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Blind Pineapple posted:I'm sure this is all true. Let's look at the missing facts. 1. Tony Martins shotgun licence was revoked after he shot the car of a guy stealing apples. 2. Even if it hadn't been revoked, it wouldn't have covered pump action shotgun. 3. He's a BNP member and former National Front supporter, didn't need the media to make him look like a vengeful nutter. 4. The media didn't paint the kids as pranksters or Robin hoods because they were Irish travelers and we're still very racist. At best it was "they were dick heads, doesn't mean they should die" 5. Tony Martin won his appeal to reduce it to manslaughter and is now a free man. And, most significantly, 6. He chased them down the stairs and out the house, firing three times and shot them in the back gently caress Tony Martin.
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Tiggum posted:I just don't get the mindset of anyone who reads this and doesn't think "Good." Maniac with a shotgun murdered someone and was arrested. I know this was apparently about a UK case, but in part (most?) of the US, someone invading your home is considered sufficient reason to fear for your life. Someone else on this forum said they couldn't understand how someone would think shooting a home invader counted as murder, and you can't understand how someone wouldn't. So I guess the lesson to take from this is that people have different and strong opinions on major topics such as the use of violence. really makes u think... E: Also it's really creepy how someone felt the need to write about one of the people getting shot writhing around and screaming. I've had different viewpoints on violence over the years, but that line always would have made me uncomfortable. 22 Eargesplitten has a new favorite as of 08:03 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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Tony Martin was recently arested again for geting himself some more of those sweet sweet guns he loves. He shot a child in the back and the tradgedy is that he is not in prison for life.
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what was the last war that americans fought against anyone even vaguely threatening to them again? also lol that someone else discovered the joy that is everydayfeminism; the site that couldn't be a better false flag if it tried
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Threatening to the US as a whole or threatening to the poor shits that got sent into a combat zone?
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LOL Yes, this totally happened. All it's missing is "And that guy who paid for my meal? Albert Einstein!"
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Deceitful Penguin posted:what was the last war that americans fought against anyone even vaguely threatening to them again? 1812, even though we kind of fanned the flames on that one. So yeah, it's been a while.
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All the same person. These men don't accept me as one of them but why won't they see me as the woman I am? I don't need their attention anyway! These grapes are sour! She also might need to be put on some kind of watch list. She's super creepy about her ten(ish) year old nephew and sometimes posts videos of her wrestling and groping him while he looks uncomfortable about the whole thing.   edit: Cue all the people you know crying about how Bowie was their spirit animal and they never went a day in their life without thanking him for all things he's done Like if you loved David Bowie keep scrolling if you hated his package in The Labyrinth. kinmik has a new favorite as of 13:06 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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I know people who had to hand in their weapons when the gun control laws in the UK tightened up, but never heard a single person - then or now - complain. The most was 'ah I only just bought this, and it was custom made so expensive'. Everyone just accepted that yeah, maybe this is for the greater good and we got on with our lives.
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cash crab posted:What year is it? Apparently 2011? That was when Hot topic was a thing right?
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Let's look at the missing facts. Hahaha thanks for this and  , gently caress Tony Martin.
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joedevola posted:This is a Korean interpretation of German pizza. Man, i wish we had pizza like that in germany. Looks amazing.
