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Steve2911 posted:Any visual effect could look good if done well. CGI is super good and appropriate in stuff like District 9, Lord of the Rings and Life of Pi. Avengers 2 sucked, but the CGI was great. And Hulk looks tremendous. In fact, having seen the current CGI Hulk, I have no problem with good and detailed CGI.
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Steve2911 posted:Any visual effect could look good if done well. CGI is super good and appropriate in stuff like District 9, Lord of the Rings and Life of Pi. Right. That's why I said that people who "hate CG" actually mean to say they "hate bad CG." The sad thing about a lot of good CG is that you don't notice it because it's good - excepting, of course, crazy creatures and robots and such. I think I read here somewhere that part of the reason some CG sticks out like a sore thumb is because they need to shoot for 3D and that rendering for any CG needs to basically be doubled. Anyone know if that's true?
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Parachute posted:Was there some (now) unofficial book or something that said Plagueis was a Muun? I swear I remember seeing something about that on the wiki. Did any Kerbals crash into him? 
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Red posted:Yes, and Wookieepedia has a lot on information on Palpatine and Plagueis' relationship, and the 'Grand Experiment', but - I don't know that any of that is considered canon anymore. I'm actually glad this isn't "canon" anymore, because it takes all the mystery out of it. Not the mystery of whether Plagueis was Palpatine's master, that's pretty much a given, but we didn't need confirmation of who or what created Anakin, nor did we need to go that in-depth with Plagueis and Palpatine's relationship. It also does weird stuff like reveal that Maul was an official Sith for all of five seconds because Plagueis lived into the time of TPM, it has Palpatine not actually kill Plagueis in his sleep, etc. We knew very little about the ins and outs of the Sith during that time frame and it still couldn't get the few details we did know right.
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Parachute posted:Someone posted this already, right? This is real cool although the first comment echoes my own thoughts: quote:Video about visual effects, uploaded in 240p
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Jan 14, 2016 21:14
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Guy A. Person posted:This is real cool although the first comment echoes my own thoughts: To be fair it was uploaded in 2008 so that was pretty cutting edge.
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Beeez posted:I'm actually glad this isn't "canon" anymore, because it takes all the mystery out of it. Not the mystery of whether Plagueis was Palpatine's master, that's pretty much a given, but we didn't need confirmation of who or what created Anakin, nor did we need to go that in-depth with Plagueis and Palpatine's relationship. It also does weird stuff like reveal that Maul was an official Sith for all of five seconds because Plagueis lived into the time of TPM, it has Palpatine not actually kill Plagueis in his sleep, etc. We knew very little about the ins and outs of the Sith during that time frame and it still couldn't get the few details we did know right. If anything with a Disney stamp is canon, then we know that Palpatine was Plagueis' apprentice and Palpatine killed him in his sleep. Thank you, Star Wars tabletop rpg
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Jan 14, 2016 21:17
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Anyone think that theory about jar jar being a sith has any truth to it?
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rear end Catchcum posted:Anyone think that theory about jar jar being a sith has any truth to it? lol no
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piratepilates posted:Stay tuned for the special edition releases! The movie J Jabrams originally wanted to make! I would be pretty darn amused if the video release of TFA did not match the theatrical one and they refused to release the theatrical version ever.
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rear end Catchcum posted:Anyone think that theory about jar jar being a sith has any truth to it? no lol
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Jan 14, 2016 21:25
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Force Jive is the most powerful of all dark side powers.
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Jan 14, 2016 21:29
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The use of CG in Zodiac is pretty stunning. I was shocked the first time I saw that video, I had no idea there was that much. e: I don't mean this as a bash at the prequels or TFA or anything. Just an observation about a great film.
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S.J. posted:If anything with a Disney stamp is canon, then we know that Palpatine was Plagueis' apprentice and Palpatine killed him in his sleep. Thank you, Star Wars tabletop rpg Yeah, I was pretty sure it's been confirmed somewhere but lots of people in this thread were acting like only "Legends" sources had ever confirmed it and I don't know enough about all the different "canon" sources to disagree. But looking at Wookiepedia, even their Canon Plagueis section acts like it's a definite thing, and I think it was more or less impossible that they weren't going to confirm that at some point, anyway.
