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dispatch_async: Nov 28, 2014; Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

Jeremy Corbyn�s �revenge reshuffle� claims its first victim... the press

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Journalists reporting on Prime Minister�s Questions have frequently marvelled at The Corbyn Stare. This afternoon, they got to experience it for themselves.

Word had got out that the Labour leader was putting his so-called �revenge reshuffle� into action. Eager news hounds gathered in the stairwell near his parliamentary office.

The sight seemed to amuse the leader�s spin doctors. �It�s like a picket line out here,� chortled Kevin Slocombe, his spokesman. �We do like a picket line!� chimed in Seumas Milne, his director of communications. The two men shuffled off. The news hounds continued to wait.

Abruptly, the door at the top of the stairs swung open. Standing behind it, however, was not a grim-faced Hilary Benn, or a gloomy Maria Eagle. It was Jeremy Corbyn himself.

�Excuse me, guys,� he snapped, with the same headmasterly irritation he reserves for unruly Tories at PMQs. �Do you mind not hanging around outside my office?�

Silently the journalists glanced at each other, and then at their feet, as if they�d just been caught playing football in the school corridor. Although they didn�t dare meet it, they could feel The Corbyn Stare burning into them. Their cheeks prickled with shame.

�Could you all leave, please,� said the headmaster testily.

There was another silence. And then, still without a word, the children traipsed sheepishly down the stairs.

Shortly, a Labour underling was dispatched to stand guard over the stairwell.

It was a curious day. Those tipped for promotion went on TV and radio to insist that they were very happy in their current jobs, thank you, and it was all just speculation from the silly old media. Diane Abbott said she wasn�t thinking about anything other than her work as shadow international development secretary, which was �very important�.

But not as important as the work of a shadow foreign secretary, surely? �Well, I don�t know about that,� she said, as convincingly as she could manage.

Clive Lewis, meanwhile, was sure that it was much too early in his career for him to become shadow defence secretary � although if Mr Corbyn considered his promotion �essential�, he was prepared to �think about it�.

Mr Lewis � a firm supporter of Mr Corbyn � rejected the idea that Labour was at war with itself. At heart, he explained, Labour was �a family� � and wasn�t it normal for families to have �differences of opinion� over Christmas?

Possibly, although most families� festive rows tend not to end with Granny being demoted to uncle, or the dog being promoted to nanny.

Wes Streeting, a Labour moderate, complained that the reshuffle rumours were overshadowing the vital work that shadow ministers had been carrying out. He launched into a list of examples. �We had Michael Dugher talking about the gendering of children�s toys��

With any luck, we�ll be able to confirm the new shadow cabinet tomorrow. Provided, of course, that Mr Corbyn gives us permission.

The Telegraph also have a hilarious live blog where they keep posting about how nothing is happening and what that means: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12080687/Jeremy-Corbyn-begins-Labour-shadow-cabinet-revenge-reshuffle-live.html

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News or no news?
Reports were swirling about 15 minutes ago that Corbyn�s team would be briefing out any announcements imminently, but those are being played down now.
In short, nobody knows when we might hear anything official � and if there is even anything official to be briefed as of yet. Could be tonight, could be tomorrow.
Confusion reigns.

Benn leaves Corbyn meeting - makes no comment

Silence descends
All quiet on the reshuffle front. Presumption is Corbyn and his team are putting in calls to those affected � but all the indications are this could go late into the night.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 20:46

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 04:00

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

dispatch_async posted:

Jeremy Corbyn�s �revenge reshuffle� claims its first victim... the press

The Telegraph also have a hilarious live blog where they keep posting about how nothing is happening and what that means: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12080687/Jeremy-Corbyn-begins-Labour-shadow-cabinet-revenge-reshuffle-live.html

They're not the only one's running a live blog. The BBC and New Statesman also have Live Blogs where gently caress all is happening and how that might affect Labour. I want to see which one breaks down and starts crying first.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 20:52

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Fans posted:

They're not the only one's running a live blog. The BBC and New Statesman also have Live Blogs where gently caress all is happening and how that might affect Labour. I want to see which one breaks down and starts crying first.

it's managed to knock floods, the doctors' strike, and the train thing off the front pages, so there's that at least

# ? Jan 4, 2016 20:54

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Says more about the press' priorities rather than any fault of Corbyn's. Personally I hope it's just Corbyn welcoming people back from their holidays, having a brief chat and then asking them not to talk to the press for a laugh.

