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George Lucas made really good Star Wars movies. Disney is seemingly incapable of making a bad movie and TFA was really great. Overall, I've liked just about anything Star Wars that I've seen so far. Just starting the Clone Wars show to see what its all about and it too is actually pretty good.
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I thought Gorege Lucas was a terrible sellout shill before he made the prequels v ve: loving internet nerds can't understand saying someone is creatively bankrupt =/= saying they are a bad person. HoboMan fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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Jan 10, 2016 05:48
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Neurolimal posted:The rabid hatred of George Lucas as a human being is pretty absurd, but so is the crazy adverse reaction towards anything Disney in Camp CineD. The lesson here is that terribly annoying and awkward people exist on all sides. George Lucas used his wealth and connections to force the construction of low-income housing in his neighborhood, over the objections of his neighbors. With that act he did more good than I will ever do and trolled the poo poo out of a bunch of rich assholes.
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Jan 10, 2016 05:58
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Neurolimal posted:The rabid hatred of George Lucas as a human being is pretty absurd, but so is the crazy adverse reaction towards anything Disney in Camp CineD. The lesson here is that terribly annoying and awkward people exist on all sides. Except the second thing never happened.
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Jan 10, 2016 06:02
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HoboMan posted:Unironically comparing Gorge Lucas to Mozart? You must be skimming the thread. I brought up profit because that would be a reason to rein somebody in -- some films are made primarily in order to make a profit. The prequels did, so Lucas didn't need to be reined in for the sake of the box office. As for comparing Lucas to Mozart, Mozart was the first guy I could think of accused of artistic excess ("too many notes"). Thanks for half-reading I guess!
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Jan 10, 2016 06:04
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You're welcome
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Jan 10, 2016 06:09
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greatn posted:What annoys me a lot is that not only do the prequels have to be terrible, a lot of nerds have to take it ten steps further and say George Lucas is terrible and always was, every bad thing was his fault, and every good thing was either luck or some other person saving his rear end. It's ridiculous. It's crazy how that attitude has spread like a virus across the internet. The second any piece of media betrays someone's expectations, they begin frantically seeking out any evidence they can find to construct a George Lucas narrative, removing credit from the individuals that "betrayed" them and shifting it entirely to anybody they can fit into the Marcia Lucas/Gary Curtz/etc roles.
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Jan 10, 2016 06:14
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In which some regular folks get interviewed after watching The Empire Strikes Back:
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Jan 10, 2016 06:29
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Way to spoil the ending, Detective Briscoe!
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Jan 10, 2016 06:31
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The hate that the Star Wars prequels get from Star Wars fans is far out of proportion to the actual problems with the films, which are pretty minor anyway. They were, however, misunderstood, and maybe it's worse to be misunderstood than hated.
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Jan 10, 2016 06:35
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Man, what is it with white people and broccoli? Y'all just aren't preparing it right 'cuz broccoli is amazing.  Scrree posted:The Red Letter Media reviews are great examples of this. Plinkett goes into great detail about how the relationship between Anakin and Obi'Wan is an example of terrible writing because if they're supposed to be close friends with a strong student/mentor bond, then it's completely missing from the text/dialogue/plot of the film! The idea that Anakin and Obi'Wan were not 'supposed' to have a great friendship, and the films totally support their mutual antagonism (that's why they end the series trying to kill each other), is not brought into consideration at all. It's part of the problem of depicting Anakin as a resentful, contrarian teenager in Episode II at all. Of course this angry creepy boy turns evil. Why wouldn't he? But it's not particularly moving or meaningful, not as much as if he were a genuinely noble and kindhearted boy (which he was, in Episode I, and then just wasn't in Episode II for some reason) who was led to darkness by events out of anyone's control.
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Jan 10, 2016 06:41
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Motto posted:It's crazy how that attitude has spread like a virus across the internet. The second any piece of media betrays someone's expectations, they begin frantically seeking out any evidence they can find to construct a George Lucas narrative, removing credit from the individuals that "betrayed" them and shifting it entirely to anybody they can fit into the Marcia Lucas/Gary Curtz/etc roles.
