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rujasu posted:For me he would always close the cape while my mage was half-way through chanting a Waterja, which is fun because you waste an ability charge and heal him. Gotta love him keeping his cape closed, opening it, and then closing it again one turn later while you have a bunch of ice spells cued up. Joy. I forgot that thief attacks worked on him for that fight, by the way. 
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Augus posted:Gotta love him keeping his cape closed, opening it, and then closing it again one turn later while you have a bunch of ice spells cued up. Joy. I forgot that thief attacks worked on him for that fight, by the way. Thief abilities only work on the Ultimate fight, which is a much more predictable fight. And yes, he's totally obnoxious in the non-Ult fight, and you have to get extremely lucky for him NOT to be a dick. From the AI reddit post: quote:While in Normal Form, Rubicante will shift to Cloaked Form immediately after using either version of Inferno. So every turn he's uncloaked he has a 70% chance of going cloaked immediately on his next turn. Once he's cloaked, he's only got ~30% chance to uncloak every turn.
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IcePhoenix posted:Also I have no idea what you're talking about wrt Yunalesca, that fight was a joke no matter how you did it. I spent about two and a half hours on Yunalesca. If you don't do Advantaliate it is not a joke in any way, shape, or form. 50% AOE Osmose means you deal no damage in the second half of the fight and oh oops AOE Holy (because you have no abilities so are taking forever) means you just lost mastery.
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Jan 12, 2016 21:32
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Samba De Amigo posted:Oh oops right, I was stupid; he only has spellblades. All Thief and Samurai characters will have access to Samurai + Thief skills once we get the core augmentation system. 
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Zurai posted:I spent about two and a half hours on Yunalesca. If you don't do Advantaliate it is not a joke in any way, shape, or form. 50% AOE Osmose means you deal no damage in the second half of the fight and oh oops AOE Holy (because you have no abilities so are taking forever) means you just lost mastery. I did it without retaliate and beat the tar out of her, sounds like you just need to git gud 
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Beat Ultimate Rubicante by going with a mage setup. Fortunately, FF4 is the realm where I have the most synergy mage weapons and the best RES gear (I've pulled a bunch of the 4* robes), so this sort of fight is right up my alley. Still had to S/L once because I let SG fall just after Rubicante shifted to weak mode and didn't notice until after I had queued up everyone's attacks. That gave him enough time to kill someone with 1500 damage infernos. Second attempt went smoothly, though.Zurai posted:I spent about two and a half hours on Yunalesca. If you don't do Advantaliate it is not a joke in any way, shape, or form. 50% AOE Osmose means you deal no damage in the second half of the fight and oh oops AOE Holy (because you have no abilities so are taking forever) means you just lost mastery. I beat her on my first try without Advantaliate, but I made sure to only bring abilities with 8+ uses and still had been drained almost completely dry by the time she died. And it's not like she was spamming Osmose as much as she could have.
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I retaliate everything and I will until they pry it from my cold dead hands.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:I retaliate everything and I will until they pry it from my cold dead hands. This, unless the RNG is generous to me with BSSBs and such so that I can Lifesiphon murder things forever.
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My only ssb is rinoa's, which while powerful I don't think she can use lifesiphon.
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It must be nice to have good SBs, my "best" is Angel Wing Quake which is a crappy element and is a very meh damage 2-hit. It's literally my only damaging unique SB.  Here's hoping I have luck with my future 11 pulls on Yuffie banner.
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By the way, I never thought the day would come in which my 5 20/20 Black Cowl++'s were actually helpful at all... but here we are. 136 RES is pretty good. That being said I'm only using three of them since I have a Black Robe as well, and I need more ATK on my retaliator lol. Planning this team out is driving me crazy.
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Schwartzcough posted:Thief abilities only work on the Ultimate fight, which is a much more predictable fight. And yes, he's totally obnoxious in the non-Ult fight, and you have to get extremely lucky for him NOT to be a dick. From the AI reddit post: Yeah, I'm not gonna bother boing back and mastering that. gently caress it. Pretty weird that the "easy" fight has more or less the all-around more bullshit pattern while the Ultimate fight is more predictable, but has bigger numbers.
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Finally mastered Rubicante. Does silly damage through SG/Boon/FB/MB/Lulu's Focus. Having no natural wall makes Ultimate fights really challenging.
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I think I'll spend some of my time grinding Black Power. What's the drop rate on them GPOs and GBOs?