Speaking of dead men walking though.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/04/labour-mp-simon-danczuk-facing-police-inquiry-rape-allegation?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Labour MP Simon Danczuk is facing a police investigation after a rape allegation was made against him.

A Lancashire police spokeswoman said on Monday: �We can confirm that we have today received a report of a rape against a 49-year-old man. Inquiries are ongoing.�

It is understood that the allegation is against Danczuk, who has been under mounting pressure after a series of revelations about his private life.

Danczuk declined to comment on the allegation after the statement was made by police. But speaking to reporters earlier in the day, Danczuk said he would cooperate with any police investigation. �I would always cooperate with the police in any regard in any investigation in relation to any issue,� he said.

Danczuk has been MP for Rochdale since 2010 and hit the headlines two years later after exposing Cyril Smith, the late Liberal MP, as a paedophile. He co-wrote a book on Smith and first named him as a child abuser in parliament, months before the police confirmed that the late MP should have been prosecuted over abuse claims.

He has been a prominent campaigner against child abuse in recent years and has also has been a fierce critic of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, whom he said last October he would try to oust if the party did badly in this May�s devolved and local elections.

He has admitted to having a drink problem and his personal relationships have also hit the headlines in the past year.

At the weekend, Danczuk�s first wife accused him of being a sexual predator in an interview with the Mail on Sunday. Sonia Rossington, who was married to the MP for a decade, accused him of drug-taking and sexually abusive behaviour during their marriage.

Danczuk responded to Rossington�s claims, telling the Mail On Sunday: �She is consumed by bitterness, is susceptible to drinking too much and is telling lies.�

The Labour MP has been in the spotlight over the past few days after being suspended by the party, which is investigating his conduct over an entirely separate allegation, in which admitted sending explicit texts to a 17-year-old girl after she asked him for a job in his constituency office.

The MP apologised unreservedly and blamed a drink problem for the messages he sent to Sophena Houlihan when she was 17.

Houlihan, who is now 18, said Danczuk sent her numerous messages including one asking if she wanted a �spanking�.

Pressure on Danczuk to resign intensified on Monday night as Peter Saunders, the founder of one of Britain�s biggest child abuse charities, the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, said the MP had �no excuses whatsoever� for his behaviour towards Houlihan.

�I want to register my disgust at not only his behaviour but his attempts to defend himself instead of doing the honourable thing, which is resigning immediately as a member of parliament,� said Saunders, who was last year appointed by Pope Francis to a special commission on child sexual abuse in the Catholic church.

Saunders� comments came hours after a small demonstration outside Danczuk�s constituency office in Rochdale ended in ugly scenes when two men confronted the MP in the town centre, shouting: �Resign, you scumbag,� as he retreated to his office. Danczuk later said he had reported one of the men to police.

A group of around two dozen protesters � many of whom were political opponents of Danczuk � had earlier gathered outside his constituency office before marching through Rochdale demanding his resignation.

Speaking after the protest had finished, Danczuk described the demonstrators as a �ragtag of political opponents� and �malcontents� and said he had been �humbled� by the reaction of his constituents, who he said were sticking by him.

The MP also suggested he was the victim of an establishment class war, saying he had been lambasted for his �working-class colourful personal life� while people acting with similar colourful lives from upper class backgrounds were not vilified.

The MP�s personal life has repeatedly made headlines over the past year, following the collapse of his marriage to his second wife, Karen, who was dubbed the �selfie queen� after posting numerous photographs of herself on social media.

