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mcmagic posted:6 mana for the first time you use that effect is a ton... It also doesn't protect itself. I don't think it gets there in standard. Adding "protect itself" to the list of things 3 mana creatures need to do to be standard playable is moving the goalposts. You might as well argue Monastery Mentor sucks because it doesn't automatically counter Doom Blade. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Angry Grimace posted:Adding "protect itself" to the list of things 3 mana creatures need to do sounds like moving the goalposts The point is that you if you don't have 6 mana when you play it, it does nothing. Mentor takes over the game if you play it with any hand at all. It's completely different.
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Jan 4, 2016 20:56
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mcmagic posted:The point is that you if you don't have 6 mana when you play it, it does nothing. If you cast mentor on-curve it dies to removal having accomplished nothing, just like Flickerdrazi.
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Jan 4, 2016 20:59
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Flickerdrazi is the best name. Also, this is hilarious with Wingmate Roc too.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:01
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Lottery of Babylon posted:If you cast mentor on-curve it dies to removal having accomplished nothing, just like Flickerdrazi. To be fair (sigh), mentor isnt really played in standard
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Jan 4, 2016 21:01
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mcmagic posted:6 mana for the first time you use that effect is a ton... It also doesn't protect itself. I don't think it gets there in standard. the worst case scenario for this card is that your opponent kills it the moment it goes down with a 2 mana kill spell and you lose a net of one mana on the exchange that's really not that bad of a worst-case scenario
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Jan 4, 2016 21:03
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It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a midrange dude in possession of good lifegain must be in want of a resto.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:08
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mandatory lesbian posted:To be fair (sigh), mentor isnt really played in standard If Mentor were good it would be really, really, format definingly good. They were aware of that and sculpted basically every instant, sorcery, and miscellaneous card that could get played with it around that.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:12
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Elyv posted:the worst case scenario for this card is that your opponent kills it the moment it goes down with a 2 mana kill spell and you lose a net of one mana on the exchange Especially since it isn't vulnerable to Ultimate Price or the rare Valorous Stance they probably have to use a sorcery speed kill spell or burn some graveyard for a cheap Cut That's a perfectly fine worst case scenario tbh. I also like that it's a must kill for dragons since they can't actually hit you with Ojutai as long as it is sitting around.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:14
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mandatory lesbian posted:To be fair (sigh), mentor isnt really played in standard It is now.... It's still a ton easier to trigger than this guy is.
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mcmagic posted:It is now.... It's still a ton easier to trigger than this guy is. http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11185&d=263578&f=ST Holy poo poo you're not kidding, this is sweet
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Jan 4, 2016 21:16
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TheKingofSprings posted:If Mentor were good it would be really, really, format definingly good. i don't agree with mcmagic, i merely think the argument other guy made was weak mcmagic posted:It is now.... It's still a ton easier to trigger than this guy is. well now idk wtf
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McMagics goalposts are odd. Regardless I think this is a good card that has many uses. If one of those same uses is "Eat a murderous cut so my rhino next turn doesn't" that's a drat good use of 3 mana. And that's if you just jam it turn 3. Dropping it turn 6 with a rhino in play is broken. After that turn it's just "attack. Main phase two bounce my rhino twice. 12 point swing WHEEE"
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Jan 4, 2016 21:41
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I don't know if Junk is the best place for this card since you'd have to rejigger your manabase to run 8 painlands, which could be a problem in certain matchups and still might not be sufficient. I think that's good enough to test though and also think it might fit somewhere else
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Jan 4, 2016 21:44
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I'd rather just win with mastery of the unseen and some combination of flickerdrazi, brood monitor, zulaport cutthroat, and/or dragonlord atarka. I think you can also flicker manifested oaths into play?
