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Ennio Morricone just won the Golden Globe for best score. Tarantino said, accepting it on his behalf, that he considers him the best composer, not just amongst the "ghetto" of Hollywood, but of all-time great composers.
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I really enjoyed the film. It felt like an apology for Django. I couldn't never enjoy Django because it was too close to home and I can't laugh at the subject the way others can. H8 comes off as a nuanced version of Django in how treats race as a dance instead of good guys/bad guys. Tarantino is smart enough to understand the problems with Django but he couldn't resist making an exploitation flick. He's a weird mix of maturity and immaturity and so he has two films based around some of the same ideas, just with different treatments. I can respect that. I think people infantilize Daisy and she wasn't the villain of the film. The Domergue gang was. But the point was about dispassionate justice. Something needed to be done and even though it wouldn't matter, it still needed to be done right.
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Jan 11, 2016 03:11
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Django was good, h8ful 8 was bad
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Jan 11, 2016 03:12
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Disgusting Coward posted:This film is a play about a bunch of dudes putting on a play for their own diabolical ends, complete with worrying about set dressing and getting hyped for the big opening and whatnot, only to come unglued when a buncha cinema poo poo happens [slow mo, extreme close up et cetera] and finally Daisy Domergue gets hers in a totally Hollywood ending that ignores anything that happens after the ever after. Mannix
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Jan 11, 2016 03:13
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pwn posted:Ennio Morricone just won the Golden Globe for best score. Tarantino said, accepting it on his behalf, that he considers him the best composer, not just amongst the "ghetto" of Hollywood, but of all-time great composers. He's right.
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Jan 11, 2016 03:30
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:Django was good, h8ful 8 was bad They're both good. Hateful Eight was better.
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Jan 11, 2016 05:22
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This was a great, unique movie. My only complaint is that OB did a lot of work, but nobody ever had to go to the bathroom.
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Jan 11, 2016 05:32
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LesterGroans posted:They're both good. Hateful Eight was better. I have to agree. The weakest part of Django is the revenge fantasy wish-fulfillment aspect of it. The Hateful 8 is strong in many of the same ways as Django, but it lacks this aspect.
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Jan 11, 2016 05:38
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DJANGO is the Lincoln letter, while HATEFUL EIGHT reveals it to be what it is. Tarantino stops playing pretend and lays bare the ugliness of it all.
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Jan 11, 2016 12:27
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temple posted:H8 comes off as a nuanced version of Django in how treats race as a dance instead of good guys/bad guys. I like this take on it.
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Jan 11, 2016 15:40
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Sergeant_Crunch posted:I wish Tarantino could pull back the silly grindhouse poo poo just a little bit. I mean it's fine in a movie like Kill Bill, but it really pulls this movie down in the last half in my opinion. Also I wish he could stop saying friend of the family so much. He's like a petulant teenager who also happens to be a master filmmaker. as much as I thought this was a fairly good movie, I have to agree on this. Can't get away from Civil War-era poo poo fast enough, sometimes I just cringe at certain things he writes. Strangely I thought more about Django but liked Hateful 8 more, even if I feel it didn't bring too many nuanced themes to the table besides the nature of the lies we tell to justify actions, as well as those concepts of united through mutual vengeance/hatred.
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Jan 11, 2016 15:47
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Sergeant_Crunch posted:I wish Tarantino could pull back the silly grindhouse poo poo just a little bit. That's what he does though. Always has. It's like saying "I wish AC/DC would pull back a bit with all the silly loud guitar poo poo a bit". It's not an invalid wish of course, but wishing for Tarantino to do less of that is like holding out for AC/DC's jazz fusion album and will probably lead to a lot of disappointment.
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Jan 11, 2016 16:23
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The Human Crouton posted:This was a great, unique movie. My only complaint is that OB did a lot of work, but nobody ever had to go to the bathroom. And here I was thinking all that coffee they were drinking would make the outhouse a bigger part of the plot.
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Jan 11, 2016 16:29
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InfiniteZero posted:That's what he does though. Always has. It's like saying "I wish AC/DC would pull back a bit with all the silly loud guitar poo poo a bit". I want another film as "mature" as Jackie Brown. Jackie Brown didn't have any over the top silliness.
