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Everyone, please be respectful of the needs and anxieties of men who spread their legs on public transit. They're very skittish when their safe spaces are violated.
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alnilam posted:Terms/memes that mock the dominant/privileged group in society (e.g. men, white people) are bad and divisive. They're not nearly as bad as terms that mock marginalized groups, but they're still bad. Ooh you turned the tables on the privileged group, they are the ones being mocked for once, how neat. Truly societal harmony is now just around the corner, and not pushed farther away by divisive "no u" language. It's important to not deny marginalized groups of emotional catharsis, certainly not for some holier-than-thou "level playing field" garbage.
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Jan 10, 2016 00:20
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It's kind of like when adults tell you to ignore the bullies at school and the bullies are so impressed with your stiff upper lip they never bullied you again.
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Jan 10, 2016 00:25
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There's a difference between telling the bully to gently caress right off, and saying "two can play at that game" and making fun of the bully .
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Jan 10, 2016 00:26
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Agree. One of them they won't listen to, the other one will possibly shame them into stopping.
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Jan 10, 2016 00:27
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And where the hell is the principal when all this poo poo is going down
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Jan 10, 2016 00:29
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Xanderkish posted:And where the hell is the principal when all this poo poo is going down Looking the other way while the bully's parents give them money and favours.
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Xanderkish posted:And where the hell is the principal when all this poo poo is going down Writing a post for his white men's rights blog  .
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alnilam posted:Terms/memes that mock the dominant/privileged group in society (e.g. men, white people) are bad and divisive. They're not nearly as bad as terms that mock marginalized groups, but they're still bad. Ooh you turned the tables on the privileged group, they are the ones being mocked for once, how neat. Truly societal harmony is now just around the corner, and not pushed farther away by divisive "no u" language. This really reads like you're a straight white man who's saying this
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Jan 10, 2016 00:31
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I didn't realize that by having my legs spread on the subway I was bullying marginalized groups. Is my decision to move my legs back together when someone wants to sit in the seat next to mine also problematic?
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memy posted:I didn't realize that by having my legs spread on the subway I was bullying marginalized groups. Is my decision to move my legs back together when someone wants to sit in the seat next to mine also problematic? If you see that other people are standing and still take several seats, then it's a problem. Otherwise, you're fine. I thought this was obvious. I personally have never been offended by terms like "mansplaining," "manspreading," etc. I've always assumed that, unless I'm performing the action in question, it's not directed at me. On the other hand, it has made me consider that my compulsive need to explain things might come off as condescending to some people, which has gotten me to try to stop.
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Jan 10, 2016 00:34
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"Manspreading" is one of those things that was a reasonable analysis of how men's position in society gives them small, unconscious advantages that got twisted and misinterpreted (wilfully or otherwise) to the point of parody. Like how when Dworkin said that hetero sex is rape she was really saying that the male/female power dynamic in society is pushed so far into the man's favour that it could be argued that there is an inherent advantage being exploited when a man asks a woman for sex, but ignorant people have twisted it into "lol dumb feminists thinking everything is akin to violent, tear-your-clothes-off rape  ".
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Jan 10, 2016 00:37
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alnilam posted:Terms/memes that mock the dominant/privileged group in society (e.g. men, white people) are bad and divisive. They're not nearly as bad as terms that mock marginalized groups, but they're still bad. Ooh you turned the tables on the privileged group, they are the ones being mocked for once, how neat. Truly societal harmony is now just around the corner, and not pushed farther away by divisive "no u" language. It's super important that marginalized groups only seek progress at the pace the privileged group feels comfortable and avoids anything that might make the privileged group feel bad, lest the privileged group ever be made to feel that society isn't designed for their comfort. Or maybe rather than immediately getting defensive and denying there's a problem so they don't feel complicit in bad things people in priviliged groups could actually take criticism and not be complicit in bad things.
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memy posted:I didn't realize that by having my legs spread on the subway I was bullying marginalized groups. Is my decision to move my legs back together when someone wants to sit in the seat next to mine also problematic? Like Lady Naga said, manspreading is an example of the often unconscious social privileges of men versus women. Men are often encouraged to take up as much space as possible--it's viewed as a sign of dominance--whereas women do not. Try noting sometimes how many men spread their legs when they sit versus how many women keep their legs tucked underneath their chairs. You can also see this in men versus women's fashion. Men's suits generally have a wide range of motion, and their shoes are basically the same as any others in terms of functionality. Women's dresses often restrict movement much more, and their shoes, usually high heels and stilettos, are so laughably impractical and uncomfortable that it's actually considered an achievement for people to run in them. Men's formal wear don't exactly emphasize practicality, but they allow for it. Women's formal wear basically constricts women into fleshy lamps.
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Jan 10, 2016 00:46
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sometimes my balls get stuck to my leg, would be my excuse
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Nice interpretation of what i'm saying, everyone. There is plenty of good criticism that white people / straight people / men need to hear and should feel bad about. "Isn't it dumb how men are always taking up too much room on the subway" or "haha white people are so bad at dancing" however are divisive for no good reason  I guess I'm just a practical thinker and I see things in terms of how can we fix our horrible society as quickly as possible, because the longer it takes the longer marginalized groups are suffering. And even if privileged groups might deserve it, I don't see petty jabs as helping at all. If anything, they just feed the delusions of e.g. assholes who want to cast feminists as a bunch of man-haters so they can continue to ignore/belittle feminism. e: also I did not realize during this discussion that manspreading is said to be a subtle act of dominance?? It's about the balls. You're an rear end in a top hat if you take up too much room on the bus, and I'd believe that refusal to scrunch up and make room, when people need to sit down, comes from a place of privilege. But when given ample space, sitting with legs slightly spread is because of balls. alnilam fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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alnilam posted:Nice interpretation of what i'm saying, everyone. There is plenty of good criticism that white people / straight people / men need to hear and should feel bad about. "Isn't it dumb how men are always taking up too much room on the subway" or "haha white people are so bad at dancing" however are divisive for no good reason Lady Naga posted:It's important to not deny marginalized groups of emotional catharsis, certainly not for some holier-than-thou "level playing field" garbage.