Greater Manchester police have previously confirmed that they had looked into a report that Danczuk had been �communicating inappropriately with a teenage girl� after a complaint was made to them on 29 December 2015. �This matter was looked into and it has been determined that no offences have been committed,� they said in a statement.

It is understood that Labour is considering dropping Ken Livingstone from any inquiry into Danczuk after the former mayor of London criticised the MP for Rochdale last week. Danczuk claimed Livingstone has prejudged any inquiry.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:01

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

"Upper class child molesters don't get punished so neither should I" is certainly an interesting defence.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:04

Pork Pie Hat: Apr 27, 2011

OwlFancier posted:

"Upper class child molesters don't get punished so neither should I" is certainly an interesting defence.

"I slipped and fell into her" worked last month so....

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:07

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Fans posted:

They're not the only one's running a live blog. The BBC and New Statesman also have Live Blogs where gently caress all is happening and how that might affect Labour. I want to see which one breaks down and starts crying first.

So does LabourList. It's hilarious.

We also need to make #CorbynStare a thing right now.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:09

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Cross posting from the Scotland thread.

http://www.scotsman.com/regions/glasgow-strathclyde/artist-paid-15k-to-live-in-glasgow-for-a-year-1-3991348

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AN ARTIST�S pledge not to leave Scotland�s largest city for one year as part of a research project has prompted a backlash on social media.

Ellie Harrison was awarded �15,000 by Creative Scotland to fund The Glasgow Effect, which aims to challenge the �demand for travel� facing artists and academics.

The 36-year-old, a lecturer in contemporary art practices at Duncan of Jordanstone College in Dundee, said the experiment would enable her �to cut her carbon footprint and increase her sense of belonging, by encouraging her to seek out and create local opportunities.�

Harrison will not leave the Greater Glasgow area until 2017, except in the event of the ill-health or death of a close relative or friend.

But critics soon took to the project�s Facebook page to question the project�s objectives, with its title attracting particular concern.

The Glasgow Effect is a term regularly used to describe the city�s poor public health record when compared to other places in the UK and Western Europe with similar recent histories of economic deprivation and desindustrialisation.

�I know literally hundreds of people who�ve been creating art of all descriptions in Glasgow for years and funding it from our day jobs or from hosting fundraisers,� said Kenny Leckie in a post on the project�s Facebook page.

�Doesn�t this disrespect everyone who doesn�t have that luxury of being funded to create art and who lives here because they can�t afford to move away?�

Cara Connolly said: �There are undoubtedly many people who will never have left Glasgow due to long term unemployment and poverty, and surely they themselves could better tell their experiences instead of some artist?�

Others supported the project. Lesley Cunningham said: �I think it�s an immersive, expansive and interesting idea and personally can�t wait to see the results.�

Harrison�s previous projects include Eat 22, in which she photographed everything she eat for one year. She is also responsible for the Bring Back British Rail campaign, which calls for the renationalisation of rail services in the UK.

A Creative Scotland spokesperson said: �Ellie�s project met the criteria for Open Project Funding to develop her practice and we await with interest, the outcome of her project.�

Harrison told The Scotsman she had been �overwhelmed� by the reaction to the project. She added she would explain it in more detail via a series of blog posts planned for later in the week.

You ever feel like you're being looked down on?

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:16

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

I hope they experience a lot of Glasgow kisses.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:17

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

I think it sounds like an interesting project.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:18

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

LemonDrizzle posted:

it's managed to knock floods, the doctors' strike, and the train thing off the front pages, so there's that at least

Yup. If there are no major changes then this has been handled loving appallingly by the Corbyn team. If there were no plans someone should have come out the day Corbyn got back from his Christmas break to say that Benn & Eagles will be safe & hey, haven't the Tories really hosed up dealing with flood prevention?

But instead this farce has totally overshadowed the good & important railway campaign they started this morning.