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As far as replacing matte paintings go CGI has done a fantastic job complimenting or outright replacing it, a good smaller scale budget example would be Monk; despite having a ton of outdoors scenes they very rarely actually went outdoors (because NYC is apparently so expensive it's cheaper to fake being on a street talking than just having a dude walk down a street). You'd never know this if you weren't told though.
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rear end Catchcum posted:Anyone think that theory about jar jar being a sith has any truth to it? Jar Jar Binks doesn't have enough spooky symbiotic space germs in his cells to shoot lightning bolts out of his fingers, no. Nonetheless, he is responsible for the rise of the Empire. Does that make him a Sith? I wonder if one of those hooded figures on Sidious' council in Episode VI is Jar Jar. That would be pretty much the greatest Special Edition change George Lucas could ever do. e: wrong episode ungulateman fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Jan 14, 2016 21:37
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ungulateman posted:I wonder if one of those hooded figures on Sidious' council in Episode IV is Jar Jar. Do you mean the dignitaries or inner circle weirdos in Episode VI? 
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Jan 14, 2016 21:38
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Jar Jar is in the Cantina in ANH, just off camera. Scum and villainy.
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Jan 14, 2016 21:43
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Red posted:Do you mean the dignitaries or inner circle weirdos in Episode VI? Wait what? I don't remember this scene from Return of the Jedi.
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Jar Jar is a funny, nice guy who is competent and a little bit lucky, but persecuted and outcast from his country cause he is clumsy and crashed the kings car. He's George Lucas.
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Chucat posted:Wait what? They don't say a word and aren't visible in all the shots. What was their deal? I bet I can google "purple death star throne room guys" and it'll tell me, but I ain't gonna
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turtlecrunch posted:I haven't gotten a chance to watch this one but here is another video about the Force Awakens FX (an interview don't get excited): Got a chance to watch this, here's notes: + Interviewer's set-up/sound is horrible, don't be fooled by the pre-title section with the artificially low volume unless you want your ears blasted out + Interview is with: Chris Corbould [special effects supervisor for TFA] and Neal Scanlan [creature shop concept designer / creature shop head for TFA] + Neal had retired from the industry, came back after the first production meeting (which was also when he found out the project was Star Wars) CREATURE DESIGN + Creature design began with 4 concept artists + Neal + Maz was a "burning issue" even before they had storyboards or a script + Process was to do calls with JJ and each time he would find something he liked and wanted to keep + Part of their role is "getting inside the director's head" to inspire new content that aligns more closely to the director's vision + Created a backstory for all the creatures in Maz's bar (cosmetic surgeons, chefs, etc.) + Wanted to present creatures as members of the cast, not special effects, it was not important for JJ to know how they worked CHEWBACCA + A New Hope: Chewbacca's entire body was hand-knit by Stewart Freeborn's wife, every hair hand-placed, took thousands of hours + A New Hope: Chewbacca's face was designed by a make-up artist rather than a special effects person + They tried to make their own version of Chewbacca and it was "appalling", so they went back to ANH "like an archeological dig" so as to copy that design and process, they had to set their egos aside + "To recreate this character what you need is a person with beautiful blue eyes, wide set, strong jaw, and happens to be 7'3". How lucky was George Lucas when that man walked through his door?" REY'S SPEEDER + JJ settled on an "unorthodox" design, making the speeder challenging to construct + Four wheels, 1000cc motorbike engine, could go 60-70mph across desert + Hidden driver inside so Daisy could sit on top and focus on acting + Driver had to be good and able to cope with 50C heat REY'S BREAD + Molded an inflatable bread sculpture and placed it under the liquid, inflated it at the same time as sucking out the liquid through the bottom of the bowl + "People think