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I'm not making any more posts on the matter. Sorry I fed the derail. The point is we're generally on the same side and disagree slightly about the methods. Whatever.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:sometimes my balls get stuck to my leg, would be my excuse Sometimes a fat dude's hairy knee gets rubs against my thigh for an entire bus trip.
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toonspreading 1  2  3  4  5  pee pee doo doo 6  KER-BLACK! 7  8 
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UAR UAR
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Jan 10, 2016 01:33
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I know what the message is, but this is some surrealist poo poo right here: is that supposed to be a shanty house made out of the mushroom ration box? It looks like some sort of abstract sculpture in the middle of a desert.
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Jan 10, 2016 01:40
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I'm pretty sure they just realized that it would be hard to draw a box big enough for that label and also be shallow enough to show that it is empty
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Jan 10, 2016 02:08
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albany academy posted:I'm pretty sure they just realized that it would be hard to draw a box big enough for that label and also be shallow enough to show that it is empty It's a problem that has been solved by retail shops a long while ago, with boxes that open diagonally so that they turn into a display box.
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Jan 10, 2016 02:22
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Why would rations be in a display box
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1 2  3   President Zuma 4  5  6  7  8 
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albany academy posted:Why would rations be in a display box It really takes me out of a 'toon when they take liberties with reality like that.
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Jan 10, 2016 02:29
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Abyssal Squid posted:When was the last time we had an Everett True dump? It feels like it's been ages. Speaking of which, here's one posted just recently in the new 2016 Comic Strip Megathread:  100 years later, and still relevant. Also, I really love the guy's shiny bling.
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Jan 10, 2016 02:35
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As lovely as most of Jerm/South African Lester's views are, it's still cool to have cartoons from South Africa posted. It's a cool look into non-American issues and politicians, so please keep posting them.
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Jan 10, 2016 02:51
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chairface posted:Not get attacked by police while protesting. Would like to point out that bringing out a gun in front of police is going to increase the chances of you sustaining bodily harm.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Would like to point out that bringing out a gun in front of police is going to increase the chances of you sustaining bodily harm. Unless you're a white "militiaman," that's the joke I think
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FishBulb posted:That dude is alllllllllllll pants BTW it should perhaps be noted that Everett True's manner of dress was already considered hilariously outmoded at the time the comics were made. It's an extra bit of humor tossed in by the cartoonist that is pretty much lost now that everyone's outfits in an Everett True comic are extremely old-fashioned.
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Jan 10, 2016 03:31
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alnilam posted:Unless you're a white "militiaman," that's the joke I think Picked a bad time to ban dbd 
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pillsburysoldier posted:Picked a bad time to ban dbd I know. DBD gets banned, and then we get an IRL fuckbarn with militia wannabes speaking nonsense and stroking their guns. It's like some sort of hell we can't escape from.
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Grapplejack posted:2. I have to wonder if this is Henry's version of the old "what is the difference between a duck" absurdist joke. (the answer, for those of you unfamiliar, is "one of its legs are both the same." No, it doesn't make sense. It's not supposed to. Please don't derail the thread for five pages.) A Tree Happened.
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Flashback: 1992 Last time, we saw that, in the lead-up to the elections, very few Democrats were willing to take on George Bush. There were a handful of characters, many of whom we'll meet in future weeks, but many were interested early on in the young governor of Arkansas. George Fisher of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette did not seem particularly impressed.   I'm not sure the cartoonist understands how metaphors work. Okay, Bill Clinton is portrayed as a little boy who's used to tricycles inspecting a monster truck, clearly indicating he doesn't think Clinton is ready for the job. I guess he's just saying Clinton can't decide whether to "buy" a presidential campaign, but "kicking the tires" seems to imply that the presidency itself might be a scam or something. But in that case, shouldn't Clinton look suspicious, not mischievous? I'm probably overthinking it. The message isn't terrible- basically "does Clinton know what he's getting into?" It's not nearly as vicious as Clinton criticism would eventually become.
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Jurgan posted:I'm not sure the cartoonist understands how metaphors work. Okay, Bill Clinton is portrayed as a little boy who's used to tricycles inspecting a monster truck, clearly indicating he doesn't think Clinton is ready for the job. I guess he's just saying Clinton can't decide whether to "buy" a presidential campaign, but "kicking the tires" seems to imply that the presidency itself might be a scam or something. But in that case, shouldn't Clinton look suspicious, not mischievous? I'm probably overthinking it. The message isn't terrible- basically "does Clinton know what he's getting into?" It's not nearly as vicious as Clinton criticism would eventually become. "kicking the tires" is just something someone does when they're trying to decide whether or not to buy a car, there's no real implication of duplicity. Tires haven't been shoddy enough to deflate when kicked for probably a century, it's just a colloquialism.
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Jan 10, 2016 04:48
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Jurgan posted:Flashback: 1992 Searching around, it appears the cartoonist drew Clinton as a baby when he was running for governor, because he was only 32 at the time. When he got elected, the cartoonist upgraded him to a tricycle.
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Selachian posted:Searching around, it appears the cartoonist drew Clinton as a baby when he was running for governor, because he was only 32 at the time. When he got elected, the cartoonist upgraded him to a tricycle. Huh. Petty as it is, it's actually kinda clever.
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