And if they do punt Benn/Eagles I'm not sure Corbyn lasts much past the May elections because the PLP will take it as a sign he's not willing to work with them, fairly or not. They've no interest in giving him the benefit of the doubt when so few wanted him to get the job in the first place.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:27

Soylent Green: Oct 29, 2004; It's people

Ellie's a good egg who's a climate change + rail nationalization campaigner which will almost certainly end up being a big part of the point of this project. A project that has recieved 0.14% of the OPF budget.

I'm unironically interested to see what she does and I'm sorely disappointed by the reactions so far. People are jumping to conclusions that I'm fairly certain won't be accurate at all.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:30

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

All true art is born from suffering.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:32

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

forkboy84 posted:

Yup. If there are no major changes then this has been handled loving appallingly by the Corbyn team. If there were no plans someone should have come out the day Corbyn got back from his Christmas break to say that Benn & Eagles will be safe & hey, haven't the Tories really hosed up dealing with flood prevention?

Wouldn't have worked. Anyone who wasn't Benn or Eagle would be up in arms with "What about me then! Does that mean it's me?" and he's either forced to do the reshuffle early due to his own leaks, which would be farcical, or refuse to answer in which case he's hanging members out to dry.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:43

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

dispatch_async posted:

There is a thing where some people on the left think that associating themselves with countryside pursuits enhances their proletariat credentials or makes them more authentic than urban ivory-tower Islington socialists, as if 'living off the land' was a thing that the modern day rural poor could actually do as an alternative to employment. If I had brought up banning driven grouse shooting in this thread last year there would have been opposition to the idea based on those kinds of arguments (I'm pretty sure at least one thread regular expressed support for it because it's a source of food and some people in the UK need to use foodbanks and therefore banning it would be an attack on the poor and hungry).

To be fair that was probably General China, who was sort of our Pissflaps of the Left.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:44

Jippa: Feb 13, 2009

I doubt even david blaine could survive for longer than a year in glasgow.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:44

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Soylent Green posted:

Ellie's a good egg who's a climate change + rail nationalization campaigner which will almost certainly end up being a big part of the point of this project. A project that has recieved 0.14% of the OPF budget.

I'm unironically interested to see what she does and I'm sorely disappointed by the reactions so far. People are jumping to conclusions that I'm fairly certain won't be accurate at all.

Then maybe she should get a job in carework. It'll pay roughly the same, she'll never have the time to get out of Glasgow and the rest of the time she can spend on her Tumblr blog.

We're always hiring.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:52

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Fans posted:

Wouldn't have worked. Anyone who wasn't Benn or Eagle would be up in arms with "What about me then! Does that mean it's me?" and he's either forced to do the reshuffle early due to his own leaks, which would be farcical, or refuse to answer in which case he's hanging members out to dry.

Then say there are no plans for a reshuffle right now & hold it off for a couple months, at least wait until the 6 month point before reshuffling. What difference does it actually make when Shadow Cabinet positions don't enact policy? Labour are doing an incredible job at not even attempting to have a coherent media strategy.

I get it. The press don't like them, don't treat them fairly. But tough poo poo. Suck it up. Not going to change so make the best of what you've got rather than wishing for a world where the press were fair & neutral. Don't give them poo poo like this on a platter. I know we like to dismiss polling because it's still very early days but that doesn't change that the polling keeps going down. This is a major concern, there should at least be a flatlining by this point. They don't know how to control a media cycle. That's a pretty big concern in this day & age.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 21:55

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

feedmegin posted:

To be fair that was probably General China, who was sort of our Pissflaps of the Left.

There was also a thread a while back with a fair few of us in support of the utility of rough shooting, which is explicitly not grouse shooting on a huge private estate, while also saying that it wouldn't be practical for every single person short on food to go out into the countryside for woodpigeon. I think it was started by some Tory op-ed suggesting that the urban poor go out to the countryside to forage for food.

Or maybe it was a lib-dem op-ed, I can't imagine the Tories too keen on a wave of city people descending on their hedgerows of an evening.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:00

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

There was also a thread a while back with a fair few of us in support of the utility of rough shooting, which is explicitly not grouse shooting on a huge private estate, while also saying that it wouldn't be practical for every single person short on food to go out into the countryside for woodpigeon. I think it was started by some Tory op-ed suggesting that the urban poor go out to the countryside to forage for food.

