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Subvisual Haze posted:Trump has staked his position as the most anti-Muslim candidate with his proposed immigrant ban until we "figure it out". It's unfortunate, but this is probably a politically winning position to take. Disliking of Islam in general is not a specifically Republican phenomenon. Like take this CBS News Poll from December 9-10, 2015. Trump is turning the 2016 election into a referrendum on whether islam as middle america perceives it is in line with WASP values. It's a loving genius campaign strategy, I tell ya. loving genius.
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Venom Snake posted:Neocons have far better foreign policy than Trump, since yknow their policy isn't "Kill literally everyone". People like Graham might have a better rationale for their foreign policy but the end result of it would be an extraordinarily expensive and unsustainable level of military conflict. Someone made a map of all of the places McCain and Graham wanted to bomb and it was literally like 10 countries, I'd take Trump over that poo poo any day. Edit: Here it is. 
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LuciferMorningstar posted:I don't know about that. Slightly over a third of that sample see Islam as encouraging violence, while half figure it's no worse than any other religion on that front. Among the two groups other than Republican, clear majorities seem to recognize that Islam is not necessarily any more violent than another religion. It's a wedge issue though. If those 25% of democrats who see Islam as excessively violent feel strongly enough about the issue to switch support to Trump the impact could be huge in the general election.
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Islamophobia could be the Gay Marriage of 2016. Best of all timelines guys. 
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For Super Tuesday, Trump is up 20 in Alabama Alaska hasn't been polled in 7 months Trump is up 13 in Arkansas Colorado hasn't been polled since November but Carson was ahead Trump is up 20 in Georgia Trump is up 20 in MA Trump up 7 in MN (Last poll November) ND hasn't been polled Trump is up 32-28 on Cruz in OK Trump is up 34-26 on Cruz in TN Trump is up 31-27 on Cruz in TX Trump is up by 11 in VT Trump is up 9 in VA WY hasn't been polled in 7 months in case anyone is curious. The states that haven't been polled in months are all caucus states.
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The only good thing about a Trump presidency is that Jon Stewart would come back for one last ride
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What did she reply?? Nessus posted:I am sure there will be some but Trump is not actually magical - he's just great at working the media, and between that and his willingness to be deniably racist he has maintained a commanding lead in a crowded field but has not broken 40% reliably. He has drawn crowds a fraction of the size of Bernie Sanders'. I have the feeling he will have problems with appealing to voters who aren't some combination of "white hot balls of shrieking right wing rage," "white men," and "wealthy" Trump supporters aren't wealthy at all, but I understand it makes for better rhetoric if they're all the Bad Things at once. Next time try to work in 'straight' somewhere. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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Phlegmish posted:What did she reply?? "gently caress off"
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My Imaginary GF posted:Trump is turning the 2016 election into a referrendum on whether islam as middle america perceives it is in line with WASP values. As a WASP I say Trump is an rear end in a top hat. Allahu Ackbar
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My Imaginary GF posted:Trump is turning the 2016 election into a referrendum on whether islam as middle america perceives it is in line with WASP values. Obligatory if myIG thinks its mark its actually idiotic. But middle America is a third of a the country and only if you're counting land mass. Counting on latent left racism is a dodgy bet. There's enough Trumpisms from his life we've already discussed to give the idea that any minority would only be better off than Muslims under his administration because they're not being put in literal camps. Sure there are always people that vote against their interests but Trump just solidifies GOP as the racist and sexist party. White people still can't win you an election.
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TheTatteredKing posted:Obligatory if myIG thinks its mark its actually idiotic. It's a mistake to assume that a Big Tent party like the Democratic Party is exclusively "Left." Registered Democrats had always outnumbered Republicans in Oklahoma, all the way up until this last year. Yet Republican legislatures and governors have always dominated the state since the death of Socialism. Bush made himself competitive in 2000 by using homophobia as a wedge to disaffect Democratic voters, or even get a few of them voting for him. So let's say Trump shifts his rhetoric in the General away from anti-immigration to anti-Islam. He's already walked back his immigration rhetoric by claiming that he wants workers coming into the country legally. A "lot" of them. That's the last thing that his base wants to hear, but they're willing to ignore that in favor of his overall body of rhetoric. If he can turn his campaign into a Christian or Western party against Muslims he could generate a lot of crossover even from non-whites. Never underestimate how reactionary and fearful the American electorate can be. Especially in the wake of sectarian violence.
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I'm curious, at what point did each of you decide that Trump's candidacy was serious? (or haven't yet)?
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Jeb! did not win the powerball: quote:Guy in crowd at pro-life rally gave @JebBush a Powerball ticket: the governor said "it's gonna be huge"
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Jeb! did not win the powerball Human sad trombone seems really appropriate.
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Three African-American pastors from Richmond are suing the Virginia GOP for its plans to make voters sign an oath on Super Tuesday pledging they are Republicans. Trump is apparently not involved but says he supports it. We have an open primary so obviously the oath keeps independents and Democrats from crossing over to vote Trump.