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Jan 10, 2016 06:42
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BrianWilly posted:Man, what is it with white people and broccoli? Y'all just aren't preparing it right 'cuz broccoli is amazing. You don't even need to prepare it, broccoli is delicious raw.
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Jan 10, 2016 06:57
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Serf posted:George Lucas made really good Star Wars movies. Disney is seemingly incapable of making a bad movie and TFA was really great. Overall, I've liked just about anything Star Wars that I've seen so far. This show is awesome in quite a few ways. I'm surprised at how effective it is at creating an air of danger, there are a lot of episodes where Anakin/etc. save the day on some planet but the result is that planet is now involved in the war and its people will probably be some combination of enlisted/enslaved/killed. It does a really effective job of having that morally grey outcome to stuff without the excessive dialogue of Attack of the Clones itself. I think in a way it being a kid's show forced Lucase/etc. to step up their game (he was heavily involved in it IIRC). Each episode is 22 minutes long so they needed to have stuff getting done. So you get the same basic idea as Episode II, political machinations come to a head so the Clone Wars and crazy Jedi adventures on strange worlds happen, but the craftsmanship is superior because they use a lot of visual storytelling and less clunky dialogue due to the constraints of the medium. Like in that show you learn Anakin and Padme are an item and sleeping together in like two seconds and it's more believable, the action and how the characters use the force is more consistent, Anakin is much better written as this driven guy trying to do what's right and slowly conflicting more and more with how Obi-Wan/the council rolls. There's even some decent scoring for some episodes that could hold up in one of the movies. I's really awesome and I wish Episode II itself was as effective.
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Jan 10, 2016 07:02
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BrianWilly posted:Man, what is it with white people and broccoli? Y'all just aren't preparing it right 'cuz broccoli is amazing. Brocolli does own. Obi-Wan in the OT wants to remember the genuine friendship part of his relationship with Anakin because its better than remembering, say, him lying on the volcano planet burning up as Obi-Wan cried out his despair. That's why Obi-Wan lied and separated Anakin into two people when he was telling the story to Luke. Part of the problem with making prequels to Star Wars was always going to be that viewers generally already knew the basic story. But Lucas found ways of adding wrinkles and subversions to what we thought we knew. When I first saw RotS I thought it was dumb that the films all build to the point where Anakin turns to the dark side but the moment when he actual does it still seems somewhat sudden and unexplained. Now I realize that's because his character arc isn't about a good person being tempted to evil, and evil eventually winning. He has these bad traits (naive immaturity, lust for power, arrogance, self-absorption) in him all along, and based on those traits he just reacts to the opportunities that present themselves. The Republic smoothly transitions into the Empire because its already corrupt and/or broken, and same for Anakin. That Obi-Wan later remembers him differently isn't bad writing, its nuance, and a big part of the story- all the Jedi know there's something off about him but they never really see it, not before its too late and not even after. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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Jan 10, 2016 07:05
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MonsieurChoc posted:Except the second thing never happened. Apparently not liking the MCU makes you a rabid Disney hater.
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Jan 10, 2016 07:16
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Neurolimal posted:The rabid hatred of George Lucas as a human being is pretty absurd, but so is the crazy adverse reaction towards anything Disney in Camp CineD. The lesson here is that terribly annoying and awkward people exist on all sides.
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Jan 10, 2016 07:18
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It is ok to think that george Lucas is a really cool dude and still think the prequels are garbage.
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Jan 10, 2016 07:53
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Disney made a perfectly decent movie. Force Awakens just has the worst editing in the series, by a mile - which is unquestionably the result of studio meddling. JJ Abrams didn't decide to slash all the alien characters.Chickenfrogman posted:It is ok to think that george Lucas is a really cool dude and still think the prequels are garbage. It is ok, but also incorrect.
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Jan 10, 2016 08:57
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Lord Krangdar posted:Brocolli does own. Yeah. Guys, having a complex relationship with people is not the same as lying about being friends or whatever: in real life friendships often have problems. Why is this so hard to understand?
