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zVxTeflon posted:It's a cannon isn't it so no y-wings Except you have to shoot first, so to stop an ace shooting you're gonna need a faster ace to shoot, which is a big points investment for 0 damage, outside the TieD (and very likely the M3A will get some kind of patch to make it work)
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AndyElusive posted:I cannot for the life of me stand hearing someone mouth breath while they prattle on about their weekend or about some WAAC list while mispronouncing pilot names. Ahh god this is so true. Pronouncing Xizor correctly should be a requirement
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He'll I'm pretty loving sure I don't even pronounce his name right (She Zor?) but then again I don't even try and I don't go on podcasts.
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Jan 14, 2016 20:42
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alg posted:They really should have just been range 1. In the fluff they are very short range. A 1 point 3 range secondary weapon that gets another shot against - 1 defense die is a little much. We'll see how it shakes out. The EU is non-canon and bad so tractor beams can have as big of a range as they want
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Jan 14, 2016 20:48
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Improbable Lobster posted:The EU is non-canon and bad so tractor beams can have as big of a range as they want X-Wing is not a game dependent on canon.
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Jan 14, 2016 20:50
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zVxTeflon posted:It's a cannon isn't it so no y-wings I mean it's a cannon, not a turret. You still need to be in the primary arc to get tractored. I think people are just visualizing best case scenarios when it's actually pretty hard to get a super great shot that's worth giving up your 3 dice attack. Also the fact that you need a high PS ship to actually stop a high PS target from shooting. And you actually need to land the hit. A single tractor shot will maybe strip some tokens off Fel, but is unlikely to actually move him. For reference, here are the ships that can take cannons: Firespray Tie Defender Lambda B-Wing YT-2400 Aggressor YV-666 Syck Interceptor w/title I see tractors being really good on the Defender, medium/ok on the Lambda, Syck and B-Wing and bad on everything else (you don't want a 35+ point ship shooting for zero damage). I could see maybe tossing it into a list if you have a point leftover and a cannon slot available. Just to have the option to use it in case an amazing tractor shot opportunity presents itself. Beyond Defenders I think it's a marginal upgrade. Ojetor fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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AndyElusive posted:He'll I'm pretty loving sure I don't even pronounce his name right (She Zor?) That is correct.
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AndyElusive posted:He'll I'm pretty loving sure I don't even pronounce his name right (She Zor?) but then again I don't even try and I don't go on podcasts. quote:The pronunciation of Xizor's name is established in the novelization of Shadows of the Empire & Star Wars: Empire at War: Forces of Corruption as "shē'zōr". I've heard egg-zizor.
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AndyElusive posted:He'll I'm pretty loving sure I don't even pronounce his name right (She Zor?) but then again I don't even try and I don't go on podcasts. I'm pretty sure it's SEE-zor, like the Pokémon. And if it isn't like that it should be. EDIT: It isn't. The more I think about it, the more I think Hera Syndulla would be the best pilot in the entire game if she had an EPT or PS9. Trend-wise FFG seems to favor "underpowered on release with potential fixes" than "blatantly OP as poo poo" releases, and the Ghost looks like no exception. I'm torn between running a really neat shuttle with Sabine and PTL/Kyle Katarn/accessories, but 32 points for PS5 3/2/2/2 even with a cool combo feels worse the more I think about it. So you could fatten up the Ghost and leave the shuttle as naked as possible and just never undock it, but then you're paying around 70 (!!) points for what amounts to a Y-Wing with a serious dose of HGH. I'm still going to buy the ship and fly it (casual), but I don't think I'm as up on it as I used to be, even with Hera's amazing pilot ability.
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AndyElusive posted:WAAC list Ssssshh. It's okay. You're safe. This isn't Warhammer. This is a good game that doesn't break down the moment someone tries to make a powerful list. WAAC isn't a thing here. You can try to make a powerful list if you want. Noone will judge you.
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I'm just keen on using Chopper as a pilot along with Zeb and anti pursuit lasers and floating around like a big dumbass purposefully trying to make people run into it.
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That's a relief. It was either that or Prince Scissor. Geisladisk posted:Ssssshh. It's okay. You're safe. This isn't Warhammer. This is a good game that doesn't break down the moment someone tries to make a powerful list. WAAC isn't a thing here. You can try to make a powerful list if you want. Noone will judge you. Heh. Also I didn't mean to come across like I have a distane for powerful builds or those who make them, just that I seem to be repulsed by those who do and who lack a particular sense of humor and then broadcast it in audio format across the world wide web. Maybe I should just lighten up.
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alg posted:X-Wing is not a game dependent on canon. So it's not beholden to tractor beams being short range, so my point still stands.
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Improbable Lobster posted:So it's not beholden to tractor beams being short range, so my point still stands. Yes well anything can be whatever FFG wants. That's not a point given they have followed the fluff on most things.
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Ojetor posted:I mean it's a cannon, not a turret. You still need to be in the primary arc to get tractored. I think people are just visualizing best case scenarios when it's actually pretty hard to get a super great shot that's worth giving up your 3 dice attack. Also the fact that you need a high PS ship to actually stop a high PS target from shooting. And you actually need to land the hit. A single tractor shot will maybe strip some tokens off Fel, but is unlikely to actually move him. I can see it being pretty nice as an afterthought on ships that otherwise don't do much like the Lambda or the YV, especially because it's only a point. It's going to be bread and butter for the Defender, and not really much good on anyone else, though. Also, you forgot the G1A.
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Improbable Lobster posted:So it's not beholden to tractor beams being short range, so my point still stands. If it makes you feel better you can be fairly confident that FFG playtested the tractor beam in a variety of ways and with various ranges before settling on the version they're're releasing.
