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Zoran posted:This is so ludicrous I almost want to see it happen. It turns out that the scene of Luke fighting the remote was clever foreshadowing, and the Resistance will triumph when they close the blast doors and use intuition to deflect the beams.
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Raxivace posted:I think this comes up a lot with the PT- people criticizing the films for what they aren't trying to do instead of for what they are trying to do. But a lot of theories about what Lucas was "trying to do" are just conjecture, aren't they? I might change my tune if someone dug up some quotes where he says "yeah, Anakin and Padme are supposed to sound really dorky" but until then, we can only rely on what the movies successfully conveyed to each of us. I'm not trying to stifle discussion with a "nobody can know for sure" argument; I just think if people are gonna simply say "obviously he was trying to do this, therefore it's not a flaw" there's a burden of proof. Otherwise it's just a personal interpretation -- which is fine. Also, I'm probably talking in circles at this point, but while I can admire what someone is "trying to do" on a certain level, how well they succeeded is ultimately all I care about while watching the movie. Or I guess you could say "Do or do not; there is no try." (Obviously, Yoda was lying and Luke's training pushed him towards the Dark Side, since only a Sith deals in absolutes)
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Sir Lemming posted:But a lot of theories about what Lucas was "trying to do" are just conjecture, aren't they? I might change my tune if someone dug up some quotes where he says "yeah, Anakin and Padme are supposed to sound really dorky" but until then, we can only rely on what the movies successfully conveyed to each of us. Someone else can dig up some of the more specific quotes from the cast and crew if they want, but if you look at the script for AotC, which can easily be found online, even in just the first scenes with Anakin on Coruscant it describes his interactions with Padme using words and phrases like "awkward", "shame", "embarrasses him", "trying to be smooth", and so on. So whether it worked for you or not, I absolutely think Anakin is supposed to be a socially awkward kid trying to express his feelings to someone he's had a crush on since he was nine, while being further inhibited in that endeavor by the fact that he's been raised by a bunch of monks who specifically try to control their feelings for the past ten years.
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This is gonna be the ending of the new Spaceballs, I can feel it. With alien Harry Carey on the call.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:It's not Battlestar Wars hell I'd watch Battlestar Galactiwars
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Cool video pointing out a lot of the mirroring going on between TFA and the three OT films (it's got a fair amount of pirated footage from TFA so we'll see how long it lasts on YouTube): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlHlqFNnhIE Seeing it all together like this, my conclusion is that some of it's pretty nice, and some of it's massive overkill. Mainly all the stuff having to do with Starkiller Base strikes me as overkill. And I actually like Starkiller Base as a concept--I just don't think they did it nearly enough justice. Death Stars are supposed to be big deals. They represent the metaphysical concept of death. So it's kind of weird how flippantly this one is treated. Obviously, Anakin did already conquer death in the last movie, but isn't TFA's whole thesis basically that we're back to square one, now? All the resolutions have been undone and all the old conflicts have been reset. There is no balance anymore. Death is a big scary deal again. But Starkiller Base is basically treated like a hammy joke, even though it just destroyed an entire star system and decimated the Republic which the heroes spent the last three movies struggling and suffering to rebuild.
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The problem with writing intentionally awkward dialogue is that when you're already an awkward person and you write, direct, and edit all of the dialogue scenes awkwardly, and then base half the movie around it is that it comes off as awkward and not fun to watch. Lucas really hosed up on making those scenes entertaining instead of excruciating.