it's CGI" + Neal: "I thought it was CGI too!" FX ON LOCATION + Jakku was shot in Abu Dhabi, extreme heat and very challenging + "If I lifted a rubber mat I could walk about 50ft before I was physically exhausted" + "There's a responsibility to keep the people in costumes alive...at least until the shot is done" + "You can't compromise the look of the film" to make special effects easier, can't tell a location scout to find someplace cooler, have to give the director freedom to think creatively + Because of JJ's support for practical effects, they never wanted the challenge of executing those effects to be a barrier to him + Despite challenges, they look back on Abu Dhabi very fondly because of what they accomplished with the on-site cinematography and effects + Body count of remote-controlled droids: 5 or 6 CGI AND PRACTICAL EFFECT COLLABORATION + There was a "complete circle" between set fx and ILM + Constantly talked to ILM about what was the best way to accomplish a particular sequence, Roger Guyett (VFX Supervisor) preferred practical when possible + Entire collaboration stems from JJ and KK's vision for the effects on the new films, i.e. the practical focus + "It's not so much that we want to use [practical effects], we need to use them, it's part of the [Star Wars] genre" + The continuity of the series (rather than singular films) is very good for collaboration MISC + Tried to make new effects for blaster hits on walls, created 50+ variations of light and color, then decided ANH blaster effects were fine and followed the same process + Lots of tests to get Daisy and John used to explosions in the distance, "75% of what we do is testing [the effects]" + "The worst thing you can ever hear from a director is 'oh that's not what I was expecting'." This is a part 1 of 2 on practical effects but I don't know when they'll post the next one. turtlecrunch fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Red posted:Do you mean the dignitaries or inner circle weirdos in Episode VI? Those background weirdos are some of my favourite details from RotJ.
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Rey's bread would have been a miniature in the PT...
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:They don't say a word and aren't visible in all the shots. I'm sure there's a Wookieepedia entry on them, but anything that would have been written about them is thrown out with the old canon. They'll probably show up in Rogue One bothering Vader by being weird campy creeps or something. I'd cast Adrian Brody as the one on the right. Speaking of, MakingStarWars.net has some vaguely related Rogue One rumors. I guess don't click if you don't want to know anything about Rogue One? They were definitely the most reliable source throughout TFA rumor cycle.
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feedmyleg posted:Speaking of, MakingStarWars.net has some vaguely related Rogue One rumors. I guess don't click if you don't want to know anything about Rogue One? They were definitely the most reliable source throughout TFA rumor cycle. Huh, I assumed James Earl Jones was long dead.
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Guy A. Person posted:Video about visual effects, uploaded in 240p  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_gPgRZnfQc Steve2911 posted:Huh, I assumed James Earl Jones was long dead. 
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feedmyleg posted:Speaking of, MakingStarWars.net has some vaguely related Rogue One rumors. I guess don't click if you don't want to know anything about Rogue One? They were definitely the most reliable source throughout TFA rumor cycle. SHUT UP DECEMBER AND GET HERE, ALREADY!
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The person in question was only in his mid-40s when he worked on the original films, he's 84 now.
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Basebf555 posted:The person in question was only in his mid-40s when he worked on the original films, he's 84 now. Celebrities don't live past 69 these days.
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Long interview with ILM effects guys about TFA: http://www.slashfilm.com/force-awakens-visual-effects/ quote:J.J. Abrams and Disney (smartly) pitched Star Wars: The Force Awakens as a throwback to the original trilogy (the movies that most fans of the franchise loved) and a lot of the behind-the-scenes footage focused on the return to practical effects. But anyone who has seen the movie knows The Force Awakens also has its share of CG visual effects. And this morning, Force Awakens was nominated for Best Visual Effects for this year’s Academy Awards.