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So this is what I'm looking at right now for going into Rubicante:  Amigo/Tyro : Steal Power R3 / Tempo Flurry R5 Pencil : Double Cut R4 / Shellga R2 Cloud : Blizzara Strike R4 / Retaliate R5 Celes : Watera Strike R4 / Haste R3 Y'shtola : Renewing Cure R4 / Magic Breakdown R4 Y'shtola has access to the Healing Wand's AoE heal SB and Stoneskin. Unfortunately I don't have Double Hit or Dragoon's Determination yet, so I'm working with these Record Materia most likely. My Full Break is only R1, so I don't think it's worth it so I'm putting Tempo Flurry on Tyro instead. I haven't gotten all the growth eggs from the event yet, so I might slap those on Celes to bulk her up a bit. Pencil and Tyro will probably be fine. I don't have the spells for mage meta so Advantaliate is still my best bet. Really hoping I can make it with this. Samba De Amigo fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Samba De Amigo posted:So this is what I'm looking at right now for going into Rubicante: Don't make the same mistake I did- give Magic Breakdown to someone else. Y'shtola will be too busy healing to use it, which will make things way too hectic. Vaan or Faris with Steal Power + Magic Breakdown is a good choice (unless you need Tyro for Sentinel Grimoire). Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Schwartzcough posted:Don't make the same mistake I did- give Magic Breakdown to someone else. Y'shtola will be too busy healing to use it, which will make things way too hectic. Vaan or Faris with Steal Power + Magic Breakdown is a good choice (unless you need Tyro for Sentinel Grimoire). Actually I think maybe Zidane can do it? He's not ideal, but he is level 65 at least. Let me check. Also I fixed the images for realm synergy.
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Samba De Amigo posted:I totally, would but Butz is my closest choice and he's only level 50 unfortunately. I can try to power grind him in the next few days but I'm not sure it's worth it. Butz can't use Breakdowns anyway. Who do you have leveled with 4* Support or higher? There's gotta be another setup you can work out. Edit: what am I saying, just give Magic Breakdown to Tyro. It's more valuable than another double cut, believe me.
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Schwartzcough posted:Butz can't use Breakdowns anyway. Who do you have leveled with 4* Support or higher? There's gotta be another setup you can work out. Damnit Zidane why are you Support 3 Samba De Amigo fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Schwartzcough posted:Edit: what am I saying, just give Magic Breakdown to Tyro. It's more valuable than another double cut, believe me. Should I throw a boost on Y'shtola then since she won't have the time to be swinging, or should I grind a memento up and switch renewing to curaja?
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My FF4 synergy is mighty but I'm having a hell of a time with Ultimate Rubicante. He's a jerk that likes to spam Blaze over and over and OVER!
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Samba De Amigo posted:Should I throw a boost on Y'shtola then since she won't have the time to be swinging, or should I grind a memento up and switch renewing to curaja? Renewing Cure lasts a long time and starts with 4 casts, so R1 should be plenty. Yeah, I'd give her Curaga or Curaja and renewing cure. With Magic Breakdown and regen, she might actually have time to throw an extra attack at Cloud every now and then. Alternately: 1. if you have a second Double Cut, give it to Celes, give haste to Cecil, and Shellga to Y'shtola. 2. Switch Cecil for Selphie, who can cast Shellga/haste and use Tempo Flurry, and give double cut to Celes. Selphie could also hold the healing rod, so Y'shtola can keep her SB charges for stoneskin. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Samba De Amigo posted:Should I throw a boost on Y'shtola then since she won't have the time to be swinging, or should I grind a memento up and switch renewing to curaja? R1 Memento of Prayer + a healing spell is a pretty good combo for Y'shtola. She won't be doing any damage, but she should be able to keep your party healed up as long as your hones last.
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Schwartzcough posted:Renewing Cure lasts a long time and starts with 4 casts, so R1 should be plenty. Yeah, I'd give her Curaga or Curaja and renewing cure. With Magic Breakdown and regen, she might actually have time to throw an extra attack at Cloud every now and then. Alternately: Actually good point, I'm sitting on some extra lesser powers so I can make another double to R3. Selphie is another low level for me unfortunately so that's no go. New loadout:   I appreciate the input, assuming that 8 charges of renewing cure plus the AoE heal SB is enough with Celes SB, SS, Shellga, and Magic BD I think I might be okay after some heavy S/Ling. Now I just gotta level up Celes a butt-load. Samba De Amigo fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Wow, that boss rush was way more manageable than I expected. Mastered it on my first go with poo poo FF4 synergy and Edge using Steal HP and Steal Time for some reason.
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Rubicante is ridiculous. I won't begrudge anyone that doesn't have a way to get both a wall and a hastega up if they resort to retaliate. (still mastered it with a normal party because I have ss2)
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I somehow mastered Rubicante without bringing either my own hastega OR retaliate. A wall RW + Yuna's Hymn of the Fayth is just enough to get the job done in a 3-black mage setup, as long as you have the hones.