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Phylodox posted:Your assertion is that the only truly ethical choice is to remain dedicated to a path of action, regardless of whether it benefits the actor or not? That the promise of reward automatically invalidates any ethical stand that actor might have had? Luke actively calls out to his father for help at the end of Return of the Jedi. If he wasn't hoping his father would save him, that Luke's faith in his father would be rewarded, then what was the point of that? The difference is between Luke's ethical act - throwing down the sword, abandoning his father and sister to the dark side - and what he is saying under coercion. When Luke is crying out under the torture, of course he would say almost anything. It's a similar sort of ethical regression: Luke 'talks big', but then goes crying to daddy. But we should avoid the temptation of cynicism here. What's important is not what Luke is saying to escape the torture, but the original choice - the choice to die for what he believes in. Another way of putting it: Luke is doing everything because he believes that "there is still good in [Vader]". that's another line to be read carefully. "The logic is here the same as that of Anne Frank who, in her diaries, expresses belief in the ultimate goodness of man in spite of the horrors accomplished by men against Jews in World War II: what renders such an assertion of belief sublime, is the very gap between it and the overwhelming factual evidence against it, i.e. the active will to disavow the actual state of things." -Zizek So, for what Luke is saying to be sublime, Anakin must be well and truly dead. If Luke used his psychic powers to determine that Anakin is actually just hiding somewhere, then it's just a factual statement, and you've eliminated authentic belief from the universe. Lucas made a point of this in the prequel films; these are Padme's last words before she kills herself through sheer force of will: Padme: Obiwan, there's good in him... I know, I know there is ... People of course got confused because 'a mother should want to take care of her children. Protecting your family is the highest good, right?' But Padme rejects those terms entirely and dies 'for no reason', except to raise a final middle finger to the Force. Both Padme and Luke are saying "gently caress this universe". Anakin did a similar thing, but what's uncanny with him is that something remained after his death. That's the origin of Darth Vader, the ethical subject.
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Just for the record, even if bad, Darth Vader in suit running around doing things in the PT would've made them a lot more enjoyable. http://azdailysun.com/george-and-darth-star-wars-mastermind-lucas-sets-stage-for/article_105570da-0fb1-5e6b-882b-7062a9f104a7.html quote:Two decades ago, George Lucas pulled off the mask to reveal the face of one of cinema's greatest bad guys. Now, he's about to slip the mask back on. Translation: George knew what the fans wanted, and said "nah".
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Padme has already been portrayed as very, very cool-headed, even cold-blooded by that point. She says that she is not afraid to die before she enters the execution arena in Attack of the Clones, and everything that she does from that point onward backs that up. She, rather than the leapy Jedi, gets on top of her column and fights off the nexu. The comparison of Padme firing her blaster with Rey doing the same is pointless -- they're different characters -- and Padme checks off droids like it's her job. She is much more like Leia in that regard than Rey is.
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Man I thought the buildup to Vader in Episode 3 was great. Like we all knew how it was gonna end up, but seeing Anakin get sliced up and burned really showed the extent of his injuries. And then the scene where the put him in the suit and you only really get to see him at the end, so good. They really set the stage for Episode 4, and the movies really felt like that was the natural ending.
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Disney could totally (and probably will totally) make that movie if they want now. I'm sure there's plenty of remaining Jedi to hunt down before episode IV, like hell, his own Padawan.
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Mr Super Mecha Godzilla sir, can I request an effort post about TFA and jackets? Jackets come up all the time, there's a planet literally called jacket, and I don't have the special brainpart to understand it.
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greatn posted:Disney could totally (and probably will totally) make that movie if they want now. I'm sure there's plenty of remaining Jedi to hunt down before episode IV, like hell, his own Padawan. No question. There's a 20 year period there that Disney will surely not allow to go to waste. A "young" Vader series would be a really good place to bring Ashoka into the mix too. Edit: Wow, I totally didn't even read to the end or your post and see that you also referenced Ashoka. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Mr Super Mecha Godzilla sir, can I request an effort post about TFA and jackets? A lot of people jacket to slave Leia.
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greatn posted:Disney could totally (and probably will totally) make that movie if they want now. I'm sure there's plenty of remaining Jedi to hunt down before episode IV, like hell, his own Padawan. Someone please get James Earl Jones in a recording studio to just record him pronouncing every word in the dictionary 8 different ways.
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Cnut the Great posted:Cool video pointing out a lot of the mirroring going on between TFA and the three OT films (it's got a fair amount of pirated footage from TFA so we'll see how long it lasts on YouTube): Skipping around through this, I don't think most of these shot comparisons work out, because they're mostly just copying the concepts and story beats rather than the shots themselves. However I do feel bad for anyone who watches new movies with these pirate rips jesus christ Message projection (hologram?) technology improved a lot in 30 years but nothing else apparently. Starkiller Base is just...the worst.
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Red posted:Just for the record, even if bad, Darth Vader in suit running around doing things in the PT would've made them a lot more enjoyable. Darth Vader still kills lots of people, it's just the vast majority of them were
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Red posted:Someone please get James Earl Jones in a recording studio to just record him pronouncing every word in the dictionary 8 different ways. I'm sure there are plenty of adequate impersonators out there that could pull it off.
