AndyElusive posted:

I'm one of the few people who doesn't mind little Jake Lloyd in Phantom Menace. Of all the bad acting in that film his wasn't the most offensive. He was just a cute little kid given bad lines in a children's movie marketed towards adults.

It's kind of insane that after playing goddamn baby Darth Vader he goes and gets picked on at school. He should have been the coolest kid on the playground.

Neurolimal posted:

Jake was fine (as far as child actors went), he just had stupid lines.

Yippee!

greatn posted:

But what's stupid about that? Have you ever met a child? They do, in fact, shout yippee.

Cnut the Great posted:

Bu then a couple years later he posted this on his Facebook:

AndyElusive posted:

I'm one of the few people who doesn't mind little Jake Lloyd in Phantom Menace. Of all the bad acting in that film his wasn't the most offensive. He was just a cute little kid given bad lines in a children's movie marketed towards adults.

AndyElusive posted:

I'm one of the few people who doesn't mind little Jake Lloyd in Phantom Menace. Of all the bad acting in that film his wasn't the most offensive. He was just a cute little kid given bad lines in a children's movie marketed towards adults.

It's kind of insane that after playing goddamn baby Darth Vader he goes and gets picked on at school. He should have been the coolest kid on the playground.

greatn posted:

But what's stupid about that? Have you ever met a child? They do, in fact, shout yippee.

Neurolimal posted:

Jake was fine (as far as child actors went), he just had stupid lines.

Yippee!

greatn posted:

But what's stupid about that? Have you ever met a child? They do, in fact, shout yippee.

porfiria posted:

I'm not sure "mimesis" is a very strong defense when talking about Star Wars.

Filthy Casual posted:

Have you? They really don't, but maybe they used to back in the day. Its the type of thing a 60 year old man writes because he's forgotten what childish glee feels like.

RBA Starblade posted:

I really can't imagine making GBS threads on a little kid for doing a bad job in a bad movie. Like, I hate the prequels but jeez. A lot of it sounds like it was from people he went to school with too so that's even worse.

Red posted:

Why don't you go lurk in a McDonald's ballpit for a few hours, and tell us what you hear?

Neurolimal posted:

With the experience of a little sister, multiple young cousins and nephews, and friends' twerps, I feel like I can most definitely say that kid's dont say "yipee!", today or in the 90's.

I guess lurking in a ball pit gives a far different experience, I don't think i'm prepared to do that.

Neurolimal posted:

With the experience of a little sister, multiple young cousins and nephews, and friends' twerps, I feel like I can most definitely say that kid's dont say "yipee!", today or in the 90's.

I guess lurking in a ball pit gives a far different experience, I don't think i'm prepared to do that.

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find a speeder I really liked,
with an open cockpit... and with
the right speed capabilities...
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Cnut the Great posted:

piratepilates posted:

It doesn't matter if kids say it or not, it matters if it feels like that kid would say it. Anakin in TPM sucked the tension out of scenes through a combination of bad directing, editing, acting, and writing, not just one alone.

Nessus posted:

To be frank, hearing people talk, it wouldn't matter what he said - literally anything, including direct quotes from the Communist Manifesto to exhaustively realistic childlike dialogue apt for his grade and age level, would have been unrealistic poo poo tainted by the combination of bad this, bad that, and bad the other thing. Because the character in that film was a 9 year old child instead of a totally awesome badass, he was doomed. Fortunately, I am sure that going forward there need be no fear of such things occurring again.

piratepilates posted:

I think it could have worked out (well I'm sure weirdos would have hated it regardless of the execution) if it was better executed and the movie wasn't so drat goofy. He shouldn't have been played as a comic relief character. And that drat scene with the yipee should have been played as serious instead of the mishmash they had in the final cut. The OT movies were goofy and lighthearted but they knew when it was time to get serious and hold tension (I.e. almost every action scene).

Vintersorg posted:

"George, you can type this poo poo, but you can't say it!"
-Harrison Ford

Sir Lemming posted:

If y'all keep this up, Lucas is gonna make Vader yell "yippee" when he throws the emperor down the ball pit in the 4K release of ROTJ

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

And yet, that's exactly the case. Time and again, we're shown that people expected movie-logic - like the 'good guys' rewarding Shmii with a new house - and became frustrated when characters instead behaved as everyday idiots.

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Buying slaves to set them free

In paying for a person, the buyer is acting to keep a market system going. Paying
slaveholders increases the risk that more people will be trafficked. Outsiders should
not use this way of rescuing slaves.

Buying slaves in order to free them encourages trafficking.

Where corruption is common, families may feel that the only way to rescue a child is
to pay the slaveholder. A child’s parents should not be blamed for paying money.

They need understanding.

When officials accept slavery and fail to act against it, the tragic need for families to
buy back their own children is a result. Action is necessary to change the system
that traps people into slavery.

