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Not quite the same Theme but pretty interesting - Installing MSDOS 5 right through to Windows 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14
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That slightly "wtf"-look on the boy's face, though. He doesn't look like he'll be a 'trek fan just because a computer is involved. Since this was from an old page, you may call my post obsolete and failed now.
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Fuzz1111 posted:The thing is it will be much worse than it was back then because it's a different internet now, and without broadband many websites just aren't usable at all anymore. Back in 2007/2008 I did something similar for my company's ISP portal page. At a time when they still had millions of dial-up users, the home page was just massive. I can't remember the numbers now, but a small JPG was 100kb. None of the web designers apparently knew you could Save for the Web in Photoshop. And then they went crazy on advertising. So start with a bunch of unoptimized media and then add Flash. I guess they expected people to use their 56k optimization software and cache everything. Needless to say, a huge percentage of support tickets were cache related. And there's your obsolete technology - 56k dial-up optimization. I think the Opera browser had one for your phone that essentially cached everything through Sweden.
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What's tragic is that website load speed has hit a bottom peak about 5 few years ago, much improved by Google Chrome, and just increased since. Many big sites you visit can take up to 5-10 seconds to load, because they integrate social media bullshit, clickbait bullshit, dozens of crosslinks to other articles, user comments, videos, image carousels, and of course a truckload of ads, which I don't see on my PC, but it's TERRIBLE on a mobile device. It's really sad. Couple that with the terrible modern webdesign ethos of having everything be a sea of white and grey with no borders or colors, and it's just awful. I truly hope we'll look back at current UI/web design in 10 years and mock it to hell, because gently caress it.
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Pilsner posted:What's tragic is that website load speed has hit a bottom peak about 5 few years ago, much improved by Google Chrome, and just increased since. Many big sites you visit can take up to 5-10 seconds to load, because they integrate social media bullshit, clickbait bullshit, dozens of crosslinks to other articles, user comments, videos, image carousels, and of course a truckload of ads, which I don't see on my PC, but it's TERRIBLE on a mobile device. It's really sad. News sites are some of the worst. I just want a list of everything that's happening - preferably without a lot of graphics so I can click around quickly. Pulling up CNN and it's a hot mess. I want a Drudge Report design that well, isn't Drudge Report. Oh the plus side I just learned Bill Cosby and Ethen Couch are getting arrested - so the year ends on a positive note.
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I remember there once was the "5kb website challenge" where the goal was to build a functional site that didn't blow past 5kb.
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Krispy Kareem posted:News sites are some of the worst. I just want a list of everything that's happening - preferably without a lot of graphics so I can click around quickly. Pulling up CNN and it's a hot mess. I want a Drudge Report design that well, isn't Drudge Report. I ditched following any form of news, televised, digital or written, about 5 years ago, and haven't been happier. It's 99% bull loving poo poo.
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Krispy Kareem posted:News sites are some of the worst. I just want a list of everything that's happening - preferably without a lot of graphics so I can click around quickly. Pulling up CNN and it's a hot mess. I want a Drudge Report design that well, isn't Drudge Report. When CNN changed over to this format, they had a page where people could log complaints. It was taken down within a day or so.
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Use RSS (yeah yeah heres another obsolete thing for the obsolete thing thread). I'm using Feedly on Desktop and Mr Reader connected to Feedly elsewhere, and I save articles straight to Pocket. I don't even
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Failed technology: hamburgers. I had two hamburgers and now I'm going to walk to the petrol station to get some pizza and meat pies and milk and maybe chocolate chip muffins because hamburgers have failed to sate my drunk hunger. I mean even with two kinds of mayonnaise it felt like nothing at all.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Failed technology: hamburgers. Congratulations on your obesity and creeping diabetes.
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Krispy Kareem posted:And there's your obsolete technology - 56k dial-up optimization. I think the Opera browser had one for your phone that essentially cached everything through Sweden. Norway, you peasant.  That data center is still running as the eastern Europe center (and fallback for the rest of the world), and IIRC it still provides 100% of the heating required for the fairly large office building it's in. The new main data centre is somewhere in Iceland, though. The tech is still around in new Opera, as "turbo" - though most of the use these days is probably opera mini and mobile. There's also "Opera Max" or whatever it's branded as now, their compressing proxy service for all traffic to/from your phone, but I think that's typically hosted by a cellphone provider. Computer viking has a new favorite as of 03:50 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Non Serviam posted:Congratulations on your obesity and creeping diabetes. It's a-running by now 
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Computer viking posted:The tech is still around in new Opera, as "turbo" - though most of the use these days is probably opera mini and mobile. Hey I still use that when I'm out in the country, on crappiest EDGE/GPRS ever with phone in modem mode it almost makes things not painful. I'd have to pay for satellite internet if they scrapped that service.