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How does the oath do poo poo I'm a Republican for a day, problem solved
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:How does the oath do poo poo It scares off people who aren't informed and committed to the cross over vote.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I'm curious, at what point did each of you decide that Trump's candidacy was serious? (or haven't yet)? Sometime in October, I think. It wasn’t one moment. It was more of a dawning realisation.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:How does the oath do poo poo Remember all the people who got turned away from the Trump rally in Burlington because they refuse to say they supported him?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:How does the oath do poo poo a lot of people are kept uneducated about the primary system here, a bunch of people will think they can't vote without taking that pledge
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's a mistake to assume that a Big Tent party like the Democratic Party is exclusively "Left." Registered Democrats had always outnumbered Republicans in Oklahoma, all the way up until this last year. Yet Republican legislatures and governors have always dominated the state since the death of Socialism. Okay but as I said in that post I think that isn't going to work. Trump has already said enough in his life and campaign that I think Hilary would have enough material to sell that second place is just the first loser under the Don, and throwing yourself under the bus to gently caress the islams isn't going to be worth it. How many people are going to vote for a guy who thinks wages are too high when they're in effective poverty? I know racist voting against self interest is a thing but that's supported by the right wing media empire. I think it's a hard sell to people not already in the herd. Hil-dog would just need to drift more to the left and really hammer economic improvement for the poor and disaffected, those people are Trump's bread and butter. I think self preservation will win out over spite. If she bothers to work that angle. But she's already being pushed that way by Bernie and I think it's such an obvious move.
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TheTatteredKing posted:Hil-dog would just need to drift more to the left and oh dear
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I'm a Republican for a day, problem solved
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Evil Fluffy posted:Hopefully he means Doom E1S1 because it's Master of Puppets and would be so fitting a theme song for Trump at this point. It's actually even more fitting than you think! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRV1Zgjmiks
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Why even post this chart? "With the exception of New Hampshire," meaning half of the infographic. ALL EARLY states = the first 2, ignoring all the others.
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Not super-relevant to anything, but about a thousand pages agoJoementum posted:Nixon Agonistes (Gary Wills) I found an old copy and it is a superb, riveting book. (Old NYT review) I think it's out of print, but I found mine from an Amazon seller and your local library may have a copy. It's truly amazing, at least for people who like stuff like this forum. The discussion about taxation a page or two back made me think of a passage during the section of the book covering the 1968 Republican convention in Miami. The whole thing is great, particularly a page or two about George Romney, but in another part Wills talks about how The Market is such a fundamental part of the American consciousness that political fairness really only swings between boosting opportunities for people to have fairness to enter the market (childcare subsidies, public schools, college loans), versus fairness of access to opportunities to advance (employment programs, tax relief, business subsidies). He makes the point that even under FDR accusations of "socialism" were, in real terms, pretty wide of the mark, in that the fundamental nature of a competitive market economy has always been taken for granted by the political establishment (obviously not by the old-school "real" Left in the early part of the century, but they were never really the political establishment). Great book. Thanks Joementum.
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LOL. I would actually vote for Bernie, would be amazing if he took Iowa and NH. But gently caress Ted Cruz, ruining the dream of America becoming Great Again.
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sharkbomb posted:Why even post this chart? "With the exception of New Hampshire," meaning half of the infographic. ALL EARLY states = the first 2, ignoring all the others. I guess they're trying to say the race is evenish on both sides if for some reason you still think the democratic primary isn't already decided
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:I guess they're trying to say the race is evenish on both sides if for some reason you still think the democratic primary isn't already decided
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etalian posted:lol That's a great click bait title. It also has Clinton winning 14% republicans and winning the head to head.
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jackofarcades posted:That's a great click bait title. It also has Clinton winning 14% republicans and winning the head to head. I was more interested on how 44% of Democrats had a positive view of the ad even though it includes talking points such as steal their oil and also muslim ban for the US.
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etalian posted:I was more interested on how 44% of Democrats had a positive view of the ad even though it includes talking points such as steal their oil and also muslim ban for the US. I'm hoping it's because it's funny. Just sitting over here hoping as hard as I can.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I'm curious, at what point did each of you decide that Trump's candidacy was serious? (or haven't yet)? Platystemon posted:Sometime in October, I think. October 3rd: fade5 posted:I love that Jeb! gaffing it up has now become an expected phenomenon. It really say everything about him. Ratspeaker posted:But... If Trump was looking for attention, he could've just left that tweet up there. It would've created a nice controversy and kept him in the news for another cycle. Walking it back means-- fade5 posted:Trump has drunk deep of his own supply. I'm actually somewhat proud of how early I called that Jeb! was a completely gaffe-prone fuckup.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:I guess they're trying to say the race is evenish on both sides if for some reason you still think the democratic primary isn't already decided please do not try to correct imbeciles, it keeps the thread funny.
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steinrokkan posted:"gently caress off" In fairness to Hillary, it was a female Secret Service agent she had just found in her and Bill's bed.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I'm curious, at what point did each of you decide that Trump's candidacy was serious? (or haven't yet)? Depends on what you mean by "serious". I thought Trump was making a real effort and thought he could win from relatively early on. I did not think that he would dominate things like this for so long. I'm not sure when my "oh wow he might actually keep this up and take it" realization happened; it might have been November, or October like everyone else so far. I think I was skeptical of him a bit longer than the thread average. Edit: Looking at my posts, yeah, it was late October where I said that he could possibly take the nomination, though it was still "a long shot" then. I didn't think that he had a real chance of the presidency then, and I still don't now, though. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, What exactly is it with the Republicans' never ending need to make people believe Homefront is a credible military scenario?
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