard to overstate how bad turning the force into blood parasites was. kind of puts the lie to "luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." I doubt we'll hear the word "midichlorians in any Disney Star War and I'm glad for it
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Otisburg posted:it's hard to overstate how bad turning the force into blood parasites was. Well, they think the Force is a myth for the most part, and all of the science/knowledge about how it works was destroyed by the Empire. So they will probably be rediscovering them around Ep10, when the spergs start getting vocal again.
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RFC2324 posted:Well, they think the Force is a myth for the most part, and all of the science/knowledge about how it works was destroyed by the Empire. Force vampires that consume force blood to increase their force abilities confirmed.
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Considering Disney wanted to purge all the slave Leia merchandise, chances are pretty low that we'll end up with bikini Rey before the ROTJ homage film
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Otisburg posted:it's hard to overstate how bad turning the force into blood parasites was. I was re-watching the Despecialized editions today and it's remarkable how many lines are directly contradicted by stuff that happens in the prequels. Obi-Wan describing his relationship with Anakin is frequently cited, but there's a lot of other stuff, like Leia saying she can remember her mother, pretty much anything Yoda says, Yoda clearly being Obi-Wan's master, and so on. In fact it's not clear that Anakin was directly mentored by Obi-Wan, but rather a comrade. It all serves to reinforce my view to just ignore the prequels having ever happened. Chill la Chill posted:Force vampires that consume force blood to increase their force abilities confirmed. This is essentially the backstory to General Grievous, who was made better at Force stuff by giving him another Jedi's blood.
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Jan 4, 2016 06:51
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:This is essentially the backstory to General Grievous, who was made better at Force stuff by giving him another Jedi's blood. Did he actually have force powers? I thought he just spun lightsabers around and was a bad rear end cyborg.
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Did he actually have force powers? I thought he just spun lightsabers around and was a bad rear end cyborg. We'll start with Sifo-Dyas. Because EU writers are incapable of sensing nuance, such as "Sifo-Dyas is obviously an assumed name for Sideous," Sifo-Dyas was made a character in the clone wars, who ordered the creation of a clone army 10 years before Obi-Wan found it. I'm skipping over some very convoluted stuff, but long story short, when Dooku is making General Grievous, he injects him with Sifo-Dyas' blood to make him more powerful. Apparently this was all retconned when Sifo-Dyas became a character on the TV show.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:We'll start with Sifo-Dyas. Because EU writers are incapable of sensing nuance, such as "Sifo-Dyas is obviously an assumed name for Sideous," Sifo-Dyas was made a character in the clone wars, who ordered the creation of a clone army 10 years before Obi-Wan found it. I'm skipping over some very convoluted stuff, but long story short, when Dooku is making General Grievous, he injects him with Sifo-Dyas' blood to make him more powerful. Apparently this was all retconned when Sifo-Dyas became a character on the TV show. Does the EU address what the cloners are up to for a decade. I know it's the prequels and all, and a lot of poo poo doesn't make any sense, but it's just loving baffling that Obi-Wan shows up and the cloners go, "Oh, we're so glad to see you because we haven't heard from Sifo-Dyas in a decade." Motherfuckers, you've been building an army of clones for 10 years without talking to the buyer? You can't pick up a phone and call the Jedis? Send an emissary?
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PostNouveau posted:Does the EU address what the cloners are up to for a decade. I know it's the prequels and all, and a lot of poo poo doesn't make any sense, but it's just loving baffling that Obi-Wan shows up and the cloners go, "Oh, we're so glad to see you because we haven't heard from Sifo-Dyas in a decade." Motherfuckers, you've been building an army of clones for 10 years without talking to the buyer? You can't pick up a phone and call the Jedis? Send an emissary? I'm sure it does, but generally the weirdo aliens on Kamino make enough clones to conquer the entire galaxy in the ten-year interval, without telling anyone. I think it's presumed that Sidious gets secretly involved and is the point of communication, which you'd think someone would ask about. I hesitate to say it's the clunkiest plot point of the prequels, because it's got a lot of strong competition, but it probably is. It's so incredibly creepy and nonsensical, and not one character goes "Hmm this is totally bizarre and insane!" on any of the numerous ways that it is.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:I'm sure it does, but generally the weirdo aliens on Kamino make enough clones to conquer the entire galaxy in the ten-year interval, without telling anyone. I think it's presumed that Sidious gets secretly involved and is the point of communication, which you'd think someone would ask about. Also the idea that the good guys had the clone army is just weird to begin with. I think everyone assumed in the original trilogy that the "clone wars" meant the Jedi were fighting against clones. But no, they were just cool fighting alongside what amounted to child soldiers.
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new thread title shoulda been all like: We love the StarWars EU this much *outstretched arms nailed to X-Wing*OldMemes posted:I thought the point of it was to look cool and scare people. The Death Star was meant to be like the mobile command for the head of the Empire, the Death Planet is a big WMD a fringe cult movement made. Like the New Order isn't as powerful as the Empire - they've got a lot of leftover resources, but not the manpower, terrtory or prescence that the Empire had. Like, you blow up the sun, then move to another one. Oh you mean like how IG-88 was in the Death Star's computer core and was playing footsie with Palaptine's chamber doors just before the rebels destroyed the station thereby preventing IG-88 from commandeering every droid in the galaxy and ahgaghalghaghalggh
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Also the idea that the good guys had the clone army is just weird to begin with. I think everyone assumed in the original trilogy that the "clone wars" meant the Jedi were fighting against clones. But no, they were just cool fighting alongside what amounted to child soldiers. basically whatever you came up with in your brain for that one offhanded line is way cooler than the garbage they put to screen. i hope they are confident enough to just leave the period between ROTJ and TFA in the broadest strokes with that kind of simple expository dialogue and don't try to fill it in, save in garbage like licences comics, novels and videogames which exist for that pointless narrative backfill.