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Jan 10, 2016 09:10
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Squinty posted:Then shouldn't they be waving their swords around at 1000 mph to deflect the constant barrage of random lasers coming from all directions? They wouldn't last 5 seconds in a game of squash. Their actions don't match the environment. they are jedi they know which shots to deflect and which do not need to be deflected. they don't need to struggle and block 500 shots if only 5 of them were ever going to hit.
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Jan 10, 2016 09:12
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MonsieurChoc posted:Yeah. Guys, having a complex relationship with people is not the same as lying about being friends or whatever: in real life friendships often have problems. Why is this so hard to understand? They're 'spergs, they have never experienced friendship firsthand. e: also incapable of understanding the complete lack of emotional bond you form with any of the prequel characters. HoboMan fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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Jan 10, 2016 09:12
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Nessus posted:No, only the hated fruit of the computer machine has the dark power to Ruin Immersion. not true a couple of the the practical effects in TFA really weirded me out for a few moments.
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Jan 10, 2016 09:21
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Mainly the little glowing red eye alien that stuck it's head out of the sand and the vulture were really really hokey. Like the movie just wanted to scream "SEE!? We're using puppets! Just like you want!" Most of the other practical aliens looked pretty good, and so did the cgi aliens.
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Jan 10, 2016 10:07
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It's the Bioware fan in me but I can't pretend not to be a little disappointed that so much of the Resistance was populated by humans. Anyway, if Obi-Wan's line about Anakin in ANH was heartfelt and genuine, then he's looking back at at their relationship and his own behavior with seriously rose-tinted lenses. Which, I agree, can be an interesting and nuanced character trait, but let's be clear right off the bat that Obi-Wan and Anakin weren't friends. They can call themselves that as much as they like, and we're told all about the great adventures they've had and all the rapport they shared, but what the films objectively show is Obi-Wan being constantly irritated at everything Anakin does, berating him in public in front of influential officials but also behind his back with the other Jedi. It's not a friendly sort of condescension either, since Anakin vents to Padme all his resentment and frustrations about the way Obi-Wan treats him. They don't share any interests, they don't associate with each other outside of work, and whatever affection they have for each other is strained and toxic and this is the way they act for an entire film. Theirs was a "complex relationship" in the same way that Oliver Twist and Mr. Bumble had a "complex relationship." Now, Episode III does course-adjust this a bit. We are actually shown Anakin and Obi-Wan working on a mission together, as equals, and their constant back-and-forth sniping comes across a little more like actual banter and affectionate ribbing. But as soon as the intro mission ends, we're right back to that icy aseptic dynamic where Obi-Wan seems predisposed to disapprove of anything his former student does, while Anakin can think of 10000 things he'd rather be doing than hanging out with this guy. And then they're completely separated until the film tries to convince us of how sad it is that they're gonna try to kill each other 'cuz of that brotherly bond or whatever. But it's not sad. If this is the way that the film is going to portray their relationship, as something so tenuous and threadbare, then it's not sad or epic or remarkable at all that two characters that seemed mutually-antagonistic for all but maybe ten minutes of their screentime together ended up fighting one another. I'd compare it to the Captain America: Civil War trailer that came out; it wants us to feel wistful that Steve and Tony are fighting, but why would we be? They aren't friends. One of the most prominent responses to that trailer has been meme-like mockery at Tony's claim that he was also Steve's friend because they've been depicted as vaguely-tolerant of each other at best, and audiences notice that poo poo.
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Jan 10, 2016 10:40
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I think you're confused; the best Star Wars film is Attack Of The Clones, which did not make the most money. Do you have a post on why you this is the case, I want something long, interesting and correct to read.
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Jan 10, 2016 10:45
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They were friends. Maybe not super best friends forever, but The Clone Wars makes it pretty clear they pretty drat friendly, it's too bad none of that really made it into the movies.
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Jan 10, 2016 10:48
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Just noticed KOTOR is available on android??? My wallet...
