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odiv posted:Yeah, I'm wondering if people are spreading that Facebook post around a lot and scaring stores or if WOTC has been sending out messages about this and/or following up more on reports of proxies. I've heard from more than one store about this now. They're probably handling this on a per store basis because they know it would piss players off.
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Chill la Chill posted:My LGS just put up an announcement that due to the WOTC policy, they are no longer allowing proxies for their monthly legacy "duel for the duals" event. I won't be surprised to see a 20-40 person event trickle down to 6-8 people in 2 months when they cancel it for being unprofitable.
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I'm going to guess that my good friend who works there found it on Reddit or wherever and wanted to curb the potential problem before it became one. jassi007 posted:That is unfortunate. I wonder if this is a shift in policy, to actually enforce it or if this is a case of someone ratted on the store for some reason and WOTC felt they couldn't ignore it. This isn't a new rule, proxies have always been disallowed in sanctioned events.
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Jan 12, 2016 19:22
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Good news though all of this means more time for eurogames or x-wangs.
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Jan 12, 2016 19:23
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Boco_T posted:Is this Victory? That's pretty lame because the premise of that event was "give people a chance to win their way into a Legacy deck if they don't already have one." Yes. I wouldn't be surprised if Clark read about it. At least they're trying to put up a community pool for events. I'm guessing curio is going to reaffirm the no-proxy policy as well, even though their events were always sanctioned, no proxy affairs.
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Zoness posted:Good news though all of this means more time for eurogames or x-wangs.  I wouldn't mind more eurogame and wang tournaments myself.
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Zoness posted:Good news though all of this means more time for eurogames or x-wangs. More stores in my area are steadily picking up Force of Will, so I'm pretty okay with all of this.
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Jan 12, 2016 19:25
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Force of Will is the blatant MTG rip-off with terrible anime art, right?
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Jan 12, 2016 19:41
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Chill la Chill posted:I'm going to guess that my good friend who works there found it on Reddit or wherever and wanted to curb the potential problem before it became one. If you're using WER you're reporting the events to WOTC. Just run them in non-WOTC software and there should be no issue. They can't very well sanction you for events that they don't know exist.
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Jan 12, 2016 19:41
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jassi007 posted:If you're using WER you're reporting the events to WOTC. Just run them in non-WOTC software and there should be no issue. They can't very well sanction you for events that they don't know exist. Except Wizards is most likely finding out from other stores reporting it.
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jassi007 posted:If you're using WER you're reporting the events to WOTC. Just run them in non-WOTC software and there should be no issue. They can't very well sanction you for events that they don't know exist. Sure, but if some player gets salty and decides to snitch, then you will get in pretty serious trouble tbh
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Like I said IDK what they did. Some people might complain if they didn't run it through WER cuz they care about precious planes walker points lol. Entropic posted:Force of Will is the blatant MTG rip-off with terrible anime art, right?
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Oh god I actually just looked up Force of Will and it's worse than I remembered. For all that we bitch and moan about bland CG art in new sets, no other game looks as good as Magic.
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odiv posted:Yeah, I'm wondering if people are spreading that Facebook post around a lot and scaring stores or if WOTC has been sending out messages about this and/or following up more on reports of proxies. I texted my local LGS owner about it as soon as I heard, not that it impacts much since his store just does draft standard and modern
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Entropic posted:Force of Will is the blatant MTG rip-off with terrible anime art, right? Yes.
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Entropic posted:Oh god I actually just looked up Force of Will and it's worse than I remembered. Yeah it's horrendous and I cringe every time someone mentions it in here, this, the Magic: the Gathering, thread.
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Entropic posted:Oh god I actually just looked up Force of Will and it's worse than I remembered. FFG does a pretty good job with most of their LCGs 
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Is this actually a policy change? Have they ever allowed proxies?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Is this actually a policy change? Have they ever allowed proxies? I think the difference is they are now trying to muscle in on non-sanctioned events. It'd be like WOTC telling Timmy he isn't allowed to let Johnny take back blocks at the kitchen table.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Is this actually a policy change? Have they ever allowed proxies? Supposedly its in their partnership agreement and always has been. The only thing is new is that they want it clarify that this goes for things outside of WER when a LGS is involved.
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Entropic posted:Force of Will is the blatant MTG rip-off with terrible anime art, right? Yeah, but at this point it's a lot faster paced and more interesting if only because it's Magic but not made by Wizards. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Magic, but it's a fresher and more affordable spin at the moment. Irony Be My Shield posted:Is this actually a policy change? Have they ever allowed proxies? It's been a legally gray area that Wizards could technically say no to but have not bothered too much with.
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Sounds to me like they've turned a blind eye towards it in the past but are now cracking down on it. It's a shame, some of the best times I've had with Magic were the Modern proxy tournaments my old LGS would run. Free entry and winner gets a box, and the place would be understandably packed. A lot of people wouldn't even have proxies or would only have a few, it was just a way to help get more people (and kids especially) interested in the format. E: beaten twice but the point still stands.