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loga mira posted:Use RSS (yeah yeah heres another obsolete thing for the obsolete thing thread). I'm using Feedly on Desktop and Mr Reader connected to Feedly elsewhere, and I save articles straight to Pocket. I don't even I always wanted to learn what the actual gently caress RSS is and how it works and how to use it to your ends and every time I'm completely lost.
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RSS basically tells you when there's a new post, article or whatever on the site. The non-forums part of SA has it hidden somewhat, the orange icons on the Directory page are RSS links, if you click on them you can see the list of articles in that feed and that is what the RSS reader will show you: https://www.somethingawful.com/rss/photoshop-phriday.xml Feedly is the service that handles your subscriptions, you make a Feedly account and then click the big "Add Content" button and pick the sites you want, or search for them. Another way to add subs is to search the website itself for a link to its rss feed (ctrl+f "rss" or "feed" usually works), copy and paste that into Feedly. Then you just check http://feedly.com/i/latest from time to time. Then there are mobile apps that will ask for your Feedly login and pass and will show the same stuff in a slightly different way, MR Reader is close to how Google Reader (RIP) looked like but there are many such apps, and Feedly has an official app of course. Some of those apps support services like Pocket and Instapaper so you can save items from the feed reader directly to them, without even visiting the website they came from.
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Krispy Kareem posted:And there's your obsolete technology - 56k dial-up optimization. I think the Opera browser had one for your phone that essentially cached everything through Sweden. Actually Chrome for iOS/Android can do that too - it's quite useful if you have capped mobile data so I wouldn't call it obsolete just yet
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A unified adblocker and/or site operators that stop video ads and shiity bandwidth sucking websites would be amazing,
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loga mira posted:RSS basically tells you when there's a new post, article or whatever on the site. The non-forums part of SA has it hidden somewhat, the orange icons on the Directory page are RSS links, if you click on them you can see the list of articles in that feed and that is what the RSS reader will show you: Is XML obsolete yet? Everyone uses JSON for web services now.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Is XML obsolete yet? Everyone uses JSON for web services now. XML will probably outlast most of us - but maybe not in web services?
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Ensign Expendable posted:Is XML obsolete yet? Everyone uses JSON for web services now. XML and its brethren are too convenient for it to be going anywhere. For instance, I use XSLT docs all the the time to order and format syslog data being streamed out of a bunch of devices. They're super easy to make and re-order if necessary and they allow me to have all my logs be aggregated in a standard format for automation. The hierarchical format is also extremely well-suited for device/service configuration files.
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Krispy Kareem posted:News sites are some of the worst. I just want a list of everything that's happening - preferably without a lot of graphics so I can click around quickly. I love Wikipedia's Current Events portal for that - it's literally a list of what's happening. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
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Ensign Expendable posted:Is XML obsolete yet? Everyone uses JSON for web services now. Pretty sure .docx is using XML. XML, in some form or another, will see us all put in the ground.
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dumb. posted:I love Wikipedia's Current Events portal for that - it's literally a list of what's happening. Hey, this is pretty neat. quote:Two Belgian policewomen and eight soldiers reportedly held an orgy at a police station in the Brussels neighbourhood of Ganshoren while colleagues hunted for the Paris terror attacks suspects. The police station was near Molenbeek, where anti-terror raids had been taking place. Police spokesman, Johan Berckmans, said “we have launched an investigation to find out what exactly happened". Insert joke about Belgian policewomen having their hands full.
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flosofl posted:XML and its brethren are too convenient for it to be going anywhere. For instance, I use XSLT docs all the the time to order and format syslog data being streamed out of a bunch of devices. They're super easy to make and re-order if necessary and they allow me to have all my logs be aggregated in a standard format for automation. XML is not for hierarchical data. It's for markup. If you want generic hierarchical data, try JSON or the like.