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Elyv posted:I don't know if Junk is the best place for this card since you'd have to rejigger your manabase to run 8 painlands, which could be a problem in certain matchups and still might not be sufficient. I think that's good enough to test though and also think it might fit somewhere else It depends on if the next 5 battle lands come out, mana bases will be modern good for the next 3 months of that's the case. I don't think it will slot right in but there could easily be a rhino/btl/something deck that can be built around this utilization. I think it fits easily into Eldrazi Ramp as a way to machine gun everything with Atarka.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:52
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tbh the thing I want to flicker with flickerdrazi is new man-o-war but I'm super high on that card(I even think it could see play in Modern under the right circumstances)
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Errant Gin Monks posted:McMagics goalposts are odd. Regardless I think this is a good card that has many uses. If one of those same uses is "Eat a murderous cut so my rhino next turn doesn't" that's a drat good use of 3 mana. And that's if you just jam it turn 3. Dropping it turn 6 with a rhino in play is broken. After that turn it's just "attack. Main phase two bounce my rhino twice. 12 point swing WHEEE" I'd rather cast a mentor + Painful truths for 6 than play this dude and flicker a rhino. Or play a Mastery and Activate it. Or play a dragonmaster outcast with countermagic up. Or a number of other things...
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Jan 4, 2016 21:58
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TheKingofSprings posted:http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11185&d=263578&f=ST $800 for a standard deck. Christ sake.
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Jan 4, 2016 22:01
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Errant Gin Monks posted:It depends on if the next 5 battle lands come out, mana bases will be modern good for the next 3 months of that's the case. My guess the new inni set will have the checklands. I loving love checklands in standard.
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Jan 4, 2016 22:02
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There's probably some broken things you can do with it (maybe even consistently), but to me it seems too slow/inefficient to dick around with semi-fair things. Of course, new cards could change that assessment.
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Jan 4, 2016 22:04
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mandatory lesbian posted:it's not gonna be played in vintage, let's not go crazy I tried really hard to come up with a goofy set of cards to get a turn 0 kill with this but the best I can do involves a really complicated series of events involving Omnscience, Mind Over Matter, Archivist and Laboratory Maniac and it doesn't really utilize the Eldrazi that well.
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Jan 4, 2016 22:05
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mandatory lesbian posted:it's not gonna be played in vintage, let's not go crazy Channel + this + Thragtusk = infinite life/mana/tokens 
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Jan 4, 2016 22:18
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TheKingofSprings posted:Channel + this + Thragtusk = infinite life/mana/tokens Eat a dick splinter twin.
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Jan 4, 2016 22:24
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Errant Gin Monks posted:It depends on if the next 5 battle lands come out, They aren't. If they were, they'd be expeditions, and we already know all 20 expeditions.
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Jan 4, 2016 22:32
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Jan 4, 2016 22:46
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I thought we were supposed to get some good equipment?
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So this is what we get. Comically bad Flame Slash that becomes a bad Flame Slash if you cast another spell first.
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is bone saw worth playing to enable surge? Notable in that clutch of tentacles returns bone saw to your hand when it resolves. Obviously everflowing Chalice would be better but I mean they're probably never reprinting that given how they feel about ramp at 2cmc so  .
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suicidesteve posted:So this is what we get. Comically bad Flame Slash that becomes a bad Flame Slash if you cast another spell first. You'll probably play the first two every time in draft, I suppose it has the ineffable stench of a limited card about it
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Rinkles posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8I43bF840s
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UberJew posted:You'll probably play the first two every time in draft, I suppose There is no way this is worth a card in limited.
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mcmagic posted:There is no way this is worth a card in limited. I was responding to the guy talking about boulder salvo, not the equipment
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It's a reprint, in case anyone has experience from Conflux limited. (Bone Saw)
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UberJew posted:I was responding to the guy talking about boulder salvo, not the equipment Oh my mistake. That is probably limited playable though I won't be happy to play it.
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mcmagic posted:Oh my mistake. That is probably limited playable though I won't be happy to play it. this sort of 5 mana removal is just what we get these days</sutcliffe>
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Jan 4, 2016 22:54
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Nerf Storm is underwhelming. Was pyromancer's Ascension too good?
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I think my favorite part about the "if you cast your second spell this turn" cards is that the rewards for doing it are mediocre as poo poo. 3R: "Did you play two spells in the deck that generally has no cards left on turn 5? Yes? Shock something. Wooooo."
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Terrible Horse posted:Nerf Storm is underwhelming. Was pyromancer's Ascension too good? The deck featuring Pyromancer's Ascension has been nerfed into oblivion so that kind of answers the question.
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Terrible Horse posted:Nerf Storm is underwhelming. Was pyromancer's Ascension too good? It was getting too consistent t3 kills
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