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repiv
Aug 13, 2009

Tots posted:

Encrypt everything out of principal IMO. Really tho, if you want to do it do it. Decide afterwards if it's not worth it then revert.

Worth noting that you usually can't revert Android encryption without wiping your phone though.

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CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Whizbang posted:

You don't need to encrypt your phone unless you're using it for drug dealing or your 128 gbs of child porn. Encryption is for protecting data at rest, which most phones never are.

Exactly, that's why I asked that, the majority of people don't really understand encryption and don't realize what encrypting their phone will actually do or have an effect on. ENCRYPT EVERYTHING without regards to the effects or even the value of it is a bad suggestion.

Tots
Sep 3, 2007

:frogout:

Whizbang posted:

You don't need to encrypt your phone unless you're using it for drug dealing or your 128 gbs of child porn. Encryption is for protecting data at rest, which most phones never are.

There is data at rest on your phone 100% of the time and IMO the standard model for data storage and transportation should be moving to (and is) encrypting by default. It's a good idea and only becomes a bad idea when there are significant performance hits. I would say the idea of "you only need privacy if you have something to hide" is a bad suggestion.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Whizbang posted:

You don't need to encrypt your phone unless you're using it for drug dealing or your 128 gbs of child porn. Encryption is for protecting data at rest, which most phones never are.

I've only got 64 GB should i still encrypt?

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Tots posted:

I would say the idea of "you only need privacy if you have something to hide" is a bad suggestion.

Literally no one is saying that

Tots
Sep 3, 2007

:frogout:

CLAM DOWN posted:

Literally no one is saying that

Well not verbatim, but you did mention that a normal user doesn't need to encrypt and that encrypting phones is generally only if you perform some illegal activity like child porn. The sentiment is very similar if not exactly the same.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I don't have my phone encrypted.

That said, encryption is a good idea simply because we know app makers are not good stewards with the data we provide them and often store that data in very bad ways that can be reverse engineered.

It's moot anyways since current Google guidance requires encryption to be always on if the storage is fast enough.

Daily Forecast
Dec 25, 2008

by R. Guyovich
Nobody gives a poo poo about you browsing something awful and watching cartoons on your phones, you nerds

You should consider everything you do online as public, because online privacy never existed.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


But people do give a poo poo about things like bank and credit card logins.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Tots posted:

Well not verbatim, but you did mention that a normal user doesn't need to encrypt and that encrypting phones is generally only if you perform some illegal activity like child porn. The sentiment is very similar if not exactly the same.

CLAM DOWN posted:

There will be tradeoffs, encryption by its very nature takes more processing power and I/Os. What is your goal with encrypting your device? Do you know what exact benefits you're going to gain from it?

CLAM DOWN posted:

Exactly, that's why I asked that, the majority of people don't really understand encryption and don't realize what encrypting their phone will actually do or have an effect on. ENCRYPT EVERYTHING without regards to the effects or even the value of it is a bad suggestion.

Are you on PCP or something because I did not say that.

mfny
Aug 17, 2008
Picked up a Motorola Moto E Second Gen, and its my first droid based phone.

All is well so far except for one thing and that is apparently I am not able to store Apps/Games on SD card. I have tried a few "App 2 SD" type Apps, none of which seem to be able to move what I want moved(mainly games) so it seems like id need to do something like root or SDK hackery to get what I want from my searching.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

mfny posted:

Picked up a Motorola Moto E Second Gen, and its my first droid based phone.

All is well so far except for one thing and that is apparently I am not able to store Apps/Games on SD card. I have tried a few "App 2 SD" type Apps, none of which seem to be able to move what I want moved(mainly games) so it seems like id need to do something like root or SDK hackery to get what I want from my searching.

Simplest solution would be to wait until you get the Marshmallow update, which will let you merge your internal storage and SD card into one giant blob.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/12/09/motorola-says-the-moto-e-2015-is-getting-marshmallow-after-all-just-not-in-the-usa/

...unless you're in the US, then gently caress you apparently.

mfny
Aug 17, 2008

repiv posted:

Simplest solution would be to wait until you get the Marshmallow update, which will let you merge your internal storage and SD card into one giant blob.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/12/09/motorola-says-the-moto-e-2015-is-getting-marshmallow-after-all-just-not-in-the-usa/

...unless you're in the US, then gently caress you apparently.

I am in Europe so... yay for me. Seems stupid that its taken them this long to add such a feature though.

Aside from this storage annoyance phone is pretty nice so far, I normally go windows phone but this time i decided on a change.

Tots
Sep 3, 2007

:frogout:

CLAM DOWN posted:

Are you on PCP or something because I did not say that.

