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Snoke is extremely lame so I'm going to guess he's a crappy second-rate Sith no one cared about trying to play the part of looming archvillain now the big boys like Sheev and Vader aren't around. It's interesting his scars match up so closely with Vader's though, I doubt he's going to have any direct relation to him, but as he's basically a hosed up dessicated mash of of Vader and Sheev in appearance I'd be suprised if it's not significant in some respect
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Basebf555 posted:Plagueis is mentioned in the prequels at least once, possibly a few times. So if they aren't completely disowning the prequels, its a possibility. The whole thing between Plagueis and Palpatine is told in much more detail in the EU, but its not like Plagueis doesn't exist at all in the films. He's talked about for like 5 minutes right? Snokes music is supposed to be opera theme during that scene too  I still think Snoke is just going to be some evil mysterious villian, probably Sith, with no real ties to anything much like the Emperor was in the original series.
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greatn posted:Captain Tanaka. I promise I knew that from memory *pushes glasses up on nose* Actually it's Panaka. I don't know how I know that, but I do.
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greatn posted:Captain Tanaka. I promise I knew that from memory Panaka.  e: drat you Serf
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Snoke is extremely lame so I'm going to guess he's a crappy second-rate Sith no one cared about trying to play the part of looming archvillain now the big boys like Sheev and Vader aren't around. It's interesting his scars match up so closely with Vader's though, I doubt he's going to have any direct relation to him, but as he's basically a hosed up dessicated mash of of Vader and Sheev in appearance I'd be suprised if it's not significant in some respect I like the idea that there can be powerful force users dark or light, that are neither sith or Jedi and have their own traditions and dogmas. I hope he's that.
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He's still less memorable.
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hemale in pain posted:He's talked about for like 5 minutes right? Snokes music is supposed to be opera theme during that scene too This is what Andy Serkis (who plays Snoke) thinks too: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/02/star-wars-force-awakens-maz-kanata-supreme-leader-snoke-exclusive quote:Although there was much speculation about who Snoke might turn out to be (one popular theory was that he’d turn out to be a Sith Lord known from the prequels as Darth Plagueis) he actually turns out to be … just Snoke.
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Serf posted:*pushes glasses up on nose* Well that proves I didn't look it up.
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I doubt they would have given Serkis the full story even if they have plans for Snoke to be Plagueis or a Vader clone later on. Its not like it would change his performance any in Force Awakens, at least not in any way I can think of. I'm sure they would have anticipated this kind of questioning and why set up Serkis to have to lie to the press for years? Its plausible deniability.
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At least Amidala says his name onscreen at some point in the movie. I don't think guys like Sio Bibble or Lobot ever get named onscreen. Heck, I don't think I knew that Captain Panaka's replacement in AotC was named Typho until I saw his action figure.
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Basebf555 posted:I doubt they would have given Serkis the full story even if they have plans for Snoke to be Plagueis or a Vader clone later on. Its not like it would change his performance any in Force Awakens, at least not in any way I can think of. "JJ what's my motivation in this scene? No spoilers!"
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Basebf555 posted:I doubt they would have given Serkis the full story even if they have plans for Snoke to be Plagueis or a Vader clone later on. Its not like it would change his performance any in Force Awakens, at least not in any way I can think of. Keep the dream alive!
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There's no way Snoke is a completely new character. As others have noted, the First Order's whole M.O. is basically to revive the Empire. Snoke's hologram could be a red herring; another "mask." If Snoke's appearance in TFA is genuine, I think he could end up being the corpse of Vader possessed by the ghost of Palpatine. Palpatine has to live on somehow, whether Rey is his clone or whether he himself returns somehow. The Star Wars saga is the story of the Skywalker family, but it's also the story of C-3P0 & R2-D2, Obi-Wan Kenobi & the Jedi, and Emperor Palpatine & the Dark Side. In my opinion it seems ignorant to assume that Palpatine is gone forever. I could easily see his demise in ROTJ being interpreted as the Dark Side version of the "force ghost" trick, giving him the ability to possess living beings, or something like that. If Jedi are guardian angels, and Sith are malicious demons, then this makes sense, right? If Rey is related to Palpatine somehow, it would change the dynamic between her and Kylo in an interesting way- inversely mirroring the relationship between Vader and the Emperor. However, she could just as easily be a clone of Obi-Wan; the facility on Kamino could very well have obtained a sample of Kenobi's DNA after his fight with Jango Fett.
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Is anyone mad if it is plaugeis? It'd at least be a cool part of the prequels/Eu to make use of.
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I suppose I'm guilty of not giving Serkis full credit for being a legit actor, which at this point is probably just ignorant.