Or maybe it was a lib-dem op-ed, I can't imagine the Tories too keen on a wave of city people descending on their hedgerows of an evening.

It was a Daily Mail article about some Middle England middle class lady who went out and picked brambles and went on to blame anybody who was hungry on being too lazy to go out and dive into a hedge.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:03

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

forkboy84 posted:

Then say there are no plans for a reshuffle right now & hold it off for a couple months.

Then the press speculates for a couple of months anyway all the while the Shadow Ministers he hasn't removed but wants to talk poo poo about him knowing they've only got a few months left.

The press don't like him, so there is no way he can play stuff like this so the press is happy. It needed to be done and he's done it fairly quickly. He'll get a Shadow Cabinet he can hopefully actually work with and try turn things around without every week in the press having "An anonymous Shadow Minister said that Corbyn is literally the worst and running the party into the ground."

Fans fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jan 4, 2016

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:03

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Gonzo McFee posted:

It was a Daily Mail article about some Middle England middle class lady who went out and picked brambles and went on to blame anybody who was hungry on being too lazy to go out and dive into a hedge.

My Granny does that round her council estate but they don't grow all year round.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:04

Soylent Green: Oct 29, 2004; It's people

Gonzo McFee posted:

Then maybe she should get a job in carework. It'll pay roughly the same, she'll never have the time to get out of Glasgow and the rest of the time she can spend on her Tumblr blog.

We're always hiring.

Can the two not coexist? You do an incredibly important job that is horrendously underfunded and under appreciated but I can also guarantee this is a paycut for her to make a point about inherent hypocrisy in the way the art world functions. I'd argue that the arts budget is a fraction of what it should be as well. I'm 100% biased given that I work in the arts but I think it's a bit disingenuous to label her as just a tumblr blogger.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:06

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Fans posted:

Then the press speculates for a couple of months anyway all the while the Shadow Ministers he hasn't removed but wants to talk poo poo about him knowing they've only got a few months left.

The press don't like him, so there is no way he can play stuff like this so the press is happy. It needed to be done and he's done it fairly quickly. He'll get a Shadow Cabinet he can hopefully actually work with and try turn things around.

I certainly hope you're right but FYI, not actually saying he should play this to make the press happy. He should play it so the people who watch/read/listen to the press don't think he's completely out of his depth & utterly clueless. An image of "well intentioned but unprepared for government" tends not to win elections, even against comic book evil like Gideon Osbourne, as Ed Miliband showed.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:07

Loving Africa Chaps: Dec 3, 2007; We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

Renfield posted:

It's worth pointing out that junior doctors are not trainees, they are doctors who aren't consultants, surgeons etc yet.
They are training/studying, but they are not trainees

vvv fair enough

No although some people don't like the label we are trainees in the sense we are continually learning about our chosen specialties up to and beyond the day we become consultants. I'm 4 years post medical school and I've only done the first half of my exams for my primary specialty.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:12

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

forkboy84 posted:

I certainly hope you're right but FYI, not actually saying he should play this to make the press happy. He should play it so the people who watch/read/listen to the press don't think he's completely out of his depth & utterly clueless.

That's impossible to do when he's got Shadow Ministers going behind his back to give the press quotes about how he's out of his depth and utterly clueless. He went in with a Shadow Cabinet that he felt would be conciliatory to those whose side lost in the leadership election, perhaps not realizing just how sore a bunch of losers they'd be.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:12

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Except the articles would still be 'ANONYMOUS SOURCES SAY CORBYN IS PURGING CABINET*'

*More on page 9. *on page 9*: Corbyn denies any intention to reshuffle.

