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The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Jumpingmanjim posted:

I'm curious, at what point did each of you decide that Trump's candidacy was serious? (or haven't yet)?

When Trump filed his financials I knew he was the real deal. That's when I began preaching to all who would listen of the impending Trumpacolypse.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

TheTatteredKing posted:

Okay but as I said in that post I think that isn't going to work. Trump has already said enough in his life and campaign that I think Hilary would have enough material to sell that second place is just the first loser under the Don, and throwing yourself under the bus to gently caress the islams isn't going to be worth it.
How many people are going to vote for a guy who thinks wages are too high when they're in effective poverty? I know racist voting against self interest is a thing but that's supported by the right wing media empire. I think it's a hard sell to people not already in the herd. Hil-dog would just need to drift more to the left and really hammer economic improvement for the poor and disaffected, those people are Trump's bread and butter. I think self preservation will win out over spite.
If she bothers to work that angle. But she's already being pushed that way by Bernie and I think it's such an obvious move.

IIRC Trump has already come out and denied that he thinks wages are too high. He can always say they're not high enough, and my immigration policies will make them even higher because companies will have to hire American workers - and that will sell to people who weren't paying attention during the primary season.

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

IIRC Trump has already come out and denied that he thinks wages are too high. He can always say they're not high enough, and my immigration policies will make them even higher because companies will have to hire American workers - and that will sell to people who weren't paying attention during the primary season.

He's on record as saying they're too high, and, after Bernie blasted him, that they're not high enough (and also that he never said they're too high, though pretty much every article reporting this then quoted his previous statements that say exactly that, which amuses me). He'll say pretty much whatever he thinks he has to in areas like that.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

steinrokkan posted:

"gently caress off"

I was under the impression that SS agents never ever ever address anyone unless they're addressed first. I don't know where I got this impression but it seems really unlikely that any agent that wanted to keep their job would say 'Good Morning' in the first place.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Pillowpants
Aug 5, 2006

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's a mistake to assume that a Big Tent party like the Democratic Party is exclusively "Left." Registered Democrats had always outnumbered Republicans in Oklahoma, all the way up until this last year. Yet Republican legislatures and governors have always dominated the state since the death of Socialism.

Bush made himself competitive in 2000 by using homophobia as a wedge to disaffect Democratic voters, or even get a few of them voting for him. So let's say Trump shifts his rhetoric in the General away from anti-immigration to anti-Islam. He's already walked back his immigration rhetoric by claiming that he wants workers coming into the country legally. A "lot" of them. That's the last thing that his base wants to hear, but they're willing to ignore that in favor of his overall body of rhetoric. If he can turn his campaign into a Christian or Western party against Muslims he could generate a lot of crossover even from non-whites.

Never underestimate how reactionary and fearful the American electorate can be. Especially in the wake of sectarian violence.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

I'm curious, at what point did each of you decide that Trump's candidacy was serious? (or haven't yet)?

At first I thought he was in to make a point and bring his pet issues up.

After he kinda wrecked Walker, Perry, and Bush I was convinced it would be Rubio because I think he's the most electable.

As it got closer to Christmas and Rubio failed to materialize a lead anywhere, I figured the establishment would fall back to Cruz.

But now, 23 days out, a turnaround like this hasn't happened in recent memory (could be wrong) the establishment is split four ways, trump is leading almost everywhere and I am now convinced we will have president Trump.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Mister Macys posted:

What exactly is it with the Republicans' never ending need to make people believe Homefront is a credible military scenario?

Out of all the stupidity that was that game, I think the dumbest part was the writer of the story even saying that such a scenario was possible. Dumbass was huffing his own farts something fierce.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

Thump! posted:

Out of all the stupidity that was that game, I think the dumbest part was the writer of the story even saying that such a scenario was possible. Dumbass was huffing his own farts something fierce.

Are you sure he wasn't just hyping his own game? Nothing gets votes like fear, and nothing sells more than fear.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

Pillowpants posted:

But now, 23 days out, a turnaround like this hasn't happened in recent memory (could be wrong)

The 2004 Democratic Primary would be your analogue, if you wanted one. That said, Dean was "leading" with less than 20% in the polls with like a third of the electorate in the undecided column in the immediate runup to Iowa, so he was in a far shakier position than Trump is.

EasyEW
Mar 8, 2006

I've got my father's great big six-shooter with me 'n' if anybody in this woods wants to start somethin' just let 'em--but they DASSN'T.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

I'm curious, at what point did each of you decide that Trump's candidacy was serious? (or haven't yet)?