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seems to me that the problem of "yeah nobody plays standard" at a store, combined with the most popular events being proxy-fied legacy events, would sorta kinda have some sort of symbiotic relationship on both the movement of product (something WOTC wants) and the lack of WOTC making a single dime on both proxies and the secondary market. If your store doesn't want to sanction Standard events with enough frequency to move a decent amount of product, why would they want to support you running mostly events that make WOTC zero dollars?
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Telex posted:seems to me that the problem of "yeah nobody plays standard" at a store, combined with the most popular events being proxy-fied legacy events, would sorta kinda have some sort of symbiotic relationship on both the movement of product (something WOTC wants) and the lack of WOTC making a single dime on both proxies and the secondary market. There isn't a store anywhere that doesn't want to run more standard events to move product. I believe the problem is that nobody wants to attend standard events.
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Telex posted:seems to me that the problem of "yeah nobody plays standard" at a store, combined with the most popular events being proxy-fied legacy events, would sorta kinda have some sort of symbiotic relationship on both the movement of product (something WOTC wants) and the lack of WOTC making a single dime on both proxies and the secondary market. If only wotc could monetize an interest in older cards and sets..
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rabidsquid posted:If only wotc could monetize an interest in older cards and sets.. WOTC is this strange business that doesn't want to sell products their customer base want to buy. Its loving bizarre.
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Ramos posted:Yeah, but at this point it's a lot faster paced and more interesting if only because it's Magic but not made by Wizards. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Magic, but it's a fresher and more affordable spin at the moment.  The visual style is just too much of a dealbreaker for me.
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Sickening posted:There isn't a store anywhere that doesn't want to run more standard events to move product. I believe the problem is that nobody wants to attend standard events. chicken and egg isn't it? Why aren't people playing in the standard events?
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Telex posted:seems to me that the problem of "yeah nobody plays standard" at a store, combined with the most popular events being proxy-fied legacy events, would sorta kinda have some sort of symbiotic relationship on both the movement of product (something WOTC wants) and the lack of WOTC making a single dime on both proxies and the secondary market. The WPN already has scaling benefits for running sanctioned events. Stores only get as much support as whatever sanctioned events they run qualify them for, they're not getting something for nothing here. If a store is running mostly unsanctioned events, their WPN level will be lower and they get less support, which is specifically how the system is designed to work. Also banning proxies in stores in hopes of bringing more people into Standard seems like a rather farfetched scheme.
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Telex posted:chicken and egg isn't it? Its not chicken and the egg. Standard being unpopular because its bad right now and oath doesn't give it a lot of promise to shake things up. I am hope I am wrong about oath.
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Sickening posted:Its not chicken and the egg. Standard being unpopular because its bad right now and oath doesn't give it a lot of promise to shake things up. I am hope I am wrong about oath. Standard needs Khans to rotate out so badly.
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Oath has a tonne of really strong cards in a color that doesn't even really exist yet
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This is actually the worst thing wotc has done: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/daily-magic-update/jan-12-2016-update-2016-01-12 quote:COMMUNITY SPOTLIGHT 
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Telex posted:chicken and egg isn't it? The fetches/bofas mana base is expensive but nothing else really compares since there's nothing to punish greedy mana. Siege Rhino has been a big deal since its printing and nothing in OGW is gonna stop that, and it came immediately after Supreme Verdict/Sphinx's Rev/Detention Sphere punched standard for their tenure.
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I'm pretty sure if WOTC cared about proxy events as much as people are assuming wed be reading something really dumb on the mothership about how proxies are like murder, not an email between a rep and an LGS.
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Telex posted:chicken and egg isn't it? A mix of things really. 1. Competitive standard is ridiculously expensive and a lot of your LGS players are going to be competitive. 2. Modern is surprisingly cheaper(ish) at the moment and arguably more rewarding to play. 3. But that may not last long because mtgfinance. 4. Standard is arguably boring. Maybe not any more or less than any other given standard, but we've been in midrange land for a while now. Entropic posted:
It's a matter of taste I suppose. The best of all worlds would have people with distinctive styles like Rebecca Guay illustrating everything. As is, I'll take something colorful over: 
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There are actually a lot of reasons Standard could be unpopular, because there are so many things about it that are different from the eternal formats. The new current game design of Standard, the new block format, the prices of Standard staples. It likely all adds up. I think the big one is the design philosophy change, but I am biased since its why I haven't cared for Standard for years but still really like Vintage and Legacy, and even Modern to a lesser extent.
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wotc? More like wot¢
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Ramos posted:It's a matter of taste I suppose. The best of all worlds would have people with distinctive styles like Rebecca Guay illustrating everything. As is, I'll take something colorful over: The real question is when is fow going to have megucas
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Ciprian Maricon posted:I'm pretty sure if WOTC cared about proxy events as much as people are assuming wed be reading something really dumb on the mothership about how proxies are like murder, not an email between a rep and an LGS. They wouldn't bother pissing everyone off when they can just quietly lean on people who need wotc so they can make a living
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