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Fang tomorrow! I'm ready to not pull the Peacemaker. (but if I even get one FF13 melee thing I'll be happy, game. take pity on me your lowly servant)
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Schwartzcough posted:Geryon is supposed to have a 10% chance to use Gas after the first round, but I swear that's almost all he did the entire freakin' battle. One Maelstrom and one Inferno, and otherwise just Gas Gas Gas Gas. Dickbreath. Can you share your setup, I got wrecked with both a mage/mitigation setup and an attempt at advantaliating.
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kalensc posted:Can you share your setup, I got wrecked with both a mage/mitigation setup and an attempt at advantaliating. For Rubicante? I ran a hybrid: Tyro, carrying Magic Breakdown and Full Break, with SG and Mako Might Lenna, carrying Diaga and Curaga, with her AoE heal/regen SB and Dr. Mog - any white Mage with a Medica works here Bartz, carrying Blizzaga Strike and Steal Defense Edge, carrying Dismissal and Steal Power (this wasn't a great idea, TBQH but I brute forced it - I did get a lucky dismissal proc or two on my kill) Krile, carrying Waterja and Blizzaga Boon RW Strongest weapons were a Dancing Dagger++ and a Lamia Rod++; I have terrible weapon synergy in FF4 (I do have above average armor - everybody was wearing a piece with over 150 Res on it, which helped) The main thing is having both a wall and shellga, and access to an AoE heal and strong regen to keep HP stable. Beyond that, it's a bit of luck, counting turns to land a steal as soon as the cloak goes up, and pounding weaknesses. The offensive strategy you use matters much less.
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kalensc posted:Can you share your setup, I got wrecked with both a mage/mitigation setup and an attempt at advantaliating. Sure, but at this point I'm playing to the relics I've drawn (namely Lulu's Hairpin for AoE +20% Mag and +50% Res, and Y'shotla's SSII) so my strategy might not be universally helpful. On the other hand, I screwed up and never got to use Magic Breakdown, so this improved setup might work:  Vaan has Dragoon's Determination Rydia has Witch of Succession Tellah has Vow of Vengeance Lulu has Dr. Mog Y'shtola has Mako Might Originally I brought Butz with Steal Power and Blizzara Strike, using a 3*++ Icebrand Sword and Attunement II, I think, so that might've help me kill him a bit faster, but I came close to having people die a lot. Y'shtola has Magic Breakdown but never used it. Diaga is just a 'whatever' spell here. The AoE regen white magic could work, allowing you to slot something else instead of Kirin. Still, like I said I was getting by with SSII, Boon, and Focus alone for mitigation. If you don't have Lulu's Focus, you could probably just use Celes' default SB instead. Combined with Magic Breakdown, you might be able to get by without a Wall relic. Also, I brought more magic than I needed. So theoretically you could bring Tyro or Faris with Steal and Full Break, and Terra with a spell and Magic Breakdown to further reduce magic damage. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Samba De Amigo posted:
Vaan can use Breakdowns. Sadly Zidane is pretty much outclassed by Vaan until we get Machinist. In fact Vaan trumps a lot of characters simply by virtue of his equipment and ability access. And I guess if we're posting Rubicante teams: Vivi L60, R2 Waterja/R3 Waterga, Attunement II Tellah L51, R2 Shellga/R4 Blizzaga, Devotion Red XIII L54, R3 Magic Breakdown/R2 Full Break, Dr Mog Balthier L50, R2 Steal Power/R4 Blizzara Strike, Freedom's Wish Mog L51, R5 Curaga/R3 Diaga, Ace Striker Sentinel's Grimoire RW Red had Lunatic High and Mog had Heroic Harmony. ApplesandOranges fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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gently caress, another 11 pull that got me almost nothing. Dark Glove (IV) and some combining fodder. I guess Cyan can make due with the Cat Claw (II) for a while longer.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Vaan can use Breakdowns. Yea he's on my "I really need to level him" list. There's a few others on there, but I have the Zwill Crossblade and having a source of Sap like that is really good, not to mention him being so much better than other supports in most ways. I use Wakka mostly right now just because I have his Official Ball and he has an MC2.
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Anyone have experience with the prima strategy guide for FF13?
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So Shantotto has Black Magic 5.... and Monk 4? Her magic stat is very high, but her hp and attack are very low, so it is a weird combo. Also being a story character means she has no MC currently.
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Mastered Geryon. It really just came down to restarting until I got lucky enough to land Slow and Sap twice each without anything horrible happening in the meantime. Sap drains his health down at a ridiculous rate, which is great because otherwise he's a huge tank that's like impossible to whittle down reasonably.
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KnoxZone posted:So Shantotto has Black Magic 5.... and Monk 4? Her magic stat is very high, but her hp and attack are very low, so it is a weird combo. Also being a story character means she has no MC currently. I'm assuming Monk 4 is in reference to her EX Burst in Dissidia. And she's notable in that she's the first mage to usurp Vivi in terms of MAG. All she needs are MCs now I guess.
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