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feedmegin posted:Well, sort of. Britain didn't recognise that people could give up British nationality at the time, so someone born in Britain (note: including Ireland, at the time) was considered British and liable for impressment even if they'd emigrated to America. If you were born in America/didn't have a British or Irish accent you weren't getting press ganged. The Royal Navy tended to play fast and loose with that rule and just pressed anyone they could, really. The US Navy did so too during the Revolutionary War.
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I remember reading some incredible descriptions of artillery duels in GW1. The Iraqis were using tried and true ranging fire, while Coalition forces would use radar to track the incoming shells and figure out where they came from. Frequently the counter-barrage would be in the air before the Iraqi ranging fire landed and would generally be on target from the get go.
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Gully Foyle posted:Have to ask because Google is no help, what is a DEP or SEP? Google didn't help because I got my acronym wrong, it's DEF/SEP. Basically in the last months of WW2 so many Reich soldiers were surrendering to the Western armies that there wasn't a way to properly feed or shelter them, so we had to not properly feed or shelter them, and many of them died. However, we were the good guys and signatories of the Geneva Convention so we made up a new category of prisoner so the whole thing was nice and legal and not a nasty-wasty war crime. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmed_Enemy_Forces
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JcDent posted:S-Tanks? They're made to shoot at Soviet tanks from prepared positions and then run away (even had a second, rearward driving position). They're beatiful and I love them. NOOOOOO even before TheFluff gets here to beat you around the ears with stuff like ~documented evidence~, we're treading familiar ground here: the fact that the S-Tank had no appreciably different tasking than tanks in other Swedish armored units has been oft-repeated in this very thread!
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If I picked a tank in WW2 to be in, it would probably be any of those tanks that had supplies for making tea.
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Early war, Churchill Mark I to 3. After that Cromwell all the way baby yeah.
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Pick the Covenanter, never leave England.
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If I had to pick combat tanks, Jagdtiger for axis. That means I survived into 1945. Shoot a sherman from a mile away, have the gearbox blow out, then run away. Allies? Probably a Hellcat. Little buggers were fast and lethal. Open top though, but sure as hell not picking any of the other deathtraps.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Pick the Covenanter, never leave England. I was thinking along the same lines, except the Tortoise.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Pick the Covenanter, never leave England. Yeah, until you back Charles II at the Treaty of Breda and get crushed at Worcester, which... Oh, wait, still tank chat, carry on.
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Did I find out that I'd screwed up Robert Palmer's dates by a day , an hour *after* my internet connection went down! Yes! 100 Years Ago Here is a fixed link from the future. What jolly good fun and larks! Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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But leaving the UK is the best part about going to war!Trin Tragula posted:Did I find out that I'd screwed up Robert Palmer's dates by a day , an hour *after* my internet connection went down! Yes! Just have a picture of Captain Blackadder looking depressed.
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SeanBeansShako posted:But leaving the UK is the best part about going to war! Yeah no British man wants to stay at home and get owned by off-duty American servicemen with tons of money in every facet of their day-to-day life.
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I'll probably choose this  or this  (or a Swedish tank)
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Mr Enderby posted:Yeah, until you back Charles II at the Treaty of Breda and get crushed at Worcester, which... Oh, wait, still tank chat, carry on.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Did someone ask for a First Crusade effortpost while I was tragically unable to poo poo up this thread? I can write a First Crusade effortpost, complete with gratuitous Charlton Heston. I can provide commentary on this but couldn't (and can't) be arsed to do the whole post.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I remember reading some incredible descriptions of artillery duels in GW1. The Iraqis were using tried and true ranging fire, while Coalition forces would use radar to track the incoming shells and figure out where they came from. Frequently the counter-barrage would be in the air before the Iraqi ranging fire landed and would generally be on target from the get go. I also remembering sometimes the Iraqi's would just shell empty desert and the Coalition forces just let them waste ammo, while flanking around them and capturing them at times.
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Until today I though my region got through the 80 / 30 years war more or less ok. Turns ou that isn't quite true. After the peace in 1648 some now unemployed mercanaries from Lorraine stuck around. They continued to loot, so the people formed a militia to fight them off. The militia confronted the mercanaries on st Nicholas' day and proceeded to die horribly. quote:All [...] were shot, cleaved and pitiably and horribly deformed. Oh and people apparently built a monument to commemorate the fallen.. in 1975.
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that makes sense, lorraine was utterly hosed in the 40s, if that's where those people had been working they probably couldn't survive there over the long term and headed northwest edit: it was one of those areas where the peasants had started plowing with muskets slung over their shoulders HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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bewbies posted:Shoot and scoot, all day every day. Why do you think it isn't cost efficient in modern times? Well, how quickly can you tow them away before shells start falling? I assume SP artillery is much better at running away! Unless I totally misunderstand timeframes involved. Koesj posted:NOOOOOO Maybe he'll finally beat that stupid out of me (there's plenty of other stupid left). EDIT: o hey, on DEF/SEP, a quote from wiki: Niall Ferguson wrote that Bacque's "calculations grossly exaggerate both the number of Germans the Americans captured and their mortality" JcDent fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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Molentik posted:I'll probably choose this You can't choose a WH40k tank. Actually I want to change my vote to the Maus.