When NBC announced that Arnold Schwarzenegger was hosting the next season of Celebrity Apprentice. That was the exact moment when Trump 2016 got far, far too real for me.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Roland Jones posted:

He's on record as saying they're too high, and, after Bernie blasted him, that they're not high enough (and also that he never said they're too high, though pretty much every article reporting this then quoted his previous statements that say exactly that, which amuses me). He'll say pretty much whatever he thinks he has to in areas like that.

Yeah he's no substance. A personality cult based off being on the winning political team instead of a useful idiot for once is a paper tiger. I'm still unconvinced he even gets to the general.
The guy is a habitual liar too. Hilary has a reputation of being scrupulous, but that will be nothing compared to a reel of someone contradicting himself and fact.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Necc0 posted:

I was under the impression that SS agents never ever ever address anyone unless they're addressed first. I don't know where I got this impression but it seems really unlikely that any agent that wanted to keep their job would say 'Good Morning' in the first place.

Well, they aren't supposed to fraternize, but AFAIK professional politeness is not forbidden, and of course some of their duties require them to initiate conversations.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Good. I hope there is schism in the republican party of Iowa.

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.

Logikv9 posted:

Are you sure he wasn't just hyping his own game? Nothing gets votes like fear, and nothing sells more than fear.

I'm reminded of an old FYAD tagline: "You will experience fear, the best emotion."

William Bear
Oct 26, 2012

"That's what they all say!"
Hold on, Arthur :laffo: is saying the GOP will sweep 2016 and have a great president:

quote:

Supply-side economist Arthur Laffer is predicting Republicans will win the White House in a landslide this year, regardless of the nominee.

“I would be surprised if the Republicans don’t take 45, 46, 47 states out of the 50,” Laffer told host John Catsimatidis on “The Cats Roundtable” on New York’s AM-970 on Sunday.

“I mean, I think we’re going to landslide this election.”

Laffer, who served in various positions in the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations, said he is bullish on the entire Republican primary field.

“When I look at these candidates, I don’t see one of them who wouldn’t do a great job as president,” he said.

“I think Donald Trump is phenomenal, I think Rand Paul has done a great job, I even like Jeb Bush — I think Jeb Bush is great, he did a wonderful job in Florida,” he added. “Chris Christie – phenomenal.”

He said Democratic primary front-runner Hillary Clinton’s “day is over.”

“She would be defeated handily. I don’t think Hillary’s going to win this election no matter whom she runs against,” he said. “I mean, Hillary’s day is over.

“I think she’s a very impressive person, she’s very articulate, very well educated, got a great resume and all of that, but her policies are not good. And it’s about issues, not about people, and her day has gone,” he added.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265355-economist-gop-may-win-47-states-in-general-election

Boomstick Quaid
Jan 28, 2009

Hillary is doing really lovely against Republicans in the WSJ/NBC poll released today, he may have a point.

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

Donald Trump is literally The Mule.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-09/iowa-s-branstad-says-trump-lacks-experience-nuance-to-be-president

Rocks
Dec 30, 2011


Who is that? I'm guess Donald trump Jr, and ????

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

People have definitely cooled on Hillary due to the fact that Bernie doing better than expected is the hot topic firing up a lot of the younger democrats, plus the whole of the Democratic primary being just a sideshow to the endless circus of the Republican primary

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe
“I think Donald Trump is phenomenal, I think Rand Paul has done a great job, I even like Jeb Bush — I think Jeb Bush is great, he did a wonderful job in Florida,” he added. “Chris Christie – phenomenal.”

First off, even Arthur Laffer apparently doesn't like Ted Cruz and forgets Marco Rubio exists.

Second of all, I love the sentence "I even like Jeb Bush."

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Logikv9 posted:

Are you sure he wasn't just hyping his own game? Nothing gets votes like fear, and nothing sells more than fear.

Eh, maybe, I'm trying to find the article that I read a few years ago around the time the game came out, the guy basically laid out like 20 or 30 points and was claiming that each one had a 50/50 chance of coming true or not or some such nonsense. poo poo like "North Korea invades and conquers South Korea in 2015". It just smacked of patriot wank fiction with no basis or understanding of the real world. If I find the article I'll post it, but I think this is probably a bit too off-topic for the thread so I'll just shut up about dumb video games :downs:

baw
Nov 5, 2008

RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY
everything is good, all the candidates are good, kansas will soon experience an economic boom, everything is good, nothing to worry about

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Rocks posted:

Who is that? I'm guess Donald trump Jr, and ????

