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Night10194 posted:The worst part is how rarely these people actually fire their goddamn guns, too. I hate this so much. Hey dudes, I've spotted 1/2 the enemy team can you please shoot them.
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I'm convinced a lot of my 65% winrate is that I used to main BBs before discovering CAs and I'd actually fire my guns, putting me immediately ahead of 90% of BB players.
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Jan 14, 2016 14:50
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What's worse is they just sit there and don't move! I'm not the best BB player by any stretch, but I actually move around, shoot stuff in range, avoid submarines, etc. If anything my problem is judging the flight time of shells and leading properly. But I'll be Dammed if I'm gonna just sit there and get torped, I don't want to make it easier for the opponent. And battleships in this game feel EASIER compared to WoWS .
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Jan 14, 2016 15:13
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They're much easier. If you get a good DD buddy for your BB you can kill pretty much anything. The best thing is enemy BBs who hold still yelling about 'Invisible Ships' when you have a DD spotting them, they can't see him, and you're raining poo poo on their heads without them being able to retaliate. Honestly having good DD support is one of the most important things in the game. Night10194 fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Jan 14, 2016 15:18
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We lost a string of bad games to lovely DDs yesterday, including a tier 7 who went out of his way to gently caress up a winnable game. These games make me start to think Eugenics isn't such a bad idea.
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Jan 14, 2016 15:46
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Any particular ships that are nice to play when elite? I figure most people focus on upgrades that lead to the next ship in the tree; I figure if you have the same ship with all the systems upgraded you'll be at an advantage vs most players of your tier, and you can level up crew faster. The flip side of it is that many of the upgrades offer a pretty small boost in performance; I dunno if going 1kt faster, shooting 5% further, etc is going to make a significant in game difference. I'm trying it out on my mahan. I'm hoping having better detection and radio range is worth it for a Destroyer trying to scout for battleships since even being able to spot them 1m further than they can spot you matters.
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Jan 14, 2016 16:37
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Fubuki is boat that seems to be loved by everyone who tried it and you can grab it rather early. It's good stock, but it certainly doesn't hurt to max it out and invest in some modules.
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Jan 14, 2016 16:41
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Panfilo posted:Any particular ships that are nice to play when elite? Of those ships, crew and upgrades feel like they benefit DDs (scouting range/camo) and BBs/CAs (that reload nazi captain lets you fire 2-3 shots in 15 seconds when activated) the most. Cruisers kind of feel like they got shafted in that regard, but then I'm still terrible at them so idk.
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Jan 14, 2016 17:35
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Mazz posted:We lost a string of bad games to lovely DDs yesterday, including a tier 7 who went out of his way to gently caress up a winnable game. As a DD captain it's pretty rage-inducing because you're spectating an idiot who will defy meeting the standards of a low bar. I blame Warships for idiot ninja DDs. 
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Jan 14, 2016 18:06
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The gun, radar and engine upgrades are actually really important on most ships because you are operating often like 25% or more under the ships potential. Add torpedoes to that list for DDs and in place of guns for subs. I'll usually use free XP to help w guns and radar because they make a big difference; case in point the Hatsuharu starts w/ 80 dmg guns, and upgrades to 140. 75% more damage per salvo. There's no real need to B line it to the next boat, especially not before tier V where it's only like an extra 2 games for most of the upgrades. If there is one thing I can get into goon heads is to not even think about torpedoes until a kill is basically guaranteed or you need to do something like force a boat to turn. Mazz fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Jan 14, 2016 18:17
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Firing a long-range spread of torpedoes into a swarm of battleships and then running away to hide and spot is a reasonable thing as a DD, because they tend not to think they're in trouble until you're close. I've gotten some crazy 'the sea is now torpedoes' walls off as the Bagley that way. Otherwise, torpedoes are area-denial or close-range killers, or a weapon of last resort if you have no other way to hurt a foe (DD or CL vs. BB) and absolutely need to engage it yourself. Generally, if you have buddies playing BB or CA, a DD is better off spotting a BB and getting it killed by artillery rather than engaging it; one of the biggest ways pubby DDs get wiped out is trying to directly engage BBs the second they see them and getting wasted by someone who knows how to shoot them at 2km (which is easy) or who is a handy shot on the secondaries.