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If any of this story was even remotely true, this is probably one of those guys that volunteered for a 90-120 day deployment, went to a cushy location like Bagram or Kabul, had days off working less than 12hrs a day and then came back home working an eight hour day or less with the weekends off. I mean, yeah this is clearly stdh.txt, but you know there are people eating that poo poo up.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Let's look at the missing facts. Yeah, as soon as I read the post I went to Wikipedia and surprise! It's nearly all bullshit. He laid in wait for them and shot them without warning.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I know this was apparently about a UK case, but in part (most?) of the US, someone invading your home is considered sufficient reason to fear for your life. Someone else on this forum said they couldn't understand how someone would think shooting a home invader counted as murder, and you can't understand how someone wouldn't. So I guess the lesson to take from this is that people have different and strong opinions on major topics such as the use of violence. really makes u think... The UK uses the concept that you can employ 'reasonable force' - so you can shoot people if they are in your home if you need to defend yourself. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19886504 And the irony in that posting is that it highlights that there have been only two major shooting sprees in the UK in the last 30 years, so perhaps that way of doing things isn't too bad after all
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ratbert90 posted:Yeah, as soon as I read the post I went to Wikipedia and surprise! It's nearly all bullshit. He laid in wait for them and shot them without warning. More like liberalpedia 
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CommonShore posted:More like liberalpedia The truth has a liberal bias.  Seriously though, he had a pump action shotgun. What I got from the story is: 1) He heard his window breaking. 2) He decided to pump his shotgun (or he had it pre-pumped) away from anybody hearing it. 3) Then he decided to shoot the criminals. If he had just pumped the shotgun in his house and the criminals had heard it, there is a really high chance they would have ran.
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Blind Pineapple posted:I'm sure this is all true. The bit about the farmer serving life imprisonment? It's been awhile, but if I remember right, he winged one of the burglars with the first shot, reloaded, walked over while the guy was screaming and put both barrels in his back.
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King Doom posted:The bit about the farmer serving life imprisonment? Not quite: hid in the dark and shot at them three times without warning and the last two shots got them in the back as they were trying to escape through a window. http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/jul/27/tonymartin.ukcrime quote:"However, much of that sympathy is based on very inadequate accounts of the evidence. I believe the burglars did not know Martin was there until the very last moment. They were given no chance to escape, and Martin was not acting in reasonable self-defence. He fired intending really serious injury and certainly risked the lives of each of the burglars." He might have got away without any charges at all, had he given a warning and shot them in the front. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19886504 quote:The most recent case was that of Andy and Tracey Ferrie. They were in bed when two burglars entered their home. Mr Ferrie fired his (legally-held) shotgun at the men. The couple were arrested but then released without charge.
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 Being a smug dad rock nerd works better when you can actually identify what songs the band you're referencing sings, apparently.
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 Considering how heavily armed he is the last part is definitely true.  Still harping on the Obama crying over the death of children thing  Money for everyone!  
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Aw, I came here to post that last one. HOW ARE PEOPLE SO BAD AT MATH?!
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Seems to me if you don't try to break into a guys house to rob him he probably won't shoot you.
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spog posted:And the irony in that posting is that it highlights that there have been only two major shooting sprees in the UK in the last 30 years, so perhaps that way of doing things isn't too bad after all I've tried to stay away from gun control debates in the past 5 years because nobody ever changes their mind, so my information is likely outdated. But in a study ending in 2005, the UK had a violent crime rate on par with the US, so it's pretty much one of the worst examples. There's a ton of nations with strict gun laws and lower violent crime rates which make better examples.
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That is absolutely what you look like at 12 weeks' gestational age if you happen to be a resin figurine.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I've tried to stay away from gun control debates in the past 5 years because nobody ever changes their mind, so my information is likely outdated. But in a study ending in 2005, the UK had a violent crime rate on par with the US, so it's pretty much one of the worst examples. There's a ton of nations with strict gun laws and lower violent crime rates which make better examples. Like you, I know that anything vaguely related to the topic of gun control is a pointless discussion, but these stats are oft-quoted on social media and are wrong, due to the way both countries report crimes: in the UK, 'violent crime' covers 'he used the wrong form of address when speaking to me' and in the US it starts at 'he bled all over my pick-up' https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/ quote:While it becomes clear that certain types of offenses are marginally higher in the UK than in the US (robbery and knife crime being more likely in the UK by an order of 1.1x and 1.27x respectively) a number of other, more serious offenses, are both marginally and substantially higher in the US. Rape of a female is 1.02x more likely in the US, while theft of a vehicle is 1.29x more likely. More disturbingly, burglary is significantly higher at 1.52x more likely to occur in the US. However, it is at the considerably more, well, violent crimes that America really supersedes England and Wales into its own class. In the United States, you are 6.9x more likely to be the victim of aggravated assault resulting in serious injury than in the UK. You are 4.03x more likely to be murdered than in the UK. And more staggeringly (though not surprising) you are 35.2x more likely to be shot dead in the Unites States than in the UK. Before anybody asks, no, these do not take into account justifiable homicide and other “acceptable shootings”, nor do murders for that matter: So I I guess the TL;DR is that any statistic you read on social media is probably wrong.