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Sudan's 18-year civil war between an Arab-dominated government in the north and the long-subjugated black African south has claimed two million lives and forced more than four million southern Sudanese from their homes. It has also perversely transformed many international efforts to provide humanitarian assistance into fuel for further fighting. The latest example is a global campaign to curtail one of the most pernicious symptoms of this intractable war -- slavery. The efforts of well-meaning foreigners to buy the freedom of captive southern Sudanese -- a practice known as slave redemption -- may be expanding the very market it seeks to eliminate.

Slave raids today are conducted almost entirely by government-backed armed militias in western Sudan. The raids are directed primarily at the civilian Dinka population. Khartoum's aim in arming the militias has been to wage proxy counterinsurgency war against the main rebel movement in southern Sudan, the predominantly Dinka Sudan People's Liberation Army.

The militias often operate with government troops and transport their captives on military trains. They raid Dinka villages, abducting mostly women and children for use as domestic slaves and concubines. Thousands have been seized and taken north, to be sold for as little as $15 apiece.

Since 1995, Christian groups in Europe and America have sought to assist the Dinka in redeeming their abducted children and female relatives. Dinka families have long been paying slavemasters and chiefs to secure the freedom of their relatives. Western groups led by Christian Solidarity International, based in Zurich, began building on this practice, sending representatives into southern Sudan to buy slaves in large numbers and set them free. In recent years, raising money for slave redemption has become the focus of well-intentioned efforts in many public schools, community groups and evangelical churches in the United States, Canada and Western Europe. Western Christian groups say they have freed thousands of slaves since 1995, paying an average of $50 per slave.

But slave redemption may be a textbook case of good intentions gone awry. The financial incentives of slave redemption in Sudan, one of the word's poorest nations, encourage the taking of slaves. Moreover, the knowledge that foreigners with deep pockets are willing to pay to redeem slaves reduces the incentive for owners to set them free without payment. The extent to which redemption has promoted slave-taking is difficult to document, but there is growing evidence of fraud in the redemption process, as unscrupulous chiefs, middlemen and rebel leaders alike ''borrow'' children who have never been abducted for the purpose of enlarging groups of slaves and increasing the proceeds from their redemption.

The persistence of slavery in Sudan is but one of many appalling crimes in a war that has escalated in the last year with the government's scorched-earth campaign to depopulate areas of southern Sudan surrounding oil production zones. Tens of thousands have been driven from their homes. Some three million southern Sudanese are at risk of starvation this year. Secretary of State Colin Powell recently told Congress there was ''perhaps no greater tragedy on the face of the earth'' than Sudan. Well-intentioned efforts to relieve the symptoms of that tragedy -- be it famine or slavery -- are bound to fail unless Washington is prepared to lead a concerted international campaign to end the war itself.

Sir Lemming posted:

If y'all keep this up, Lucas is gonna make Vader yell "yippee" when he throws the emperor down the pit in the 4K release of ROTJ

Nessus posted:

To be frank, hearing people talk, it wouldn't matter what he said - literally anything, including direct quotes from the Communist Manifesto to exhaustively realistic childlike dialogue apt for his grade and age level, would have been unrealistic poo poo tainted by the combination of bad this, bad that, and bad the other thing. Because the character in that film was a 9 year old child instead of a totally awesome badass, he was doomed.

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Fortunately, I am sure that going forward there need be no fear of such things occurring again.

Cnut the Great posted:

The thing is, the actions people seem to think Padme or the Jedi should have taken for Shmi are actually advised against in the real world as doing more harm than good.

Sir Lemming posted:

If y'all keep this up, Lucas is gonna make Vader yell "yippee" when he throws the emperor down the pit in the 4K release of ROTJ

Neurolimal posted:

It's a bit disingenuous to compare unrealistic advice (nobody in a situation where their beloved family member is being kept in slavery will go "I shan't free her peacefully and be about my way, for this shall perpetuate an economy built upon slavery of which I has never affected my life before today") from a group focused on combatting an illegal trade, to commentary on a universe where slavery is legal, the person affected is a war hero, and the world he helped rescue is super rich.

As an addendum, it's always felt like the jedi in TPM face an ultimatum WRT film readers; if they forcefully free the slaves then they are cemented as a theocratic strongarm police force that is left unsupervised and unregulated. If they dont free the slaves then they are uncaring monsters who tolerate awful measures to maintain their lifestyle. Thanks Obama.

Basebf555 posted:

I guess Ford doesn't realize his own value, such a huge part of what makes the dialogue in ANH work is that it was being said by the likes of Peter Cushing, James Earl Jones, Alec Guinness, and Ford.

The casting of Cushing is such a stroke of genius. His line delivery is right out of a Hammer Frankenstein film.

Effectronica posted:

Congratulations, you have identified a complex moral problem with no easy answers.