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Krispy Kareem posted:And here I was thinking all that coffee they were drinking would make the outhouse a bigger part of the plot. You totally made my day.  The outhouse trail-markers were a red herring.zandert33 posted:I want another film as "mature" as Jackie Brown. Jackie Brown didn't have any over the top silliness. Huh. Jackie Brown is the 'least' Tarantino film he's made.
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Jan 11, 2016 16:44
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I think Hateful Eight is a better movie than Django, but I enjoyed Django more.
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Jan 11, 2016 16:57
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The notion that Deathproof/Basterds/Django are "immature" because they portray misogyny and racism as unambiguously bad and their violent destruction as righteous and cathartic is, at best, misguided and itself immature.
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Jan 11, 2016 17:18
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It is, and I'm not sure whether it's his best movie because of or in spite of it.
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Jan 11, 2016 17:23
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Cacator posted:It is, and I'm not sure whether it's his best movie because of or in spite of it. I truly feel Jackie Brown is the last film he put his heart into. After it was sort of ignored I think he's been mostly just goofing around. Don't get me wrong, I like his goofing around, but I'd like a bit more than that sometimes.
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Jan 11, 2016 18:00
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DeimosRising posted:The notion that Deathproof/Basterds/Django are "immature" because they portray misogyny and racism as unambiguously bad and their violent destruction as righteous and cathartic is, at best, misguided and itself immature.
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Jan 11, 2016 18:20
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I Before E posted:The ending is way more powerful if it's fake though. It becomes Two men bonding over the purposefully cruel slow death of a woman by reiterating a lie, specifically a lie that Warren tells himself and others about his own heroism, a supposed heroism that has justified his own acts of unimaginable cruelty countless times before. See I'd disagree that when Ruth hits her it's gleeful, or sadistic---he's lashing out essentially on instinct, hitting her without even thinking about it. As well Daisy turns out to be far from helpless and I think it's pretty well summed up when Ruth, dying, punches Daisy so hard he breaks her teeth and she laughs in his face---showing that he never had the power he thought he did, that she could take all the punishment he could dish out and still got the best of him. Tiptoes posted:I definitely felt like the movie was intentionally sending conflicting signals about its characters. Disgusting Coward posted:This film is a play about a bunch of dudes putting on a play for their own diabolical ends, complete with worrying about set dressing and getting hyped for the big opening and whatnot, only to come unglued when a buncha cinema poo poo happens [slow mo, extreme close up et cetera] and finally Daisy Domergue gets hers in a totally Hollywood ending that ignores anything that happens after the ever after. Sergeant_Crunch posted:I wish Tarantino could pull back the silly grindhouse poo poo just a little bit. I mean it's fine in a movie like Kill Bill, but it really pulls this movie down in the last half in my opinion. Also I wish he could stop saying friend of the family so much. He's like a petulant teenager who also happens to be a master filmmaker. I wouldn't want Tarantino to do a more conventional movie ever, unless he wanted to. There's already a million good filmmakers who practice tasteful restraint but there's only one Tarantino. Harime Nui fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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Jan 11, 2016 18:25
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Cacator posted:It is, and I'm not sure whether it's his best movie because of or in spite of it. It's a nice, enjoyable film, but not one that sticks with me. I'd say it's my second-to-last favorite, with my least favorite being Deathproof. Jackie Brown feels like Tarantino wanted to do a Casino-type movie with a huge cast, and while it's enjoyable, it's just a really good popcorn film. It's not unique - it's a really direct homage to its era, without any of Tarantino's signature.
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Jan 11, 2016 18:31
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Harime Nui posted:See I'd disagree that when Ruth hits her it's gleeful, or sadistic---he's lashing out essentially on instinct, hitting her without even thinking about it. As well Daisy turns out to be far from helpless and I think it's pretty well summed up when Ruth, dying, punches Daisy so hard he breaks her teeth and she laughs in his face---showing that he never had the power he thought he did, that she could take all the punishment he could dish out and still got the best of him. The only aspect of "grindhouse poo poo" that I saw in H8 was when Marquis shot Bob in the head with both pistols, literally exploding it. But this actually became a plot point later, so I thought that was funny.