Whoops, different poster. My bad.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
If I want to root a Moto X 2014 on AT&T so I can change the device name, but I don't want to wipe my phone, am I rear end out?

nimper
Jun 19, 2003

livin' in a hopium den

Toshimo posted:

If I want to root a Moto X 2014 on AT&T so I can change the device name, but I don't want to wipe my phone, am I rear end out?

1) Why?
2) Probably.
3) Why?

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

nimper posted:

1) Why?
2) Probably.
3) Why?

I'd like my phone to show up as something other than "android-3134154651" on routers and poo poo.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

Toshimo posted:

I'd like my phone to show up as something other than "android-3134154651" on routers and poo poo.

Why? Not passing judgment, so don't meltdown or anything, but why would you ever care what your phone identifies as to a router?

Desk Lamp
Jun 30, 2014

Toshimo posted:

If I want to root a Moto X 2014 on AT&T so I can change the device name, but I don't want to wipe my phone, am I rear end out?

I don't have my Maxx on hand to check, but I know on the Note 4 at least you can change the device name simply by tapping on it in "About phone" or similar.

Syrinxx
Mar 28, 2002

Death is whimsical today

If it's the phone's Bluetooth name you are concerned with, you can rename it under Settings > Bluetooth > (... menu) > Rename this Device

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

RVProfootballer posted:

Why? Not passing judgment, so don't meltdown or anything, but why would you ever care what your phone identifies as to a router?

It makes it easier to distinguish my phone from the other stuff at work on the same WiFi router for instance. It isn't make or break, so I'm not wiping my phone for it. It's just a convenience thing.

Desk Lamp posted:

I don't have my Maxx on hand to check, but I know on the Note 4 at least you can change the device name simply by tapping on it in "About phone" or similar.

That option doesn't show up in Developer Options until you root, or so it has been explained to me.

Syrinxx posted:

If it's the phone's Bluetooth name you are concerned with, you can rename it under Settings > Bluetooth > (... menu) > Rename this Device

Nah, I'm trying to change my network name. I've already changed my Bluetooth name.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


Toshimo posted:

I'd like my phone to show up as something other than "android-3134154651" on routers and poo poo.

If you have that kind of access to the office router, see if you can set a custom name on the router's side. It SHOULD be just a custom device tag for humans so it shouldn't disrupt anything that depends on hostnames.

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

Toshimo posted:

That option doesn't show up in Developer Options until you root, or so it has been explained to me.

You won't gain new developer options just by rooting. The factory rom will not change the menu if it detects it has been rooted.

That said, I think this feature (changing your phone's hostname) is definitely worth installing a custom rom.

strap on revenge
Apr 8, 2011

that's my thing that i say
i got a samsung tab s 10.5 recently and i discovered over my christmas vacation that some micro usb cables just do not fit in it. i have never had this with any of my other devices, anyone know what the deal is

e: the ones that i've found haven't fitted are generic. the samsung and htc cables i've tried worked

strap on revenge fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jan 9, 2016

The Ass Stooge
Nov 9, 2012

a hunger uncurbed
by nature's calling

strap on revenge posted:

i got a samsung tab s 10.5 recently and i discovered over my christmas vacation that some micro usb cables just do not fit in it. i have never had this with any of my other devices, anyone know what the deal is

e: the ones that i've found haven't fitted are generic. the samsung and htc cables i've tried worked

those are vga cables

strap on revenge
Apr 8, 2011

that's my thing that i say

The rear end Stooge posted:

those are vga cables

no

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

I LOVE Musk and his pro-first-amendment ways. X is the future.
There aren't nano-sim, waterproof, USB-type C, sub $200 phones out yet, right?

I'm thinking I don't really want to take my $500 6P out on runs with me. drat expensive phone worries.

Ojjeorago
Sep 21, 2008

I had a dream, too. It wasn't pleasant, though ... I dreamt I was a moron...
Gary’s Answer

ilkhan posted:

There aren't nano-sim, waterproof, USB-type C, sub $200 phones out yet, right?

I'm thinking I don't really want to take my $500 6P out on runs with me. drat expensive phone worries.

That's what Android Wear is for.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Whizbang posted:

That's what Android Wear is for.

You'd still have to bring your phone along unless I'm missing something.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

Whizbang posted:

That's what Android Wear is for.

So you can take your $300 watch with your $500 phone?

Syrinxx
Mar 28, 2002

Death is whimsical today

ilkhan posted:

There aren't nano-sim, waterproof, USB-type C, sub $200 phones out yet, right?

I'm thinking I don't really want to take my $500 6P out on runs with me. drat expensive phone worries.
There are several GPS fitness trackers, Microsoft Band 2 being one of them. You can leave your phone at home, but will have no tunes.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

ilkhan posted:

There aren't nano-sim, waterproof, USB-type C, sub $200 phones out yet, right?

I'm thinking I don't really want to take my $500 6P out on runs with me. drat expensive phone worries.