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AndyElusive posted:If it makes you feel better you can be fairly confident that FFG playtested the tractor beam in a variety of ways and with various ranges before settling on the version they're're releasing. We can? Because presumably they playtested the Scyk and found a reason it was worth releasing.
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The reason is buying scum Aces a year later.
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Lots of Rules Clarifications have come out in the last day or so, from Frank or Alex. There are sources linked in the reddit thread for all of these, so it's gospel from on high. https://www.reddit.com/r/XWingTMG/comments/40udua/all_faq_additionsclarifications_since_v40/ --------------- Wampa happens at beginning of "Compare Results," so you can see if keeping your roll is better than the pilot ability, for example Rich! "Youngster" works with TIE/fo Fighters "Wampa"'s ability happens at the start of the "Compare Results" step. TIE/fo Fighters can be docked to Gozanti using Docking Clamps TIE Adv. Prototype cannot use TIE/x1 title TIE Adv. Prototype cannot be docked to Gozanti using Docking Clamps Omega Leader prevents HLC from turning critical hits into hits Omega Leader prevents a ship from using Juke against him Omega Leader prevents the use of C-3PO and evade tokens If R2-D6 is discarded from Integrated Astromech, the equipped Elite Pilot Talent is not discarded. Scoring: The large ship half-points rule got rewritten in the latest FAQ which caused some confusion. However, it works just like before; You're supposed to get half points for half-destroyed ships for the purpose of determining the winner and for the purpose of calculating MoV. --------------------
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I'm actually glad the TIE adv. prototype can't use the X1 title since we might have to start guessing what the truncated words mean. They obviously have enough room to enlarge the ship type panel if they want since the alternate art cards have huge pieces of art, so they can do so if they wanted a TIE advanced prototype ship.
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The TIE /fo is a TIE fighter(/ln), but TIE Advanced Prototype (V1) isn't a TIE Advanced. However, TIE Advanced X1 (Prototype) is a TIE Advanced.
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hoiyes posted:Except you have to shoot first, so to stop an ace shooting you're gonna need a faster ace to shoot, which is a big points investment for 0 damage, outside the TieD (and very likely the M3A will get some kind of patch to make it work) Roark, the scum reverse roark, swarm tactics... i mean its not that hard to shoot before an ace if you wanted to.
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zVxTeflon posted:Roark, the scum reverse roark, swarm tactics... i mean its not that hard to shoot before an ace if you wanted to. There are a lot of moving pieces to make a non-damaging 3-dice attack work. You're not going to send Fel into rocks unless he's tokenless and without his friend Palpatine.
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nilstryfe posted:The TIE /fo is a TIE fighter(/ln), but TIE Advanced Prototype (V1) isn't a TIE Advanced. However, TIE Advanced X1 (Prototype) is a TIE Advanced. Yeah
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Tekopo posted:VESSERY OUTMANEUVER BUDDIES 
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Tell me if this sucks because I'll be going to a LGS championship on the 6th: Howlrunner Swarm Tactics Hull Upgrade Omega Leader Weapons Guidance Marksmanship Stealth Device Zeta Leader Weapons Guidance Expose Twin Ion Engine Mk II Zeta Squadron Pilot Weapons Guidance Stealth Device 100 points exactly.
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If you dumped a bunch of the more questionable upgrades you could afford a whole nother TIE fighter.
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TheHoosier posted:Tell me if this sucks because I'll be going to a LGS championship on the 6th: Not sure about Hull Upgrade.
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Cool, thanks. Still tweaking. First list i've actually built so it's bound to be poo poo
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I just realized that if you're behind a ship and tractor beam it you can actually push it away from you (by boosting it 1 forward), which seems like a really weird thing for a tractor beam to do.
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Ojetor posted:I just realized that if you're behind a ship and tractor beam it you can actually push it away from you (by boosting it 1 forward), which seems like a really weird thing for a tractor beam to do. Can I use the tractor beam to push nerds into lockers?
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AndyElusive posted:Heh. Also I didn't mean to come across like I have a distane for powerful builds or those who make them, just that I seem to be repulsed by those who do and who lack a particular sense of humor and then broadcast it in audio format across the world wide web. People who get upset over 'WAAC' lists are un-ironically the worst people to play games against/with in my experience.
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kingcom posted:People who get upset over 'WAAC' lists are un-ironically the worst people to play games against/with in my experience. This has been my experience as well.
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Panzeh posted:There are a lot of moving pieces to make a non-damaging 3-dice attack work. You're not going to send Fel into rocks unless he's tokenless and without his friend Palpatine. 2? Youre not going to hit Fel anyway if hes got his bag of tricks.
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Ojetor posted:I just realized that if you're behind a ship and tractor beam it you can actually push it away from you (by boosting it 1 forward), which seems like a really weird thing for a tractor beam to do. This seems to be exactly what you should be using a tractor beam for, grabbing and moving things.
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kingcom posted:This seems to be exactly what you should be using a tractor beam for, grabbing and moving things. Yeah, but tractor beams are typically a "grab thing and bring it towards you", or maybe "swing it from side to side a bit", not "push away".
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kingcom posted:People who get upset over 'WAAC' lists are un-ironically the worst people to play games against/with in my experience. I was going to agree but then I remembered I complained a whole lot about playing against double pancakes when I first started playing and back then they were the ultimate WAAC list so 
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Strobe posted:I was going to agree but then I remembered I complained a whole lot about playing against double pancakes when I first started playing and back then they were the ultimate WAAC list so I don't think double pancakes was ever a waac list, haha. I mean I don't sit down at a table trembling in fear of chewie/leebo or slim han/fringer.
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