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Basebf555 posted:I'm sure there are plenty of adequate impersonators out there that could pull it off. What the hell is this blasphemous post
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Basebf555 posted:I'm sure there are plenty of adequate impersonators out there that could pull it off. Everyone that's done it for video games/parodies/etc. is a really pale comparison. The guy who did the Chad Vader stuff way back when is held up as the gold standard, but he sounds way, way off to me. Like, far more off than JEJ did in his first Rebels appearance. e: pretty good comparison video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mv7hmnWkmo feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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feedmyleg posted:Everyone that's done it for video games/parodies/etc. is a really pale comparison. The guy who did the Chad Vader stuff way back when is held up as the gold standard, but he sounds way, way off to me. Like, far more off than JEJ did in his first Rebels appearance. Of those, the Galactic Battlegrounds guy sounded the best I think As silly as this might sound, I think the biggest difference between them all is the vocalizer effect--surely Disney could have some ridiculous sound nerds mimic that effect more perfectly if they were going to do a movie about the Jedi Purge
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Waffles Inc. posted:Of those, the Galactic Battlegrounds guy sounded the best I think What's Michael Winslow up to these days?
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SciFiDownBeat posted:it's okay, if anything happens to JEJ they can just grab Morgan Freeman "You either get' busy livin', or get busy maintainin' consciousness in the Force" edit: I'm torn between whether I want Leia to bust out a surprise lightsaber or not
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I think the biggest difference is the wide vocal range that JEJ uses in the performance. Everyone else seems so monotone compared to the wildly dynamic portrayal of Jones. Though yeah, the Galactic Battlegrounds dude is definitely the best impression on display there.
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SciFiDownBeat posted:it's okay, if anything happens to JEJ they can just grab Morgan Freeman I think I'd accept a 'Special Edition' of the OT if the only change to the theatrical version was adding a voiceover narration/internal dialogue of Vader using Morgan Freeman. "And that's when I knew: I'd rather die for my own flesh and blood son I never knew, instead of some wrinkly old electric politician in a blanket."
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Can I just say I'm delighted that Dave Franco is apparently on the short list for young Solo? Also, Solo apparently has a Rogue One cameo? How on Earth does that work, unless the theft of the plans is over a decade before ANH? I am not a fan of this idea.
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feedmyleg posted:Can I just say I'm delighted that Dave Franco is apparently on the short list for young Solo? A mo-cap CGI Han Solo is definitely a better idea. Star Wars fans are known for their keen appreciation of, and enthusiasm for, CGI.
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Ahmed Best as young Han Solo. It would piss off so many different groups of people.
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Cnut the Great posted:Cool video pointing out a lot of the mirroring going on between TFA and the three OT films (it's got a fair amount of pirated footage from TFA so we'll see how long it lasts on YouTube): I'm looking forward to more of these videos coming out, because you can already see how Abrams includes a lot of for-the-sake-of-it camera movement. It's especially prominent in the 'control room' planning scenes. The camera keeps panning around restlessly, instead of letting the hologram effect do the moving.
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Hulk Krogan posted:Ahmed Best as young Han Solo. It would piss off so many different groups of people. I'm not going to see Episode 8 unless Hayden Christensen or Ahmed Best are revealed to be Snoke.
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Red posted:"And that's when I knew: I'd rather die for my own flesh and blood son I never knew, instead of some wrinkly old electric politician in a blanket." "Next to the power of the Force, the Death Star is just a bullshit weapon. So go ahead and blow up your planets, sonny, because to tell you the truth, I don't give a poo poo."
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That old pirate that's Jack Sparrow's dad in the third POTC should also be Han Solo's dad.
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turtlecrunch posted:That old pirate that's Jack Sparrow's dad in the third POTC should also be Han Solo's dad. Keith Richards?
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Harrison Ford with an eyepatch should play Han Solo's dad. Or Sean Connery. Who I just had to look up whether or not he was dead.
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turtlecrunch posted:That old pirate that's Jack Sparrow's dad in the third POTC should also be Han Solo's dad. Heck, let's just have Snoke actually be the embodiment of the spirit of rock & roll.
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Hulk Krogan posted:Keith Richards? hell yeah
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