I just bought a Moto E for $50 and a nano sim adapter for like $5. I'm sure you already have a micro USB cable.

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Three Olives posted:

I just bought a Moto E for $50 and a nano sim adapter for like $5. I'm sure you already have a micro USB cable.

But I want arbitrary hardware features to be commodities nooooooowwwwwwwww.......

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009
Just dropped my good old 1st gen Moto X on the pavement, and now the screen is fubar: black spots everywhere, can't read a drat thing anymore on the screen :( So I was looking for a replacement, and since I'm cheap, in Europe, and a "pure" android fanboy, Motorola remains my goto brand (Sony and Nexus prices are ridiculous, might aswell buy an iPhone for those prices).

Now I have a hard time deciding between several models:

3rd gen Moto G:
+ cheap and durable (ipx7)
- slow processor and a - reportedely - weak camera

2nd gen Moto X
+ good processor, amoled screen and okay camera
- previous gen, fragile, and low battery life

Moto X Play:
+ good chipset, okay camera
- expensive, design is meh, and the ip rating is "only" ip57

Plus, I learned that Lenovo is launching a Moto G Turbo that is even more durable (ip67), has a Snapdragon 615, and fast charging, but is only sold in India and Mexico with no word on international availability.

Soooooo am I reading too much into the ip rating and the chipset? Would a Moto G be an upgrade to my old Moto X, or should I splurge on the Play, or import a weird phone from India? Or maybe look at another brand?

Thanks in advance android thread!

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Chikimiki posted:

Just dropped my good old 1st gen Moto X on the pavement, and now the screen is fubar: black spots everywhere, can't read a drat thing anymore on the screen :( So I was looking for a replacement, and since I'm cheap, in Europe, and a "pure" android fanboy, Motorola remains my goto brand (Sony and Nexus prices are ridiculous, might aswell buy an iPhone for those prices).

Now I have a hard time deciding between several models:

3rd gen Moto G:
+ cheap and durable (ipx7)
- slow processor and a - reportedely - weak camera

2nd gen Moto X
+ good processor, amoled screen and okay camera
- previous gen, fragile, and low battery life

Moto X Play:
+ good chipset, okay camera
- expensive, design is meh, and the ip rating is "only" ip57

Plus, I learned that Lenovo is launching a Moto G Turbo that is even more durable (ip67), has a Snapdragon 615, and fast charging, but is only sold in India and Mexico with no word on international availability.

Soooooo am I reading too much into the ip rating and the chipset? Would a Moto G be an upgrade to my old Moto X, or should I splurge on the Play, or import a weird phone from India? Or maybe look at another brand?

Thanks in advance android thread!

The difference between those IP ratings (57 v 67) is the devices' resistance to dust infiltration. With screens typically being sealed, that means the dust is not going to affect usability of the phone - the "5" in 57 means it lets dust in but not enough to impair any usage, and the "6" in "67" means it's dust-proof. The "7" means it can be dumped into 3 ft of water for 30 mins and not sufffer function loss. "Durability" (impact resilience) isn't measured in IP rating anymore, and hasn't been for like a decade.

calandryll
Apr 25, 2003

Ask me where I do my best drinking!



Pillbug
My Moto X (2015) was updated to Marshmallow a week or so ago. Ever since then notifications for Gmail or other things come in at random times, like my phone not telling me I have mail but when I look at my computer I got an email hours ago. Then other times it works like it should, browser on my desktop tells me I have mail at the same time my phone does. I'm guessing this has something to do with Doze, correct?

withoutclass
Nov 6, 2007

Resist the siren call of rhinocerosness

College Slice

LastInLine posted:

You'd still have to bring your phone along unless I'm missing something.

I think the Moto 360 Sport is the only one that has both GPS and offline music storage.

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012

calandryll posted:

My Moto X (2015) was updated to Marshmallow a week or so ago. Ever since then notifications for Gmail or other things come in at random times, like my phone not telling me I have mail but when I look at my computer I got an email hours ago. Then other times it works like it should, browser on my desktop tells me I have mail at the same time my phone does. I'm guessing this has something to do with Doze, correct?

Yep. Go to Settings -> Apps -> Settings -> Battery optimization, and set whatever apps you don't want to doze as "don't optimize."

calandryll
Apr 25, 2003

Ask me where I do my best drinking!



Pillbug

RVProfootballer posted:

Yep. Go to Settings -> Apps -> Settings -> Battery optimization, and set whatever apps you don't want to doze as "don't optimize."

That's what I thought and did that to GMail last night. Seems to work a bit better.

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jyrka
Jan 21, 2005


Potato Count: 2 small potatoes
Anyone know where the phone app search gets its contacts from? For whatever reason when I do a search it displays long deleted contacts and doubles that I do not have under the contact tab. I have the contacts app to 'display all' and everything is working correctly there.

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