E: I mean seriously, it's not like any of the four other times anonymous sources have leaked reshuffle rumours it's actually come to anything, but the press have still reported it as cast-iron fact unapologetically.

thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Jan 4, 2016

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:12

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Fans posted:

That's impossible to do when he's got Shadow Ministers going behind his back to give the press quotes about how he's out of his depth and utterly clueless. He went in with a Shadow Cabinet that he felt would be conciliatory to those whose side lost in the leadership election, perhaps not realizing just how sore a bunch of losers they'd be.

Right, great. Who is he replacing him with? You realise there simply aren't enough Labour left MP's to make up a cabinet? And that aside, if he tries, he'll get kicked out by the PLP.

The reason you have a broad coalition of all wings isn't just to stop people from outside pissing into the tent. It's also because if you alienate a wing of the party that has most of the MPs you suddenly end up not really having a party to lead any more. The backbenchers won't vote with him on anything & his position would be untenable

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:17

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Soylent Green posted:

Can the two not coexist? You do an incredibly important job that is horrendously underfunded and under appreciated but I can also guarantee this is a paycut for her to make a point about inherent hypocrisy in the way the art world functions. I'd argue that the arts budget is a fraction of what it should be as well. I'm 100% biased given that I work in the arts but I think it's a bit disingenuous to label her as just a tumblr blogger.

You're right she's also a former tea blogger.

She's getting �15,000 to stay in Glasgow. The City of Glasgow. In 2016. There are no massive hindrances she's put on herself here. It's Down and Out In Paris and London with far lower stakes.

Basically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM

Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jan 4, 2016

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:18

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

forkboy84 posted:

Right, great. Who is he replacing him with? You realise there simply aren't enough Labour left MP's to make up a cabinet?

That's bollocks. No one but a die hard "gently caress Corbyn" MP is going to pass up the opportunity to raise their profile by being a Shadow Minister. Labour has 231 MP's, he can find enough to fill a Shadow Cabinet.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:20

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Fans posted:

That's bollocks. No one but a die hard "gently caress Corbyn" MP is going to pass up the opportunity to raise their profile by being a Shadow Minister. Labour has 231 MP's, he can find enough to fill a Shadow Cabinet.

But you're not just looking for any old body, if you've just sacked Benn or Eagles then you're clearly wanting someone who will toe the line & not brief against the leader constantly. I'm saying finding enough of those people to fill a shadow cabinet will be quite difficult, especially as you can't just fill the Shadow Cabinet with first term MPs, & ideally it's helpful to have someone on the backbenches who supports you!

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:22

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Gonzo McFee posted:

You're right she's also a former tea blogger.

She's getting �15,000 to stay in Glasgow. The City of Glasgow. In 2016. There are no massive hindrances she's put on herself here. It's Down and Out In Paris and London with far lower stakes.

Basically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM

This has come up on my facebook a couple of times today. At least I know what it's about now, but I don't know how much is accurate and how much is internet outrage machine.

quote:

A 4-step program to make folk less raging:

1. People are pissed off because of the project's implication that living/working in Glasgow is like survival mode for your career. Glasgow's a big city and a prominent arts hub, not much of a challenge. Living in a croft on some desolate Hebridean crag, making sculptures out of peat and driftwood, riding into town on a donkey and selling them at the market would be far more interesting - as would virtually anything that isn't just getting paid to do what an artist would be doing anyway.

2. People are pissed off because you're getting �15,000 to live and work in Glasgow, something that a lot of people do anyway, often without thinking about it and sometimes for less money in total income than you're getting in funding alone. If you want to make a project about living constraints in the Glasgow area, do something with poverty - do some work in the East End, paint a mural or something so that people will see the money is going back into good things for the community, and they won't begrudge you it.

3. People are pissed off because you're doing a year-long project about how hard it is to exist in Glasgow, yet your page is full of wee chuckles at the poor - the reference to low life expectancy (that's what the Glasgow effect is) and the cover photo of hunners of chips. You might not give a gently caress about poverty, but I bet you there's folk in Shettleston that would swap their right eye for a shot at �15k and a year of arts and crafts.

