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This whole thing makes me want to buy a bunch of blue core Chinese proxies indistinguishable from real cards to play with.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:This whole thing makes me want to buy a bunch of blue core Chinese proxies indistinguishable from real cards to play with. Exactly this
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Jan 13, 2016 20:03
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Angry Grimace posted:My assumption was that they were saying "don't use WER for proxy poo poo" and it sounds like that's what they meant. this makes it sound cool, don't tease me like that
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Jan 13, 2016 20:06
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PleasantDirge posted:Don't be obtuse, he spelled it out: don't use the event reporter and you are g2g. They openly admit to not wanting to try to police casual play so don't be a neck beard plz & ty the statement zoness quoted literally says "the store has zero involvement (including no use of Event Reporter)" (emphasis mine) so that implies that there are other things that you could get nailed for as 'involvement.' what about putting it on the store calendar? verbally promoting it to your customers? "donating" store credit as a prize for the players' tournament? I'm not going to say I'm never obtuse or a neckbeard but you are straight up misrepresenting the announcement zoness quoted. I mean, obviously a store can err on the side of not interacting with the player-run tournaments in any way whatsoever, but that leaves with the fact of it having a huge chilling effect on the ability of proxy tournaments to exist, which is what we were (rightfully) pissed off about at first, even before the apparent potential slide into the hilarity of Wizards banning people for sharpie jobs. JerryLee fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Jan 13, 2016 20:07
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All I'm saying is where's the plot point where Time God Tazri shows up from another dimension and wreaks havoc? All I'm asking for is a Time Spiral 2 here ok.
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Jan 13, 2016 20:08
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mandatory lesbian posted:this makes it sound cool, don't tease me like that It was legit Not Bad and Kinda Interesting
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Jan 13, 2016 20:11
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Errant Gin Monks posted:This whole thing makes me want to buy a bunch of blue core Chinese proxies indistinguishable from real cards to play with. I actually bought some of these 2 months ago based off an MTGLion video. The Chinese fakes are two things: Hilariously bad or perfect. Some cards are brighter on the back and feel like poo poo and some others you can't tell it's a fake.
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Jan 13, 2016 20:16
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JerryLee posted:the statement zoness literally says "the store has zero involvement (including no use of Event Reporter)" (emphasis mine) so that implies that there are other things that you could get nailed for as 'involvement.' what about putting it on the store calendar? verbally promoting it to your customers? "donating" store credit as a prize for the players' tournament? Wizards is just trying to create a dynamic life-format where player choices are more meaningful. They are subtly encouraging Magic players to do what they do best: liberally interpret vague rules to come to conclusions that benefit them personally. Wizards said "Cast Meddling Mage, naming 'Tournaments That Allow Proxies'" to which the astute Magic community can and will respond "OK then I cast 'Player-Organized Tournaments That Allow Proxies'"
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Jan 13, 2016 20:17
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stinkles1112 posted:Wizards is just trying to create a dynamic life-format where player choices are more meaningful. They are subtly encouraging Magic players to do what they do best: liberally interpret vague rules to come to conclusions that benefit them personally. Wizards said "Cast Meddling Mage, naming 'Tournaments That Allow Proxies'" to which the astute Magic community can and will respond "OK then I cast 'Player-Organized Tournaments That Allow Proxies'" Actually I think you'll find that you never announced the "allow proxies" trigger when it went on the stack 
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Jan 13, 2016 20:19
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JerryLee posted:Actually I think you'll find that you never announced the "allow proxies" trigger when it went on the stack It's not a "may" ability, scrub
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Jan 13, 2016 20:21
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JerryLee posted:Actually I think you'll find that you never announced the "allow proxies" trigger when it went on the stack That's a SBE not a trigger.
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Jan 13, 2016 20:25
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Wizards really ought to start to Stifle triggered players.
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Jan 13, 2016 20:26
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Zoness posted:That's a SBE not a trigger. Damage doesn't destroy fun, SBE do.
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Jan 13, 2016 20:27
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My enjoyment of the Official Magic Fiction was improved by the fact that I mentally replace the word flicker with fucker in all Magic-related contexts
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Jan 13, 2016 20:31
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Ramos posted:Wizards really ought to start to Stifle triggered players. They'll probably try to play needle instead but accidentally name another demographic
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Jan 13, 2016 20:33
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:I actually bought some of these 2 months ago based off an MTGLion video. The Chinese fakes are two things: Hilariously bad or perfect. Some cards are brighter on the back and feel like poo poo and some others you can't tell it's a fake. My best friend is super into fakes mostly from trying to figure out if cards are fake for trading purposes. The ones I have seen are crazy. Inside a sleeve I just can't see how people could be able to tell unless they knew the card was fake ahead of time. I have spent the afternoon looking up fakes for purchase. Its amazing how many many websites sell them and the options. The prices on the good fakes is higher than what I thought they would be, but it still seems to be about 4 bucks a card. I am about this close to buying a full legacy and modern set of everything I don't have.
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Jan 13, 2016 20:45
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Zoness posted:I am upset and relieved that this didn't turn into the plot of my favorite anime that involves someone being a god of time and space. "Gideon died."
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Jan 13, 2016 20:46
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Errant Gin Monks posted:This whole thing makes me want to buy a bunch of blue core Chinese proxies indistinguishable from real cards to play with. I just need some high quality foil proxies for my EDH deck. There's cards that have never been in foil, and I'd love to see them done up on a modern frame..
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Jan 13, 2016 20:54
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Kilo147 posted:I just need some high quality foil proxies for my EDH deck. There's cards that have never been in foil, and I'd love to see them done up on a modern frame..