Terry Branstad. POS Governor of Iowa. If he is endorsing Trump then the Iowa republican party is split.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


I just envision him in Trump Tower, on the 54th floor, whatever beautiful apartment, calls to Fox and Friends, Morning Joe, and morning CNN, sitting there with a great bathrobe and nice slippers and he's just, he consumes the space.

:blush:

Rocks
Dec 30, 2011

Mr Hootington posted:

Terry Branstad. POS Governor of Iowa. If he is endorsing Trump then the Iowa republican party is split.

Nice thanks

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003



etalian posted:

Trump's thanks for the money email was surprisingly low intensity



try donating that amount to ben carson, you might find yourself a character in one of his robitussin hallucinations

EXTREME INSERTION
Jun 4, 2011

by LadyAmbien
So, whose winning

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


EXTREME INSERTION posted:

So, whose winning

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

EasyEW posted:

When NBC announced that Arnold Schwarzenegger was hosting the next season of Celebrity Apprentice. That was the exact moment when Trump 2016 got far, far too real for me.

Is "you're fired" going to be replaced with "you're terminated"?

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007


I have that feature too

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin

Mr Hootington posted:

Terry Branstad. POS Governor of Iowa. If he is endorsing Trump then the Iowa republican party is split.

Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,


Mr Hootington posted:

Terry Branstad. POS Governor of Iowa. If he is endorsing Trump then the Iowa republican party is split.

If the Governor of Iowa actually did endorse Trump, that'd be a hell of a thing. Sure, it might help make the outcome a little closer, but more to the point it might also be a sign that some Republican politicians are starting to sense the coming Trumpocalypse and want to get on Donald's good side while the getting is good.

Trump's absolutely the kind of guy who'd remember if the governor endorsed him and that put him over the top to win Iowa. Or at the very least, in the event where he loses Iowa but wins the nomination, that might stay his hand from taking revenge on the whole state.

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin
Christie is going after Branstad hard. He wants his endorsement bad.

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

I don’t know what’s the worst part of this: that’s it’s from Santorum, that he bemoans not wearing a sweater vest, or that he took the photo while travelling 53 mph.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Boomstick Quaid posted:

Hillary is doing really lovely against Republicans in the WSJ/NBC poll released today, he may have a point.

Probably because everyone is paying attention to the GOP primary and not the Dem one. People were using this stupid argument that Obama had zero chance in 2012 to.

CortezFantastic
Aug 10, 2003

I SEE DEMONS

Wonder what his prediction for Romney was, since everyone was so SHOCKED he lost as badly as he did

Boomstick Quaid
Jan 28, 2009

Venom Snake posted:

Probably because everyone is paying attention to the GOP primary and not the Dem one. People were using this stupid argument that Obama had zero chance in 2012 to.

Then why was Bernie beating Republicans in those same match ups?

"In Iowa:

Clinton leads Trump by eight points among registered voters (48 percent to 40 percent), but Sanders is ahead of him by 13 (51 percent to 38 percent);

Cruz tops Clinton by four points (47 percent to 43 percent), but Sanders beats him by five (47 percent to 42 percent);

And Rubio is up by five points over Clinton (47 percent to 42 percent), while he's tied with Sanders (44 percent to 44 percent).

In New Hampshire:

Clinton is ahead of Trump by just one point (45 percent to 44 percent), but Sanders tops him by 19 points (56 percent to 37 percent);

Cruz beats Clinton by four points (48 percent to 44 percent), but Sanders leads him by another 19 points (55 percent to 36 percent);

And Rubio bests Clinton by 12 points (52 percent to 40 percent), while Sanders leads him by nine points (50 percent to 41 percent)."

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

dick morris is burning down the phone lines trying to put together a legal team to sue this prick for biting on his gimmick

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Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.
New Polls from NBC/Marist saying pretty much the exact same things the Fox polls on Friday did!

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/110-cruz-and-trump-vie-in-ia-trump-nh-favorite-clinton-and-sanders-competitive/


quote:

Cruz does better among likely GOP caucus-goers in Iowa who support the Tea Party, identify as conservative, are white Evangelical Christians, are men, or college graduates. Trump is ahead among those who do not practice a religion, those who are unmarried, and moderates.

Donald J. Trump, your moderate Republican candidate for 2016.

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