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Jan 14, 2016 19:10
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Night10194 posted:Firing a long-range spread of torpedoes into a swarm of battleships and then running away to hide and spot is a reasonable thing as a DD, because they tend not to think they're in trouble until you're close. I've gotten some crazy 'the sea is now torpedoes' walls off as the Bagley that way. Otherwise, torpedoes are area-denial or close-range killers, or a weapon of last resort if you have no other way to hurt a foe (DD or CL vs. BB) and absolutely need to engage it yourself. Generally, if you have buddies playing BB or CA, a DD is better off spotting a BB and getting it killed by artillery rather than engaging it; one of the biggest ways pubby DDs get wiped out is trying to directly engage BBs the second they see them and getting wasted by someone who knows how to shoot them at 2km (which is easy) or who is a handy shot on the secondaries. I thought about adding the first part but I figured it'd get covered. Yes, torpedos are good at targets your guns cant really engage at the time, and the blob of BBs is a good target provided they are actually within the range circle on your minimap when you fire them. My rant is more that far too many pubbies and probably even some goons will sit there with the torpedos selected and waste like 15 seconds trying to line up this magical shot on a DD or CL 2.3km away, and in that time they could've probably just killed it with guns. When I see something like the Porter or Atlanta doing this I get pretty angry. If you're playing hard spotter then you really shouldn't be shooting anything at all, and moving as little as possible for the situation, so I kinda left that part out.
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Jan 14, 2016 19:13
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Also for God's sake don't fight CLs in DDs. You get the false impression early on with the lovely CLs like the Omaha and Pillau (lol Pillau) that this works. It does not. At T4 you start hitting Atlantas and they will loving vaporize you, it's their job and the big thing CLs stay good at.
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Jan 14, 2016 19:14
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So it works like this? DDs spot for BBs and CVs , and hunt subs trying to flank your own BBs and CVs CLs interdict DDs that are trying to scout or kill your subs CAs knock out CLs that are trying to kill your DDs BBs snipe other BBs and targets of opportunity at long range. CVs finish off crippled or distracted ships, scout and torpedo bomb enemy subs that are far away Subs flank enemy BBs and CVs Man it would be nice to see everyone put all that into practice lol.
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Jan 14, 2016 19:28
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In practice, everything except DDs kills the hell out of CLs. CLs are meant to be escorts, protecting the big ships from scouts, doing AA work, and fighting off subs. Just they're really easy to dunk on with a BB or CA, so... CAs are also really good at killing DDs. The high velocity, more accurate long-range artillery can hit them much easier and the faster reload lets them correct shots faster.
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Jan 14, 2016 19:35
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At tier 3 it's a bit of a crap shoot because a good player can kill pretty much anyone if played correctly. As you go up though that is mostly correct, except that good CVs can kill CLs and CAs really well too, CAs actually kill everything pretty well they just don't take hits, DDs can totally kill BBs if they have the smoke and/or good terrain, and really good subs can gently caress a team up because they can be an unkillable spotter. Mazz fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Jan 14, 2016 19:52
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Even the "good" pubbies (and probably most of us, including me) do really stupid poo poo with destroyer guns. Last night I had an otherwise competent Porter try to gun fight a CL instead of spotting it for our CA and BB, then whine all game because "you morons didnt shoot" (at the CL it only spotted for 20 seconds) while we won the match with a CA scouting for a 500 health Nagato proto. The very next game the same Porter was on the enemy team, and tried to gun fight my Kongo just within my main guns' minimum range instead of launching torpedoes or spotting for its full health Ise teammate. I sank it with 45 health left and won by cap while the Porter complained that I was "just making the game last as long as possible". 
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Jan 14, 2016 20:13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPhESXpSGlo
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Jan 14, 2016 23:17
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Are they fighting our botes. What is going on.
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Jan 14, 2016 23:21
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Night10194 posted:Are they fighting our botes. What is going on. yah
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Jan 14, 2016 23:24
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James Garfield posted:Even the "good" pubbies (and probably most of us, including me) do really stupid poo poo with destroyer guns. Today I got surprised by a Mahan while in my Bogue. He kept firing torps at a bad angle while I tried to move away from him. I threw dive bombers at him and eventually killed him with my piddly little gun the Bogue gets. He never fired once the whole time which was pretty  . perhaps he ran out of ammo?
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Jan 14, 2016 23:56
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Wow the Atlanta is light years better than the Omaha. Not only do you get a lot of guns, but it's quite accurate as well. Now with the upgraded ones they're even more effective. Looking forward to the Pensacola.