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Jan 11, 2016 18:34
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I think it would be nice to see another modern gangster movie, but still set in the 90s. Nostalgia for that era is in at the moment and I would love to see Tarantino's take on it.
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Jan 11, 2016 18:45
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Another friend of mine also was of the opinion that "it was a great movie for the first half," and then falls apart because of 'artificial' elements like unrealistic OTT violence, narration, etc---it's like I don't know; if that's how you feel, there's a really good Ron Howard movie in theaters right now, why didn't you go see that instead then? 
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Harime Nui posted:Another friend of mine also was of the opinion that "it was a great movie for the first half," and then falls apart because of 'artificial' elements like unrealistic OTT violence, narration, etc---it's like I don't know; if that's how you feel, there's a really good Ron Howard movie in theaters right now, why didn't you go see that instead then? I have the same take as your friend. I saw the Roadshow, and absolutely loved this movie up to intermission. When we came back from intermission, QT breaks the fourth wall with his (very unnecessary) narration, and the movie goes off on a "Evil Dead" homage. This movie went off the charts with the ultra-violence and I felt it was very forced by QT. It think QT was trying too hard to "out-Tarantino" himself with the extreme violence in the last act. Seemed almost formulaic. The Kill Bill Vol. 1 violence was over the top, but appropriate for the movie's style. Hateful 8 might be the most violent movie I have ever seen. I enjoyed the movie, but didn't feel it's QT's usual quality.
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Jan 11, 2016 18:57
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my only hangup with the movie is the flashback scene in the second half, it just feels like it slams too hard on the brakes to fill us in on something we could've figured out for ourselves (although i did like the Last House on the Left easter egg).
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Jan 11, 2016 19:03
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Coffee And Pie posted:I think it would be nice to see another modern gangster movie, but still set in the 90s. Nostalgia for that era is in at the moment and I would love to see Tarantino's take on it. Why would Tarantino do what's "in?" Besides, Tarantino was already making nineties nostalgia movies in the nineties. If anything he should make a movie set in the future or in space, that would certainly be a departure.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:09
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SciFiDownBeat posted:Why would Tarantino do what's "in?" Besides, Tarantino was already making nineties nostalgia movies in the nineties. If anything he should make a movie set in the future or in space, that would certainly be a departure. A hard sci-fi Tarantino movie would be amazing.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:11
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i think Tarantino likely got burnt out on gangster movies after seeing the truly endless legion of mediocre imitators he spawned. can't say i blame him. Martin McDonagh scratches the '90s Tarantino itch for me now though, he should make another movie.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:13
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JeffLeonard posted:This movie went off the charts with the ultra-violence and I felt it was very forced by QT. It think QT was trying too hard to "out-Tarantino" himself with the extreme violence in the last act. Seemed almost formulaic. The Kill Bill Vol. 1 violence was over the top, but appropriate for the movie's style. Hateful 8 might be the most violent movie I have ever seen. Hateful Eight's violence all comes down to how brutal the shootings feel, and they feel brutal. But the actions themselves weren't any more violent than, say, the Mandingo fight in Django or the end of the first act of Death Proof. It was an appropriate explosion after 2 hours of ratcheting up the tension. There are only three spectacularly violent moments that I can think of (Mexican Bob's head exploding, Channing Tatum's head exploding and the amount of blood gushing from Jackson's filthy old balls) and they all suited what they were going for. I'd love to see Tarantino return to present day for his next film though. It feels like a drat long time.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:19
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Steve2911 posted:Hateful Eight's violence all comes down to how brutal the shootings feel, and they feel brutal. But the actions themselves weren't any more violent than, say, the Mandingo fight in Django or the end of the first act of Death Proof. i think Kurt Russel's arm-severing followed by Jennifer Jason Leigh being shot and strangled to death while still attached to the severed arm qualifies. that was the chain of events that gave me major Evil Dead vibes (along with the use of the cellar door)
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Jan 11, 2016 19:22
