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Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
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open24hours posted:

Would you take it over better local trains?

400km/h is at the high end of current technology, and you can guarantee they'd go for a much slower and slightly cheaper option.

So even if you had the money to do both you wouldn't bother with the high speed rail?

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open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Probably not, I mean if there was money that could only be spent on high speed rail then maybe but that's not realistic. Until the population between capital cities increases I can't see it being worth it. It'd run at a loss and divert funds from more beneficial projects.

I do think they should be securing a route for future development though, it'll only get more expensive if they wait.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
I'm less impressed with David Pope's cartoons ok late. How can I, an American, help restore Tony Abbott to power and let the drawing man get back on his game?

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal
Vote trump.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Birb Katter posted:

If he was out that way chances are he was from the Shire and his death was for the best.

my father--who has passed away--was from northern queensland and was a photographer for a big book about western australia and he asked mary durack to be my godmother and she said yes

e:

Orkin Mang fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Jan 9, 2016

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Let's murder him haha

haha yeah let's

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

You know what's a bit scary. I legitimately had no idea who you were talking about for a good 20 seconds.
I literally had to google "ALP Leader" because I forgot his last name.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
may death visit bbjoey with auspacity

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

agreed

Frogfingers
Oct 10, 2012

gay picnic defence posted:

They can't even sustain a fusion reaction for more than a couple of seconds, the point where it becomes a commercially feasible thing and not just a science experiment would have to be decades away. By which stage 1kWh solar panels will probably cost about $10 each.

How soon do you see nuclear getting off the ground when the political will to build a bunch of metal logs from one city to another can't even materialise in the shadow party room; whose proposals exist only in their collective imaginations?

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Bill Someguy.

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:
Pill Snortin'

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008


Which hurts and leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

How apt.

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-27/macho-culture-to-blame-for-alcohol-fuelled-violence-dr-anne-fox/6270072

Article is crap, report therein is rather interesting.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Pfft, as if there's a solution to any problem that doesn't involve banning things. Furthermore, Australia doesn't have a culture.

EXAKT Science
Aug 14, 2012

8 on the Kinsey scale

open24hours posted:

Pfft, as if there's a solution to any problem that doesn't involve banning things. Furthermore, Australia doesn't have a culture.

What about the racism?

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Anidav posted:

If kept on, and never replaced in 2010. Could rudd have successfully diversified the economy?

Rudd wasn't interested in diversifying the economy. He and Swan did everything in their power to prop up the housing bubble and promote mining.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

open24hours posted:

Pfft, as if there's a solution to any problem that doesn't involve banning things. Furthermore, Australia doesn't have a culture.

We have a culture of banning things despite it not being the cause of the problem in the first place.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Rudd wasn't interested in diversifying the economy. He and Swan did everything in their power to prop up the housing bubble and promote mining.

I think it's 50/50, the Labor treasury certainly knew the mining boom was slowing. Wayne Swan is personally a known supporter of negative gearing in Government. It was certainly a government with untapped potential but really didn't meet a standard in typical Labor fashion and fizzled out.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

quote:

While Mr Harding said he steered clear of polls, he said Mr Newman was one of the Lord Mayor’s he respected, along with Sallyanne Atkinson, Clem Jones and Jim Soorley.

“Campbell was a bloke that got stuff done,” he said.

loving ALP man, why are you sucking up to Camps?

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

The Age posted:

Catholic Church spent millions providing for paedophile priests

The Catholic Church has spent millions of dollars providing pensions, housing, and private medical insurance to convicted paedophile priests despite branding them "evil" and having most defrocked.

The Melbourne archdiocese alone is still financially supporting six former priests who have been convicted for committing sex crimes against children.

Parishioners have unwittingly been partly funding the assistance through their donations into church collection plates, which they believed went towards the local church or fundraising for retired priests.

Church records show two of the paedophiles, priests Wilfred Baker and David Daniel, received hundreds of thousands of dollars alone in annual pensions and entitlements.

Their victims received one-off payments of $31,000 to $37,000 under the church's Melbourne Response redress scheme.

The decision to continue financially supporting disgraced priests was made by senior church figures in Melbourne and the top advisory council at the Vatican, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, according to documents tendered to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

A spokesman for the archdiocese of Melbourne said the church is currently providing support to six priests with criminal convictions for child sex crimes, including four who have been "laicised" or defrocked.

Nine other priests have received pensions, housing stipends or private health insurance after their convictions and until their deaths. Many of them had also been defrocked.

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts
I'm not going to say this is a good thing but it sounds like a bit of a typical beat up on a certain religion.

Wind back the clock.

The Age posted:


Facility for sex offenders to be expanded at Ararat

The facility housing some of Victoria worst sex offenders will be expanded to hold more of the former prisoners on supervision orders.

The state government will announce on Friday the capacity of the facility - which houses offenders who have finished their sentences but are deemed to be an unacceptable risk of reoffending - will be increased from 40 beds to 55 at the cost of $3 million, and that work will begin next month.

The village-style complex, called Corella Place, is located next to the prison in the western Victorian town of Ararat. There are no walls surrounding the facility, but the offenders living there are monitored with GPS ankle bracelets and cannot leave without permission.

''The existing residential facility plays an essential role in the management and ongoing rehabilitation of Victoria's most serious sex offenders,'' Corrections Minister Ed O'Donohue said.

Many tax payers "unwittingly" fully fund these facilities as well, but it's not presented as an angle in the article above.