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Libluini posted:This talk about grandfathers makes me a bit jealous. My grandfather on my mother's side was just a normal business man and he was a child during WWII. Then there's the grandfather of my mom's ex, he was a soldier in the Wehrmacht and got captured by the Russians. After the war, he basically walked out of his POW-camp one day and just walked back home. Getting home as a German through Eastern Europe was astonishingly easy and straightforward for him, then again he never talked much about it. He died long before my birth, so all I have is third-rate accounts anyway. My grandfather fought in WW2, Korea and Vietnam. Could never get him to say a drat word about it  .
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JcDent posted:Well, how quickly can you tow them away before shells start falling? I assume SP artillery is much better at running away! Unless I totally misunderstand timeframes involved. Towed and SP guns are actually pretty similar in displacement times nowadays. A well trained crew can displace a 777 or 119 in about two minutes, and batteries/battalions can disperse gun pairs over pretty wide areas to avoid having to move the FDC/headquarters. That being said there is a lot of concern that even that timeline is insufficient in some cases which is why everyone has such a hardon for "proactive counterfire".
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Some guy(s) came into my /hwg/ and are going HITLER DIDN'T WANT TO KILL SLAVS. To wit: NonNaziBro posted:Hitler didn't care about slavs actually. There were some elements within the nsdap who did, but those were the minority. Huge parts of the eastern german (eastern and western prussia) population were at least partly slavs. There was even an ss general with slavic roots. BavarianAntiFa1488 posted:>who conspired to slaughter thousands of Slavs PeaceJungen posted:>>Nazis invade the Soviet Union 'AhTheseNamesAren'tFunnyAnyways posted:Hitler wanted to dominate Russia. It wasn't as much about the actual people as dominating the production. With the production of Russia, he would have a sure foothold in the world. Of course he looked down on people that weren't aryan, but I doubt he would be turning down any Ukrainian beauties who happened to be courtesans in Berlin. And so on...
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When people go out of their way to paint hitler in the best possible light. Good grief. He was absolutely down with killing undesirables.
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HEY GAL posted:that makes sense, lorraine was utterly hosed in the 40s, if that's where those people had been working they probably couldn't survive there over the long term and headed northwest Yeah, we'd managed to remain neutral for the last 80 years I think. So, probably a lot more pleasant to hang out than a place like lorraine. Pretty silly to stay unharmed for 80 years then get brutally owned right after the war ends. Maybe we should have had some kind of armed force instead of none.
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JcDent posted:Some guy(s) came into my /hwg/ your what?
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JcDent posted:Some guy(s) came into my /hwg/ and are going HITLER DIDN'T WANT TO KILL SLAVS. Link these idiots to Generalplan Ost and see how they weasel out of that one.
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Ensign Expendable posted:Link these idiots to Generalplan Ost and see how they weasel out of that one. Somehow I can already foresee their comeback: 
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Why even bother about this poo poo? It's not like you'll ever convince these degenerates.
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Press why the Nazis never bothered to prop up Slavic fascists/monarchists/nationalists against the Soviets? (Although they might bring up Ustashe) E: Oh wait the Croatian Ustase claimed to be Germanic Plutonis fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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JaucheCharly posted:Why even bother about this poo poo? It's not like you'll ever convince these degenerates. It's not about the degenerates, it's about the otherwise uneducated people that will see that post and think "huh, what do you know" and perpetuate this garbage. This is how you end up with "facts" that everyone knows but nobody has ever seen a citation for, at least until the "fact" makes its way into some lovely book that the degenerates will then start gleefully pointing to.
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The Belgian posted:Yeah, we'd managed to remain neutral for the last 80 years I think. edit: if you think what they say about hitler is funny, look at what they said about himmler
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Ensign Expendable posted:It's not about the degenerates, it's about the otherwise uneducated people that will see that post and think "huh, what do you know" and perpetuate this garbage. This is how you end up with "facts" that everyone knows but nobody has ever seen a citation for, at least until the "fact" makes its way into some lovely book that the degenerates will then start gleefully pointing to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ring%27s_Green_Folder
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Ensign Expendable posted:It's not about the degenerates, it's about the otherwise uneducated people that will see that post and think "huh, what do you know" and perpetuate this garbage. This is how you end up with "facts" that everyone knows but nobody has ever seen a citation for, at least until the "fact" makes its way into some lovely book that the degenerates will then start gleefully pointing to.
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Ensign Expendable posted:It's not about the degenerates, it's about the otherwise uneducated people that will see that post and think "huh, what do you know" and perpetuate this garbage. This is how you end up with "facts" that everyone knows but nobody has ever seen a citation for, at least until the "fact" makes its way into some lovely book that the degenerates will then start gleefully pointing to. It's going to be interesting in the next few decades if stuff like Wikipedia starts becoming even more accepted as "basically fact". i.e. like six years ago some friends of mine got really high and watched a documentary on the Liberian Civil War, after which they edited the Wikipedia page of the leader of one of the rebel groups jokingly putting themselves in as his long lost neglected children. The page has been edited like a dozen times since then and nobody has questioned why a Liberian general apparently has a Korean son. Things around it have been edited, but the paragraph clearly inserted by a bunch of stoned undergrads is on it's way to becoming accepted fact.
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Well it was Soviet evidence, obviously it's fake  Mr Luxury Yacht posted:It's going to be interesting in the next few decades if stuff like Wikipedia starts becoming even more accepted as "basically fact". RIP M103 Longstreet.
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Ensign Expendable posted:RIP M103 Longstreet.
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