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Jan 15, 2016 00:05
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I'm switching to this. Do you get informed if you get banned? I've been getting kicked out of the game a lot lately but my internet is otherwise fine.
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Jan 15, 2016 00:07
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Panfilo posted:Wow the Atlanta is light years better than the Omaha. Not only do you get a lot of guns, but it's quite accurate as well. Now with the upgraded ones they're even more effective. The only thing to watch with the Atlanta is you have relatively light armor and a terrible range on the guns (3.2, while most CLs have 3.8-4.0). You'll be outranged (slightly) by IJN DDs, so be a little careful in a stern chase with them.
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Jan 15, 2016 00:09
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Night10194 posted:The only thing to watch with the Atlanta is you have relatively light armor and a terrible range on the guns (3.2, while most CLs have 3.8-4.0). You'll be outranged (slightly) by IJN DDs, so be a little careful in a stern chase with them. Yeah it's true that it's fragile. How about the Pepsicola? I've heard good things about it here.
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Jan 15, 2016 00:25
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Panfilo posted:Yeah it's true that it's fragile. How about the Pepsicola? I've heard good things about it here. It's like the same thing but bigger and you can shoot a lot farther. It doesn't wreck DDs at quite the same pace as a good Atlanta but its pretty close and it can also wreck BBs given a good spotter. Also, carry 100% AP ammo in the Atlanta and the Pensa, they both can run out in many games.
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Jan 15, 2016 00:27
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Mazz posted:It's like the same thing but bigger and you can shoot a lot farther. It doesn't wreck DDs at quite the same pace as a good Atlanta but its pretty close and it can also wreck BBs given a good spotter. I usually carry 3 volleys of HE to open up on DDs with at the start, myself. For the Pepsi; the Atlanta should use 100% AP.
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Jan 15, 2016 00:29
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Here is a bunch of images that contain information about this game. http://imgur.com/a/Mf0qp
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Jan 15, 2016 03:25
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Wow no wonder I thought my crew leveled so slow- they only get 20% exp unless the ship is elite.
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Jan 15, 2016 03:41
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Hay the Laforey is really good, if you feel like spending 15 bucks on this its well worth it.
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Jan 15, 2016 06:47
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Man, considering the explanation of how camo works, I definitely made the right choice Eliting von Luckner. +7% Disguise (and all his base 'battle power' or whatevs) is awesome.
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Jan 15, 2016 06:51
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So if you were to somehow get Halsey and make him your captain, he would give the quick load nazi skill along with another skill that increases your damage by 8% when over 26 knots. Combine that with a 4 star Macmillan and you'd be running around with a shitload of extra damage.
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Jan 15, 2016 07:14
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Hey Mazz, my buddy in the Wyoming that you murdered assumed your Pensacola had to be using gold ammo to pen him that much. Poor guy. He's still new and hasn't met many Pensas.
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Jan 15, 2016 07:16
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Night10194 posted:Hey Mazz, my buddy in the Wyoming that you murdered assumed your Pensacola had to be using gold ammo to pen him that much. Oh god he has no idea how much of a cheap bastard I am then. I won't even buy the Laforey right now for fear its going to go on sale soon.
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Jan 15, 2016 07:24
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I did what I could, but I was a mere Taco among Colas.  Had a game today where the BBs were dumb in an entirely unusual way: They charged heedlessly forward and tried to ram destroyers, outpacing their escorts and all getting torpedoed to death.
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Jan 15, 2016 07:25
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RIP, I have a feeling that these shitters are going to fail there way up to tier 10's like in wot.
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Jan 15, 2016 08:23
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Thank you, Quickload Nazi, for letting me snatch kills right out of the mouths of my fellow goons. Truly you are the best BB captain.
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Jan 15, 2016 08:55
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Somehow I got 11,000 global xp, I don't know how. So I went and unlocked several tier IV ships before realizing I don't have the money to actually buy them. drat it. Well, I did get the IJN tier 4 sub. 8 front torpedoes and a scout plane sounds fun.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Here is a bunch of images that contain information about this game. I love how some of the tables have races as: Geman, Burger, Nippon
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Ratzap posted:I love how some of the tables have races as: Geman, Burger, Nippon Third World Reggin posted:by request, spread sheets Part of it was pulled from this sheet
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