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hemale in pain posted:He's talked about for like 5 minutes right? Snokes music is supposed to be opera theme during that scene too That's where I see it going as well, although rumors abound that things are going to take a weird twist based on comments that the next couple of films will be like no star wars seen before. It's time travel related bollocks some of the theories i've seen I'll be proper sad.
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Vader's body was burned. Kylo has his ashes. Next theory.
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Plagueis was murdered in his sleep by Sheev, which would make it difficult to him some fourty-plus years later
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:I'm really enjoying the reappraisal of Lucas's work that has happened in the past few weeks, but I wish it arose out of something more tangible and lasting than nerdpinions. The reappraisal has nothing to do with nerdpinions. The nerd consensus on George Lucas is still overwhelmingly negative. The reappraisal is coming from actual, serious film critics going back and watching what have been come to be known as some of the worst movies ever made, and finding out that they're actually pretty good. Ironically, the ridiculously exaggerated reputation they've gotten might be having the effect of making them seem even better than they actually are, to a person watching them fresh today.
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Not if he has figured out the whole life death thing as explicitly told to us by sheev.
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Plagueis was murdered in his sleep by Sheev, which would make it difficult to him some fourty-plus years later Do Sith double-tap? Maybe Plagueis just stayed very still.
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I mean, that musical hint seals the deal.
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Cnut the Great posted:The reappraisal has nothing to do with nerdpinions. The nerd consensus on George Lucas is still overwhelmingly negative. The reappraisal is coming from actual, serious film critics going back and watching what have been come to be known as some of the worst movies ever made, and finding out that they're actually pretty good. Ironically, the ridiculously exaggerated reputation they've gotten might be having the effect of making them seem even better than they actually are, to a person watching them fresh today. Yeah, I guess you're right for the most part. But there is an undercurrent of "JJ didn't do it right, bring back the true visionary" from guys on the internet who are merely dissatisfied with The Force Awakens.
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I'm just putting it out there that Snoke might just be some dude named Snoke and not a clone of Vader/Obi-Wan/Luke's non-canon childhood dog Fydo or [insert EU Sith Lord]
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It would probably be explained that the entire saga of Episodes 1-VI was planned in advance by Plagueis, and the first step of the plan was to allow Sheev to believe he had murdered him. With the training and ideas that were planted in his head by Plagueis, Sheev would then go on to enact Plagueis' plans without even realizing they weren't his own. Sounds pretty Star Wars to me.
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4 RING SHRIMP posted:wait people like greg lucas again? jesus christ you nerds Greg Lucas is a certifiable artistic genius who will go down in cinematic history for such well-loved classics as JNE 8675309, Canadian Wall-Doodles, and Gasball Disputes.
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Snoke is the greatest Star Wars villain of all time. Lucas.
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If Snoke was legit supermechagodzilla I would be into it
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Snoke refers to training so if he ain't a Sith I don't know what the gently caress.
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He is the district manager of Hot Topic and has to finish Kylo's new employee training. Explain about discounts, etc.
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No one except Jedi and sith have ever undergone any kind of training, that's true.
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euphronius posted:Snoke refers to training so if he ain't a Sith I don't know what the gently caress. He may be the new Dooku, trying to train an ally against his master, the real threat. That is probably too complicated for TFA's pretty reductive approach to Star Wars.
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euphronius posted:Snoke refers to training so if he ain't a Sith I don't know what the gently caress. Sith ≠ darkside user
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feedmyleg posted:Sith ≠ darkside user Which doesn't really matter because until the PT there were no Sith in Star Wars and thus Darth Vader and Palpatine were also "just" darkside users for all we knew. It's another unnecessary distinction the PT brought to SW (and its not surprising that it is another PT element ignored by TFA).
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feedmyleg posted:Sith ≠ darkside user I know I'm saying if he's not a sith it will have to be something really new
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LinkesAuge posted:Which doesn't really matter because until the PT there were no Sith in Star Wars and thus Darth Vader and Palpatine were also "just" darkside users for all we knew. It's another unnecessary distinction the PT brought to SW (and its not surprising that it is another PT element ignored by TFA). The novelization for the original Star Wars uses the term "Sith", in addition to other Expanded Universe works that came out well before Episode I.
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The anh script also uses sith.
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jivjov posted:The novelization for the original Star Wars uses the term "Sith", in addition to other Expanded Universe works that came out well before Episode I. 
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Plus just because they don't run around going "the Sith shall rise again! I am a Sith lord!" like they do in the prequels, it doesn't mean they aren't Sith. They explicitly say "Sith" in TFA, they're not dropping it.
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