4. People are pissed off because it looks like you're getting free money to do the fattest part of gently caress all. You've got a blog linked at the top of the page with nothing on it. If I could click on that and see tons of interesting stories about what you'd been up to, how you're spending the money, what lessons you've learned and how it's actually a lot harder than folk are giving you credit for, maybe I wouldn't be nearly as cynical about this. At the moment though, the blog is barren as gently caress and for all we know you're spending the money on Diet Coke and loving lycra deerstalkers or whatever it is that art students are into these days. If it's a genuine challenge that the average person can't do, prove it and show us some interesting poo poo; if anyone can do it, what's the loving point in the first place?

At the end of the day, art is art and you can do what you like - you're already on �15k and the kind of free publicity you'd struggle to buy with double that, so fair play to you. If you want folk to get off your back though, either address the above points or go live in a basement flat in Easterhouse for the duration, invoking a legally binding, Trading Places-style pact whereby you send some random jakey with a heart of gold to art school for a year so he can learn how much fun he could have been having with felt and ceramics if only he hadn't been trapped in the cultural wasteland that is Glasgow for all these years.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:26

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

Gonzo McFee posted:

It was a Daily Mail article about some Middle England middle class lady who went out and picked brambles and went on to blame anybody who was hungry on being too lazy to go out and dive into a hedge.

If they did she'd be the first to complain about how there's never any brambles anymore because no good poors keep picking them all :bahgawd:

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:27

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

e: nvm

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:29

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

forkboy84 posted:

But you're not just looking for any old body, if you've just sacked Benn or Eagles then you're clearly wanting someone who will toe the line & not brief against the leader constantly. I'm saying finding enough of those people to fill a shadow cabinet will be quite difficult, especially as you can't just fill the Shadow Cabinet with first term MPs, & ideally it's helpful to have someone on the backbenches who supports you!

There's no real reason to sack Benn as he's a nice enough guy and clearly doesn't bear any ill will to Corbyn. He's just in the wrong position right now.

Maria Eagle is almost sure to go. Angela Eagle probably will as well. Lord Falconer maybe and that's all he needs to do. Rosie Winterton isn't a rebel even if the press wants to try make her out to be one and everyone else is pretty much on side.

It's not a mammoth task he's got here. He's going to have to replace two or three MP's and a wide field to choose from.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:32

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

Guavanaut posted:

4. People are pissed off because it looks like you're getting free money to do the fattest part of gently caress all. You've got a blog linked at the top of the page with nothing on it. If I could click on that and see tons of interesting stories about what you'd been up to, how you're spending the money, what lessons you've learned and how it's actually a lot harder than folk are giving you credit for, maybe I wouldn't be nearly as cynical about this. At the moment though, the blog is barren as gently caress and for all we know you're spending the money on Diet Coke and loving lycra deerstalkers or whatever it is that art students are into these days. If it's a genuine challenge that the average person can't do, prove it and show us some interesting poo poo; if anyone can do it, what's the loving point in the first place?

"Why can't I see the end results of this project before the project has started?"

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:32

Hitler B. Natural: Feb 11, 2014

It's okay guys Danczuk just said he never.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:36

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

OwlFancier posted:

My Granny does that round her council estate but they don't grow all year round.

Meh, every time I'm in the countryside I see whole FIELDS full of corn and potatoes and stuff. It's just sat there growing: all you need to do is pull it out of the ground!

Feckless poors just can't be motivated to do that.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:36

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Renaissance Robot posted:

"Why can't I see the end results of this project before the project has started?"

It was more the 'is full of snarky poo poo about poors' and 'poverty tourism without doing anything about poverty' that I was wondering whether it had any merit or was internet outrage.

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:37

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 04:00

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

Fans posted:

Maria Eagle is almost sure to go. Angela Eagle probably will as well. Lord Falconer maybe and that's all he needs to do.

Eagle, Eagle and Falconer? Just what is with Jeremy Corbyn's sinister agenda against birds?

# ? Jan 4, 2016 22:37

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