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Yes, I'm posting from the UK. I was just outside a mintue ago, and it doesn't look like a facist dystopia. Maybe I missed the jackbooted army marching past sheering about how we have no guns to shoot them with? Seriously though, how does anyone write that seriously and expect other people to do so. I thought the ""America is the only free country, the rest are socialist hellholes" was a joke to poke fun at  types, not what someone actually thinks. 
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Oh the sweet innocence. Have you ever heard of the freep thread? 
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Fathis Munk posted:Oh the sweet innocence. Have you ever heard of the freep thread? Yeah, but that's more insular whining about how America isn't like thier imaginary version of the 1950s, not America is literally the only country ever, which ever had freedom. And freedom is only due to guns. Nothing else, just guns.
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oldpainless posted:Seems to me if you don't try to break into a guys house to rob him he probably won't shoot you. victim blaming
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spog posted:Like you, I know that anything vaguely related to the topic of gun control is a pointless discussion, but these stats are oft-quoted on social media and are wrong, due to the way both countries report crimes: in the UK, 'violent crime' covers 'he used the wrong form of address when speaking to me' and in the US it starts at 'he bled all over my pick-up' I actually read the whole report, since I was in school and used to reading through a bunch of dry crap. I guess they didn't adjust for different definitions of violent crime? It was either an FBI or DOJ crime statistics comparison. There was also a Swedish report supposedly linking crime more to poverty than guns, but it was in Swedish, and I can't read Swedish, so I can't vouch for the methodology or anything. I'd like to think so, although the party in the US opposing gun control is the same one opposing social safety nets to break the cycle of poverty. Unless we try to bring in refugees, then they start complaining about the homeless veterans they screw over the rest of the time.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:There was also a Swedish report supposedly linking crime more to poverty than guns, but it was in Swedish, and I can't read Swedish, so I can't vouch for the methodology or anything. I'd like to think so, although the party in the US opposing gun control is the same one opposing social safety nets to break the cycle of poverty. Unless we try to bring in refugees, then they start complaining about the homeless veterans they screw over the rest of the time. Makes sense. New Hampshire (7th richest state) has 1/10th the homicide rate of Mississippi (poorest state). Both states have lots of guns, but New Hampshire is as safe as the safest European country whereas Mississippi is loving Thunderdome.
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How does one figuratively save a life?
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Picnic Princess posted:How does one figuratively save a life? When the life is actually a resin model, I suppose.
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Picnic Princess posted:How does one figuratively save a life? "Hey man thanks for helping me study for that test, you really saved my life. If I came with with another F my parents would have figuratively killed me."
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subpar anachronism posted:
GIS what a real 12 week foetus looks like. If you'd rather not, just picture a large white jelly baby with black eyes.
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Dogfish posted:That is absolutely what you look like at 12 weeks' gestational age if you happen to be a resin figurine. Then what does a 12 week old fetus look like? Pretty gross Snopes will tell you.
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Such Fun posted:Then what does a 12 week old fetus look like? I'm not clicking on that liberal propaganda site.
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 I'm not going to touch the poop on the validity of this person's assertion, but in my personal opinion, it's sometimes more tactful to wait more than 24 hours before pulling the whole "your fave is/was problematic" thing. Am I being unreasonable here?
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