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Jan 10, 2016 11:03
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Disney made a perfectly decent movie. Force Awakens just has the worst editing in the series, by a mile - which is unquestionably the result of studio meddling. JJ Abrams didn't decide to slash all the alien characters. You can attribute the editing to a bloated script as much as anything else, I feel. They had to figure out a way to cram all that poo poo in there somehow.
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Jan 10, 2016 11:13
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corn in the fridge posted:Just noticed KOTOR is available on android??? My wallet... That sounds like an awful experience for everyone involved.
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Jan 10, 2016 11:16
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Steve2911 posted:That sounds like an awful experience for everyone involved. It's not like it's an action game. There's a lot of pausing and pressing buttons.
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Jan 10, 2016 13:42
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The MSJ posted:It's not like it's an action game. There's a lot of pausing and pressing buttons. I don't get how people play any games on touchscreens which aren't explicitly built for them; even FFV was god awful to control, I can't imagine how people slog through a 3D party based RPG on one
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Jan 10, 2016 13:58
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A Steampunk Gent posted:I don't get how people play any games on touchscreens which aren't explicitly built for them; even FFV was god awful to control, I can't imagine how people slog through a 3D party based RPG on one I have KOTOR on my HTC One and it's really easy to control. 
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Jan 10, 2016 14:15
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I've been playing it for a little bit now and its insanely fwiggen good???
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Jan 10, 2016 14:33
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NecroMonster posted:They were friends. Maybe not super best friends forever, but The Clone Wars makes it pretty clear they pretty drat friendly, it's too bad none of that really made it into the movies. ya that's the funny thing when people bring up the "Anakin and Obi-Wan weren't really supposed to be friends"-defense because then Lucas contradicts himself with The Clone Wars which DID show them like the OT suggested. In the CW you could see them as friends and equals. I mean it was not like there was never conflict between them but it was done in a way that seemed sensible between _friends_ and more importantly you really did get the feeling those two went through a lot of things together. It's too bad the movies weren't able to show us this side of their relationship, that's the biggest failure of the PT in my opinion because dramactically everything hinged on that one aspect.
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Jan 10, 2016 14:45
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I do think Obi-Wan and Anakin love each other, but Obi-Wan loves Anakin like a brother and, since he is charged with teaching, spouts Jedi dogma where he should express fraternal affection. Anakin loved Obi-Wan as a father, but their relationship was poisoned by the interaction of Anakin's insecurity and anger with Obi-Wan's crap teaching. This is all made explicit or heavily implied in Attack of the Clones, if you're specifically watching their relationship.
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Jan 10, 2016 16:31
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corn in the fridge posted:I've been playing it for a little bit now and its insanely fwiggen good??? Kotor 2 has the best dialogue of any game really.
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Jan 10, 2016 16:32
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I've been rewatching the movies with a cousin of mine who is in town for a week and he hasn't seen any of them. I decided that we watch them in sequential order. The first thing he immediately noticed when we transitioned from ROTS to ANH was how loving old Owen and Beru got, lmao. On rewatch though (it's been a while since I sat down and watched the prequels), TPM and ROTS are pretty fun to watch with someone who hasn't seen the movies. But gently caress Attack of the Clones is so bad. Worse than I remember.
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Jan 10, 2016 16:46
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Even in the OT their "friendship" is tainted by the fact that Anakin turned evil and murdered a bunch of Jedi and then Obi Wan lied to his son about it. It's true "from a certain point of view" but that entire conversation is about Obi Wan trying to endear himself to Luke by talking up his cool Jedi father and how they were besties. Obviously he's not going to say, "your father and I were friends but had a relationship fraught with insecurities and jealousy" because that would defeat the entire point of the conversation.
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corn in the fridge posted:Just noticed KOTOR is available on android??? My wallet... Download it through amazon underground and it's free, assuming they are the same version. Edit: "I just downloaded Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic for #actuallyfree from @amznunderground. http://amzn.to/1T68JdF " DARPA fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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