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Jan 13, 2016 21:00
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Yawgmoth posted:If Chinese proxies can give me new cards with the original borders then I know where my next paycheck is going! From what I can tell they will foil anything.
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Jan 13, 2016 21:01
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Ten of the twelve DCI bans given around the Kozilek leak effectively removed. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/learning-opportunities-2016-01-13 quote:First, the news: today, the Wizards investigative committee commuted the suspensions of ten Magic players involved in a private online group that had access to Kozilek, the Great Distortion and Wastes before they were officially revealed. The original suspensions issued by the committee were for three months, which was based on evidence of repeated unauthorized access to confidential information over multiple sets (which would normally warrant a suspension longer than three months), balanced by the positive impact these individuals have had in their communities.
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Jan 13, 2016 21:15
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That statement may as well read "Banning those judges for something we didn't really check out fully was a PR nightmare so we're doing our best to backtrack."
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Jan 13, 2016 21:16
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I wonder how many people are running off to AliExpress and DHGate and buying up blue-core proxies now? There's got to be an uptick over the last few days.
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Jan 13, 2016 21:17
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Yup. It really seems that lately Wizards has been reacting in a really strong knee-jerk way. I wonder if they're being talked to by the presumably older-and-wiser heads at Hasbro.
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Jan 13, 2016 21:18
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Mikujin posted:That statement may as well read "Banning those judges for something we didn't really check out fully was a PR nightmare so we're doing our best to backtrack." i mean the alternative (at this point) was just letting the bans stay in place so i'm glad they lessened most of them personally now to wait until april so the same thing happens with SOI
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Jan 13, 2016 21:19
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Necronomicon posted:I wonder how many people are running off to AliExpress and DHGate and buying up blue-core proxies now? There's got to be an uptick over the last few days. That's what I said would happen. Not sure how much, but the only ones that seriously stand to profit are counterfeiters.
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Jan 13, 2016 21:20
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Mikujin posted:That statement may as well read "Banning those judges for something we didn't really check out fully was a PR nightmare so we're doing our best to backtrack." They did the right thing.
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Jan 13, 2016 21:20
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Boy it sure would have been a lot better if they had just released that article in the first place instead of the one by Patrick "Trick" "Forwarding a leak is exactly the same as theft" "Sharpies on cards are counterfeits" Jarret
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Jan 13, 2016 21:26
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"Additionally we are banning 2 stores for leaking our new policy on banning sharpied pieces of cardboard i mean proxies"
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Jan 13, 2016 21:29
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I'm buying the counterfeits, too. I'm going to mark the backs with black light bar entry stamps so they won't be traded off, and I'll eventually replace them with real copies, but gently caress it, I want to run junk in modern at FNM.
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Jan 13, 2016 21:47
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Jan 13, 2016 21:47
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"Yes after further investigation (cooling off from our tantrum) we shortened the suspensions to 23 days, a common suspension duration and they effectively have disappeared from their record. Good thing we have this appeals process. Also please appeal, other judges so that we may also 'shorten your suspensions'" lol WotC could have just issued a corporate apology like a normal company but nope I guess backtracking without admitting it is the better move
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Jan 13, 2016 21:48
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mcmagic posted:They did the right thing. No they didn't. The right thing is to fully investigate a matter before slamming down the hammer. They did the absolute wrong thing. Trying to undo the incredibly wrong thing you did doesn't somehow make it go away (although I bet they wish it would).
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Jan 13, 2016 21:51
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I'm gonna go ahead and not bash WoTC for doing the right thing given the circumstances, despite coming after them doing a litany of consecutive wrong things. edit: Mikujin posted:No they didn't. The right thing is to fully investigate a matter before slamming down the hammer. They did the absolute wrong thing. Trying to undo the incredibly wrong thing you did doesn't somehow make it go away (although I bet they wish it would).
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Jan 13, 2016 21:52
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Jan 13, 2016 21:55
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MiddleEastBeast posted:Unless wizards also invented time travel, I'm not sure how harping on this point is relevant though An apology would go a long way. By reducing the suspensions to basically just time already served, WotC is standing firm that they were 100% justified in their knee-jerk reactionary bans. The only reason they're even making a public showing of this is to try and earn back some favor from people who don't see that there's nothing apologetic about the should-be-an-apology announcement.
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Jan 13, 2016 21:59
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Reparations for next judge promo?
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Mikujin posted:An apology would go a long way. By reducing the suspensions to basically just time already served, WotC is standing firm that they were 100% justified in their knee-jerk reactionary bans. The only reason they're even making a public showing of this is to try and earn back some favor from people who don't see that there's nothing apologetic about the should-be-an-apology announcement. Even if it didn't come out with a full blown "We're really sorry for messing this up", the wording of the announcement makes clear that they've fully absorbed the need to very clearly communicate very clearly what the stance is around leaks and culpability (the details of which seemed very reasonable from this latest post). The fact that it took like 5 announcements to get it right is par for the course for Wizards, and I guess I'm giving them credit for getting it this right at all, given the low bar. Maybe I should be holding them to some absolute standards, but it's a company run by socially awkward nerds with no business sense catering to an audience of extremely sensitive socially awkward nerds, and I'm fine with this announcement.
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kizudarake posted:I'm buying the counterfeits, too. I'm going to mark the backs with black light bar entry stamps so they won't be traded off, and I'll eventually replace them with real copies, but gently caress it, I want to run junk in modern at FNM. I'm contemplating doing the same thing. The store I play at did proxies for modern, so I've got jund except for a few cards that I haven't dropped $600 on. No word on if they are stopping it yet but another store does regular modern that I won't be able to play it at if they do stop.
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WotC posted:I want to emphasize that we've never suspended a player who has proactively come forward to us with confidential information before it's leaked publically when they had no part in acquiring it.
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