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Chill la Chill posted:Odds on Rey sporting a space bikini in episode 8 and/or 9? Well now I have a new hope!
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PostNouveau posted:Does the EU address what the cloners are up to for a decade. I know it's the prequels and all, and a lot of poo poo doesn't make any sense, but it's just loving baffling that Obi-Wan shows up and the cloners go, "Oh, we're so glad to see you because we haven't heard from Sifo-Dyas in a decade." Motherfuckers, you've been building an army of clones for 10 years without talking to the buyer? You can't pick up a phone and call the Jedis? Send an emissary? Perhaps Admiral Daala was a clone of one of them? Otisburg posted:basically whatever you came up with in your brain for that one offhanded line is way cooler than the garbage they put to screen. Zahn had in mind that it was a massive civil war between rival warlords with their own clone armies. It was never more than an allusion, though- I'm pretty sure the old EU authors were forbidden from filling in much about the pre-ANH era, so as not to contradict Lucas's upcoming masterpiece.
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DeusExMachinima posted:We love the StarWars EU this much *outstretched arms nailed to Luuu'uu'uke Skywalker's Custom Prototype XHT-8311 Delta Prototype XZ-Wing With Prototype Dark Light Dark Force Armor*
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Otisburg posted:basically whatever you came up with in your brain for that one offhanded line is way cooler than the garbage they put to screen. Funny enough, the journey to TFA: shattered empire comics are great. Lots of Star Wars action and good starship visuals. It seems like all the good, new comic series are the short 4-5 issue ones. The bad ones are the ongoing ones like the darth Vader where he literally has a waifu and there's a General Grievous Ackbar character.
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As a kid Plo Koon was my favorite Jedi. Someone tell me about how lovely he actually was from the EU
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Chill la Chill posted:Funny enough, the journey to TFA: shattered empire comics are great. Lots of Star Wars action and good starship visuals. Saw some panels from the Vader comic where the engineer lady asks Vader to please lightsaber her in the back of the neck and not eject her into space when it comes time for him to kill her, so maybe the creative team is self-aware enough to know when to actually end a story (and kill off a character).
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:We'll start with Sifo-Dyas. Because EU writers are incapable of sensing nuance, such as "Sifo-Dyas is obviously an assumed name for Sideous," Sifo-Dyas was made a character in the clone wars, who ordered the creation of a clone army 10 years before Obi-Wan found it. I'm skipping over some very convoluted stuff, but long story short, when Dooku is making General Grievous, he injects him with Sifo-Dyas' blood to make him more powerful. Apparently this was all retconned when Sifo-Dyas became a character on the TV show. I always assumed Sifo-Dyas was a dumb jedi rube that dooku conned into making a straw purchase for a clone army. then killed him. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I always assumed Sifo-Dyas was a dumb jedi rube that dooku conned into making a straw purchase for a clone army. then killed him. Making him an actual character is the same dumb logic that turned Plagueis from a 1-line throwaway in ep3 to a fully-fleshed-out character too.
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So how does Ashoka end up getting offed?
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Ahsoka is our collective waifu and as such is still alive and well in the rebels cartoon.
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Chill la Chill posted:Ahsoka is our collective waifu and as such is still alive and well in the rebels cartoon. I pretty sure she'll be dead by the end of Rebels, at the latest. It was revealed in Aftermath, the novel bridging RotJ and TFA, that she supposedly recruited Wedge Antilles.
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Chill la Chill posted:Ahsoka is our collective waifu and as such is still alive and well in the rebels cartoon. Right but Anakin murders her at the end of the cartoon series I'm assuming?
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i assume that she will be fangoriously tortured to death in the last episode, of this children's cartoon
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Apparently the toys of her are rare and valuable. I wanted to get one for my cousin for Xmas but they were all sold out.
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^^^ That always sucks. The two-pack with Vader still seemed to be around in my area so keep an eye out for it!Applewhite posted:Right but Anakin murders her at the end of the cartoon series I'm assuming? From what I've picked up from friends who watch the shows on Clone Wars a fellow padawan tries to set her up to be executed for treason but they figure out the real culprit. Ahsoka is so disgusted with the hypocrisy she quits the Jedi Order before the events of RotS. In the current Rebels cartoon she's a neutral Force user helping the titular characters. Ahsoka is incredibly popular and no matter how the character dies I'll be surprised if she isn't in at least one of the upcoming films in some capacity. This past holidays I bought a two-pack of Darth Vader and Ahsoka for a toy drive so some kids are probably playing out that epic, tragic battle. 
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I figure at the end of Rebels, she'll fight Vader and loose. Also I hope Wedge shows up in Rebels because that would be awesome.
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Applewhite posted:Right but Anakin murders her at the end of the cartoon series I'm assuming? Disney will never kill off Ahsoka. She'll get her own spinoff series so they can keep monetizing her. She's a girl jedi with 2 lightsabers and recognizable tailhead things. The costumes alone are worth keeping her.
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Gammatron 64 posted:I figure at the end of Rebels, she'll fight Vader and loose. They got Billy Dee Williams and James Earl Jones to do voices, maybe they could get the Wedge guy too
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