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Keiya posted:XML is not for hierarchical data. It's for markup. If you want generic hierarchical data, try JSON or the like. Eh, no. XML is not my favourite thing, but structure (with arbitrary levels of nesting) has always been a core part of XML - and of its ancestral SGML. Markup is at best a part of one of the uses it was originally intended for. JSON also has some drawbacks - XML might be a bit more verbose, but it can be validated, there's solid support in almost every language, and there's a large set of nice tools and libraries. The failure states and corner cases seem better specified too, but that could just be me not knowing JSON too well. Oh, and the whole concept of "let's use a weird subset of javascript as our data storage format" really irks me. Computer viking has a new favorite as of 00:08 on Jan 3, 2016 |
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XML also has a mature scheme definition language with XSD and a solid transformation and translation framework in XSLT. Not to mention virtually infinite support for both streaming and document models. It also compresses especially well making bandwidth concerns fairly negligible versus compressed JSON. In fact I can't think of many direct benefits of JSON as a format that doesn't include implementation of format support. As far as hierarchical data, both function similarly. However XML wins hands-down as far as metadata expression.
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My first job out of college was in photolithography engineering at a semiconductor fab that for let one of our vendors treat us as an alpha site for new tech. They rolled out this fancy new thing that varied laser intensity across very small distances to improve across-chip transistor gate length variation. It was very cool and the hardware was very much ready, but the software... ehh, not exactly a priority for them. So the hacked together solution was to make laser exposure calculations in Excel, transform the numbers into a very specific format with a macro, and then paste the output into an XML template that the hardware could (for some unfathomable reason) read and follow. Nobody there, myself included, had any clue about what XML was and how it worked. We were physicists, chemical engineers, etc. So we entrusted this "system" to run our $25 million tools on product worth many millions more. I've no idea whether that's still the process of record there... I sure as hell hope it isn't. Well, that's my XML story. It's 12 years later and I still don't know much about it. 
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That is pretty much exactly how it is used today. Someone cramming poo poo into random XML tags and someone having to figure out how to parse it. JSON is that but with {} and [] and a bunch of : too. I work in the ERP/POS industry but it's the same everywhere.
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well why not posted:XML, in some form or another, will see us all put in the ground. The Essence of XML posted:So the essence of XML is this: the problem it solves is not hard, and it does not solve the problem well.
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SLOSifl posted:That is pretty much exactly how it is used today. Someone cramming poo poo into random XML tags and someone having to figure out how to parse it. JSON is that but with {} and [] and a bunch of : too. and s-expressions are the same thing with (), and honestly when you get right down to it INI is the same thing but with [], ., and =. All of them are more readable than xml.
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Computer viking posted:Eh, no. XML is not my favourite thing, but structure (with arbitrary levels of nesting) has always been a core part of XML - and of its ancestral SGML. Markup is at best a part of one of the uses it was originally intended for. a "weird subset" of javascript? It's literally the way you write objects in javascript. Subset, perhaps - but it's not weird. And a modern language that can't parse JSON is severaly lacking at this point.
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Trabant posted:My first job out of college was in photolithography engineering at a semiconductor fab that for let one of our vendors treat us as an alpha site for new tech. They rolled out this fancy new thing that varied laser intensity across very small distances to improve across-chip transistor gate length variation. It was very cool and the hardware was very much ready, but the software... ehh, not exactly a priority for them. Sounds like what we did at Samsung but we were doing machine to machine overlay matching. Also with Excel. Goddamn did those measurements take forever to do.
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Wait, SAS? Worked there for a while after leaving the ASML + XML job I described. At that point I wasn't in photo, but still 
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Trabant posted:Wait, SAS? Worked there for a while after leaving the ASML + XML job I described. Yup, I was there when they were building out the 300mm line. Kind of the opposite of the subject matter in this thread though.
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Do failed children's toys count?
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Shifty Pony posted:Do failed children's toys count? 
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Shifty Pony posted:Yup, I was there when they were building out the 300mm line. But Fab 1 fits the thread topic perfectly!  Anyway, following links from the  thread dedicated to the same topic, Gene Roddenberry's floppy disks were finally read:quote:Several years after the death of Roddenberry, his estate found the 5.25-inch floppy disks. Although the Star Trek creator originally typed his scripts on typewriters, he later moved his writing to two custom-built computers with custom-made operating systems before purchasing more mainstream computers in advance of his death in 1991. from this article. Custom OS? That's... wholly unnecessary, even in the 80s. Hardcore though.
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Shifty Pony posted:Do failed children's toys count? You just know every child that tested that out hit themselves square in the face 9 times out of 10.
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