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:my only hangup with the movie is the flashback scene in the second half, it just feels like it slams too hard on the brakes to fill us in on something we could've figured out for ourselves (although i did like the Last House on the Left easter egg). I really liked the flashback because it's this idyllic view of a civil America that's then rudely and violently interrupted by the truth. Everyone is so happy and smiling and welcoming in this aw shucks kind of way and then they're gunned down. Tarantino has always had a thing about people playing parts, but so much of this is about how you can't escape the truth, and, on a larger scale, how festering America is underneath. It's this really nihilistic message of laws might change, but people don't.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:22
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DrVenkman posted:I really liked the flashback because it's this idyllic view of a civil America that's then rudely and violently interrupted by the truth. Everyone is so happy and smiling and welcoming in this aw shucks kind of way and then they're gunned down. Tarantino has always had a thing about people playing parts, but so much of this is about how you can't escape the truth, and, on a larger scale, how festering America is underneath. It's this really nihilistic message of laws might change, but people don't. i mean that may work on a subtextual level but i think on an actual textual level it grinds the already deliberate pace down to a complete halt for like 20 minutes and kinda disrupts the rising tension that the second half has going for it.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:23
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:my only hangup with the movie is the flashback scene in the second half, it just feels like it slams too hard on the brakes to fill us in on something we could've figured out for ourselves (although i did like the Last House on the Left easter egg).
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Jan 11, 2016 19:28
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:i mean that may work on a subtextual level but i think on an actual textual level it grinds the already deliberate pace down to a complete halt for like 20 minutes and kinda disrupts the rising tension that the second half has going for it. To me it had the same effect as putting the intermission right after that scene. Taking you all the way to the edge of your seat, then pulling the seat out from under you and leaving you to breathe and think for a few minutes. It's a narrative tool that I always enjoy. You could say that showing the events of the scene wasn't totally necessary, but since when is anything in a Tarantino movie totally necessary? I liked having a bit of context for the place we'd spent the last few hours in, anyway. It's kind of a bummer that future releases of the film won't have the intermission. I can imagine not having it there would gently caress the pacing up somewhat. Plays are designed to have the audience get up and have a chat and a piss for a few minutes at a certain point, and this was a play in film form. I'd love if Tarantino made some sort of short interlude piece to go between the two halves for the Blu Ray release.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:29
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temple posted:I think flashback was unnecessary because when combined with the finale, it magnified the tone from dark to pitch black. It needed a wink or something. Tarantino really likes to punish his audience so I'm not really surprised. But I'd like to know if a film is torture porn before I'm 90 minutes in. Hateful Eight is significantly lighter on the torture porn than Django Unchained Steve2911 posted:It's kind of a bummer that future releases of the film won't have the intermission. I can imagine not having it there would gently caress the pacing up somewhat. Plays are designed to have the audience get up and have a chat and a piss for a few minutes at a certain point, and this was a play in film form. I'd love if Tarantino made some sort of short interlude piece to go between the two halves for the Blu Ray release. i'd be shocked if the roadshow cut isn't the primary version released on blu ray
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Hateful Eight is significantly lighter on the torture porn than Django Unchained
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temple posted:I think flashback was unnecessary because when combined with the finale, it magnified the tone from dark to pitch black. It needed a wink or something. Tarantino really likes to punish his audience so I'm not really surprised. But I'd like to know if a film is torture porn before I'm 90 minutes in. I honestly feel that was the wink. Yes, the murder of the family was brutal as hell but the point is, when we cut back to the present, we want to see the Domergue gang get punished. So when Channing Tatum gets his head blown up while he's giving up and Jackson gives a snarky remark, it's supposed to be (darkly) funny and cathartic because it is revenge for his friend Minnie. Same with the rest of the gang, if Marquis and Mannix were killing people just on speculation it would be darker than them gunning down a bunch of known murderers.
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zandert33 posted:Jackie Brown didn't have any over the top silliness.    It has less of it. The silliness it has is classic Tarantino style silliness and fits in entirely with his other films.
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