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Not a digital effect, to be fair: Rey's instant bread. http://www.mtv.com/news/2728173/star-wars-rey-bread/
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Corek posted:Long interview with ILM effects guys about TFA: This is really a great interview
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I dont care if its miniature, a real thing, or CGI, the biggest thing is that it needs to exist 'in the movie'. Thats my biggest problem with CGI in the PT. I dont think people hate the gorgeous alien landscapes that posters have been so kind as to post screenshots of in these threads. Its when there is something clearly CGI & the real people in the scene clearly don't have a handle on whats happening. I'll give 2 examples since one was just mentioned by Paul Scheer on the Star Wars Minute podcast & 1 I noticed immediately while rewatching a bit of TPM (to see the pod race! woooo!) 1. Jar Jar tries to steal some food from a vendor, that is portrayed as a grotesque looking practical effect, looks fine, even if the food he steals looks pretty bad (it looks like a bad practical effect! oh no!). The thing flies into Sebulba's ramen and Sebulba goes to beat up Jar Jar. Sebulba is full CGI & Jar Jar is full CGI (tho portrayed on set by Ahmed Best?) Despite Best maybe being on a set for this scene doing his acting, literally no one reacts to a loving street fight going down! Sebulba's table featured 2 human Sebulba'pals, when the weird rubber chicken flies into the soup, some soup splashes on one of them who reacts. The other guy doesnt react. Then Sebulba literally launches himself over the table, knocking poo poo over, and neither guy reacts. Then he tries to beat the poo poo out of Jar Jar and neither of them react, nor any passerbys. Then he goes back to the table, and they still don't react. Who was directing these 2 people to ignore literally the action & focal points of the scene? Why? Wouldn't they be interested in the fact that their thug friend was about to beat the poo poo out of some weirdass alien they never saw before? This kind of 'no sell' of the CGI going on in the PT happens too often and makes the film lose the magic that creates good CGI in my opinion. 2. Darth Maul releases a robot to scout out Mos Espa or where ever these guys are. it could be a miniature, it could be CGI, who cares? because no one cares!! in the movie!! This piece of poo poo evil looking robot literally flies right in front of a guy walking and he doesn't startle or change his gait or even look at the evil looking eye-droid thats going around evilly!! No one cares!! I get startled when a loving bee flies within 5 feet of my face while walking and not paying attention, let alone a droid the size of 500 bees!! So anyways thats my thought on why I think CGI is good when used well and bad when used poorly
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Red posted:The point is that Ian McDiarmid was the best thing about those lovely, lovely movies, and I love that someone with his theatre background went so hog wild with a villain role. When he takes that pause that he takes at the water ballet going into "...life," it's perfect.
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Jerkface posted:So anyways thats my thought on why I think CGI is good when used well and bad when used poorly So how would you portray these things if you wanted to show that the people in those environments ... don't care?
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homullus posted:So how would you portray these things if you wanted to show that the people in those environments ... don't care? Maybe the guy walking could look and be like "pfft, bee droid, whatever" and keep walking, or be annoyed he has to change his path, or stop a bit then keep walking. Or the people eating with Sebulba could look at Sebulba and go "wow beating up someone, nice" and go abck to eating, instead of literally doing nothing and acting like these things arent even there (because for them, they arent!) Like if you think the intent of the Maul droid scene or Sebulba beat up scene is to show that no one cares that this is happening, then I have to take us back to the OT where a similar scene plays out and the movie actually acknowledges that it happens & then shows us that no one cares! Greedo getting shot & Panda Boba getting his arm cut off are both 'acknowledged' by the crowd but no one gives a poo poo. IT works. No one acknowledges Sebulba or the Droid because they dont exist on the set and I dont think the extras were told what was going on.
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Jerkface posted:1. Jar Jar tries to steal some food from a vendor, that is portrayed as a grotesque looking practical effect, looks fine, even if the food he steals looks pretty bad (it looks like a bad practical effect! oh no!). The thing flies into Sebulba's ramen and Sebulba goes to beat up Jar Jar. Sebulba is full CGI & Jar Jar is full CGI (tho portrayed on set by Ahmed Best?) Despite Best maybe being on a set for this scene doing his acting, literally no one reacts to a loving street fight going down! Ahmed Best was on set in a silly-looking Jar Jar costume, yes. I think 'no reaction' is pretty bad direction, but 'apathy' - as in "who's Sebulba trying to kill now? whatever" - works pretty well when we're talking about Tatooine, the kind of place where a Jedi can cut your arm off and nobody gives a poo poo.
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homullus posted:So how would you portray these things if you wanted to show that the people in those environments ... don't care? put them in a blue/green room and tell them to walk. we can add a bunch of bullshit in the background in post!
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