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I was under the assumption that for the majority of the country's history, the 2nd amendment was not interpreted as "free guns for all".
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Jan 5, 2016 19:36
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McDowell posted:Build a wall around Texas. Nuke Texas and take their oil IMO.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:37
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Luigi Thirty posted:*dances into thread* Lumping the mentally ill in with mass murderers doesn't help reduce the stigma against seeking diagnosis or treatment. This might be counterproductive. *dances out of thread* Mass murderers are pretty universally mentally ill though? I mean, they should probably be more specific in the messaging as to what sort of mental illness needs to be looked into for gun purchase issues, but you need to start somewhere. Schools and parents need to be more alert for issues and warning signs so that these things can be handled before they become a real problem. For example, I probably should not have had access to firearms until my own issues were treated as, hell at some points I was a bad week away (or in one incident a phone call away) from a Columbine reenactment and/or suicide by shotgun. That feeling of isolation, of hopelessness and that everyone is laughing at you behind your back is soul crushing. Add getting bullied to that, and you've got a time bomb if not properly treated. We need that focus on mental health to show just how serious a problem it can become. It can save your life, and the lives of others to get treated.
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zoux posted:Here's his actual statement:
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Jan 5, 2016 19:39
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Yeah I know what you guys think because I think it as well, I was wondering what cases gave primacy to "shall not be infringed" over "well regulated militia".
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Jan 5, 2016 19:40
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blue squares posted:I wanna throw a stick in the spokes of Greg Abbot's dumb wheelchair He's genuine poo poo.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:41
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One of the concerns of the states during ratifying conventions was that the establishment of a federal army would mean that their militias would get conscripted by the central government and sent to fight conflicts on the other side of the country. If you're living in Georgia in 1789, which is still 80% controlled by the Native Americans, you might be understandably worried that your only defensive force could be sent to Maine for years at a time. Hence the need to enshrine state control of militias and gun ownership in the constitution.
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Joementum posted:One of the concerns of the states during ratifying conventions was that the establishment of a federal army would mean that their militias would get conscripted by the central government and sent to fight conflicts on the other side of the country. If you're living in Georgia in 1789, which is still 80% controlled by the Native Americans, you might be understandably worried that your only defensive force could be sent to Maine for years at a time. Hence the need to enshrine state control of militias and gun ownership in the constitution. Also slave societies have slave rebellions.
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Nonsense posted:Also slave societies have slave rebellions. True, but from what I've read, that didn't come up at the ratifying conventions.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:44
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Inferior Third Season posted:Much like how many Christians have convinced themselves of the apocryphal story that a camel going through the eye of a needle was actually a fairly easily achieved accomplishment due to the "needle" being a city gate or some other bullshit, there has been a willful decision by many over the past two centuries to re-translate the plain language of "well regulated militia" to mean "each individual citizen". Enough of these self-deluded jackasses were judges, leading to problems because our judicial system commonly defers to precedent when interpreting what certain legal language means. Have you seen me play counter strike, bro? I am a well regulated militia.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:44
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zoux posted:Yeah I know what you guys think because I think it as well, I was wondering what cases gave primacy to "shall not be infringed" over "well regulated militia".
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Jan 5, 2016 19:48
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Logikv9 posted:I was under the assumption that for the majority of the country's history, the 2nd amendment was not interpreted as "free guns for all".
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Jan 5, 2016 19:49
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It is looking to be a good EO. Can't wait to see people rage about things they support.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:49
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zoux posted:Ugh we're never going to be free of Romneys or Bushes are we. He'll stare his problems away.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:49
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Talmonis posted:Mass murderers are pretty universally mentally ill though? I mean, they should probably be more specific in the messaging as to what sort of mental illness needs to be looked into for gun purchase issues, but you need to start somewhere. Schools and parents need to be more alert for issues and warning signs so that these things can be handled before they become a real problem. Mass murderers are typically radicalized white people, which isn't the same as somebody who isn't taking their schizophrenia meds. They're called mentally ill for the same reason the Oregon dorks are called protesters
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Jan 5, 2016 19:50
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TheDisreputableDog posted:"If we can save the life of just one child, we have to do it!"
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zoux posted:Yeah I know what you guys think because I think it as well, I was wondering what cases gave primacy to "shall not be infringed" over "well regulated militia". The argument, which I am not particularly interested in defending, is that "well regulated" had more the meaning of "working right" than "working pursuant to codified rules". Thus the phrasing being about knowing that when you muster up the militia they'll be able to function like a militia (that is, know how to shoot). This is the view that Scalia took in Heller.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:52
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If Congress attempts to impeach him over this, he will have hosed up and he should have gone full gun ban.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:54
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The modern gun rights movement took off after some sort of Cincinnati putsch, which I think was years or even decades earlier than Heller in 2008. Surely there was case law on this prior to that?
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Jan 5, 2016 19:54
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Nonsense posted:If Congress attempts to impeach him over this, he will have hosed up and he should have gone full gun ban. I was about to say "Surely they know they wouldn't have enough of the vote" but then I realized that they don't care.
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Jan 5, 2016 19:56
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Obama: I'm not trying to take everyone's guns. Supposedly from the Cruz campaign: 
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Jan 5, 2016 20:02
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Obama took all of my guns just now and I'm on the train car to the FEMA camp and I have to get gay married and Facebook is charging me a monthly fee. Guns are now illegal. The gun police came to confiscate my guns today, I them I was a criminal, they let me keep my guns. Welcome to Obama's America.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:02
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Today in History Nixon: Shuttle's fine.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:04
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zoux posted:The modern gun rights movement took off after some sort of Cincinnati putsch, which I think was years or even decades earlier than Heller in 2008. Surely there was case law on this prior to that?
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Jan 5, 2016 20:05
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I do like how the Canadian BNA act realized what a dumb loving idea this was and had the federal government have the residual powers.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:11
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:What a bunch of loving cowards, nobody would know they "occupied" that place for months if they didn't tell anybody. I smell a goon project: get #OccupyOffseason trending. 
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Jan 5, 2016 20:12
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Space Pegasus. Jesus Christ.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:14
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Lacks excitement? Should've called it the Space Jeb!
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Jan 5, 2016 20:18
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Some options are  SPACE CLIPPER and do you really want me to list more options?
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crazy cloud posted:Space Pegasus.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:21
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 It's written on parchment, Odumbass.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:23
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Obama should release a video of him opening the Constitution's display case and touching it.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:30
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I think Starlighter is a great name for a motel on the edge of town. I can already see the big asymmetrical sign and the 50s font.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:30
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SedanChair posted:Obama should release a video of him opening the Constitution's display case and touching it. And then looking at the back of it, turning to the camera, and saying, "Now I know where the treasure is  "
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Jan 5, 2016 20:31
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SedanChair posted:Obama should release a video of him opening the Constitution's display case and touching it. with his dick
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Jan 5, 2016 20:33
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One of the things that irritates me the most are smug right wing twitter pundits acting like a man who taught con law at the U of Chicago doesn't know poo poo about the constitution.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:33
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:I think Starlighter is a great name for a motel on the edge of town. I can already see the big asymmetrical sign and the 50s font. I first read starlighter as starlifter and thought that would be a decent name since the shuttle was basically a space faring pickup truck.
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Jan 5, 2016 20:33
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:with his dick After having seen Hateful Eight this won't stop being hilarious... and what he should do.
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Put the Consitituon on the ground on a basketball court and have Biden iPhone slow-mo video Obama dunking over it repeatedly
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