As abhorrent as these individuals can be you have to house them somewhere. If the Catholic church wants to pick up the bill so be it.

Mad Katter
Aug 23, 2010

STOP THE BATS

Graic Gabtar posted:

I'm not going to say this is a good thing but it sounds like a bit of a typical beat up on a certain religion.

Wind back the clock.


Many tax payers "unwittingly" fully fund these facilities as well, but it's not presented as an angle in the article above.

As abhorrent as these individuals can be you have to house them somewhere. If the Catholic church wants to pick up the bill so be it.

I think the most problematic part about the story is that the victims receive relatively little support from the church in comparison to their abusers.

fiery_valkyrie
Mar 26, 2003

I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.
Would the "senior church figures in Melbourne" that made that decision have included Pell?

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



fiery_valkyrie posted:

Would the "senior church figures in Melbourne" that made that decision have included Pell?

Almost certainly. Even if he didn't authorise it directly, as Cardinal / former Archbishop, he would have been aware of it.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Mad Katter posted:

I think the most problematic part about the story is that the victims receive relatively little support from the church in comparison to their abusers.

That would be the same for regular crims though, how much would we spend locking them up compared to compensation paid to victims?

Mad Katter
Aug 23, 2010

STOP THE BATS
No doubt, but public spending on the justice system seems like an entirely different matter.

fiery_valkyrie
Mar 26, 2003

I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

gay picnic defence posted:

That would be the same for regular crims though, how much would we spend locking them up compared to compensation paid to victims?

Usually the criminals aren't protected by government cover ups for years though.

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

Mad Katter posted:

I think the most problematic part about the story is that the victims receive relatively little support from the church in comparison to their abusers.

Yes it's the quite obvious angle of the story, but it's still a beat up.

A simple Google shows that the offenders named were in the article are/were supported by the church for around ten years each. One is dead. Not hard to rack up "hundreds of thousands of dollars" to be honest. They should have reported that so that readers know the rivers of gold have stopped for at least one of them.

If you want to write an article about lovely payments to victims of crimes then do that. Unless they draw comparisons between Church vs. State funding for a similar thing as well then it just reads like a junk article.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Fried Chicken posted:

I'm less impressed with David Pope's cartoons ok late. How can I, an American, help restore Tony Abbott to power and let the drawing man get back on his game?

I liked the "Hangover" one he did.

SadisTech
Jun 26, 2013

Clem.
aw jesus tithin's av needs changing

Mattjpwns
Dec 14, 2006

In joyful strains then let us sing
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FUCKED

:suicide:

I'm choosing to take a silver lining from this in that WA is no longer *the* garbage people state, it's now equal first for garbage people state with NSW. :toot:

Thanks, Emperor Barnett.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

tithin posted:

Almost certainly. Even if he didn't authorise it directly, as Cardinal / former Archbishop, he would have been aware of it.

that's some loving avatar

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Graic Gabtar posted:

Yes it's the quite obvious angle of the story, but it's still a beat up.

A simple Google shows that the offenders named were in the article are/were supported by the church for around ten years each. One is dead. Not hard to rack up "hundreds of thousands of dollars" to be honest. They should have reported that so that readers know the rivers of gold have stopped for at least one of them.

If you want to write an article about lovely payments to victims of crimes then do that. Unless they draw comparisons between Church vs. State funding for a similar thing as well then it just reads like a junk article.

Well in the government funded program it's expressly for the purpose of keeping them away from children. Is there anything showing that the Church programs involve round the clock seperation of the offenders from youth?

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

Graic Gabtar posted:

Yes it's the quite obvious angle of the story, but it's still a beat up.

A simple Google shows that the offenders named were in the article are/were supported by the church for around ten years each. One is dead. Not hard to rack up "hundreds of thousands of dollars" to be honest. They should have reported that so that readers know the rivers of gold have stopped for at least one of them.

If you want to write an article about lovely payments to victims of crimes then do that. Unless they draw comparisons between Church vs. State funding for a similar thing as well then it just reads like a junk article.

Rehabilitation of sexually abusive convicts as a public project and private payments to offenders from the body they were facilitated by are very different things, with very different rubrics and aims, and they do not replace eachother

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Yeah that's pretty interesting. It's strange that a loooot of other countries have similar consumption of alcohol, but don't have the weird problem with macho culture or anywhere near the same rate of domestic violence as we do. But the US, UK, NZ, and AU all have these similar issues with pressures to be macho and aggressive.

What is it about anglo men that makes them so angry? Loss of power through the slow dismantling of colonial and patriarchal power structures? (too slow IMO but that's just me)

Whatever it is, alcohol isn't to blame. It does contribute, so it's the easiest scapegoat for politicians and the media to point to so they don't have to address the underlying toxic culture. Hopefully it does start to make people more accountable for their own actions while drunk, but lol that's not gonna happen.

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE
Thread has been pretty quiet lately so let's get back on track. Should sausages be called sangas or sandwiches? Can they both be sangas so you can have a sanga sanga?

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Birb Katter posted:

Thread has been pretty quiet lately so let's get back on track. Should sausages be called sangas or sandwiches? Can they both be sangas so you can have a sanga sanga?

Yesterday I had a steak sambo for lunch

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EXAKT Science
Aug 14, 2012

8 on the Kinsey scale

Birdstrike posted:

Yesterday I had a steak sambo for lunch

Racist

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