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Panzeh posted:There are better sim dogfighters Any names?
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Pierzak posted:Any names? Aerodrome, for example. Despite being as weirdly sim as it is, it manages to be less clunky than AI.
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Jan 16, 2016 14:14
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Milky Moor posted:i've seen a lot of dumb anime bullshit in my time but the monstergirl shipgirl fad is the absolute worst It does rather lift the veil from the dehumanisation at the root of the fetishism (in the sexual sense).
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Jan 16, 2016 14:33
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The Bee posted:A mercenary that only gets hired once because he gave you his word sounds like a really lovely concept for a mercenary. I think that mercenaries that are completely loyal only to the point they are contractually required to be could actually be a pretty interesting concept, and dwarfs-as-lawyers certainly crops up in other fantasy settings (Discworld for sure, and I'm pretty sure LotR dwarfs also valued their contract laws). Mixing it with crazy impulsive berserkers is... complicated, but could still work. I could see a system where each group of mercenaries has their own lawyer who does their negotiating, for example, resulting in Fyre Dorfs being underestimated and using their reputation for being 'utterly loyal' to gently caress a bunch of people over for fun and profit. GW fucks it up by not making it clear that hiring a bunch of Fyre Dorfs involves six months of contract negotiations and a convoluted series of back up plans for when your hired troops find a loophole that lets them stab you in the back without technically breaking their oath to you. Actually, GW fucks it up by not caring at all about their world building, and just grasping blindly at various generic concepts and hoping that if they mash them together the result will sell. I hope it is okay to talk about GW in the GW death thread  If not, may I please request more cell-shaded robot dolls; they are very cool.
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Jan 16, 2016 14:35
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HazCat posted:I think that mercenaries that are completely loyal only to the point they are contractually required to be could actually be a pretty interesting concept It's from Battletech I think, but I recall reading about a mercenary company that were loyal for the duration of the contract, plus the next contract, and no further, ie they would not immediately turn around and hire themselves out to your enemy. Meant a safe exit, because the employer never had to get paranoid about them doing a sneak attack from the inside as soon as they were done.
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Jan 16, 2016 14:45
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^^^ Not mercs chat, but I like the idea of the clans bidding on taking over planets and poo poo.anti_strunt posted:It does rather lift the veil from the dehumanisation at the root of the fetishism (in the sexual sense). I like the male characters in harem animes because they are all so one dimensional and boring. It is obvious why they do it, but I'm sure you could write novels on the subject. EDIT: Has there ever been a harem anime deconstruction, kind of like what Madoka Magica did for magic girl?
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Jan 16, 2016 15:10
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Pyrolocutus posted:Actually there's a pretty cool theory that those dolls were sculpted by pregnant women themselves, sorta sculpting what they saw when they looked down at themselves. That was a pretty interesting article, thank you. I wasn't fully sold on their arguments, apart from the positioning of the tailbone; that actually seemed like a pretty meaningfully divergence. Do you know of any other articles on the subject?
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Jan 16, 2016 15:21
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HazCat posted:I think that mercenaries that are completely loyal only to the point they are contractually required to be could actually be a pretty interesting concept, and dwarfs-as-lawyers certainly crops up in other fantasy settings (Discworld for sure, and I'm pretty sure LotR dwarfs also valued their contract laws). Mixing it with crazy impulsive berserkers is... complicated, but could still work. I could see a system where each group of mercenaries has their own lawyer who does their negotiating, for example, resulting in Fyre Dorfs being underestimated and using their reputation for being 'utterly loyal' to gently caress a bunch of people over for fun and profit. That's still a dumb idea in the long run because after... two, three times? No one is going to ever want to hire Fryer Dwarf mercs again.
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Jan 16, 2016 15:24
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who is even going to hire them? i think nearly everyone in AoS would be very unreliable and betrayal prone when the contract ends since each faction has some arbitrary area of total, uncompromising stupidity that determines their entire motivation. sigmar would accuse them of being too chaos and ditching his fan club. chaos would want to kill them for their sweet, sweet skulls or because "lol im soooo chaos :-)". undead want to kill them because something something dominate all life. elves would be reliable maybe, and skaven could be relied on to betray them utterly at the first chance.
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Jan 16, 2016 15:33
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LordAba posted:I like the male characters in harem animes because they are all so one dimensional and boring. It is obvious why they do it, but I'm sure you could write novels on the subject. That actually just makes me hate the genre even more, because the female characters seem all the more pathetic. At least if the male lead was a charismatic, sexy beast of a man I could In a way I guess it offends me for the same reason those Hollywood "high-powered career woman just has to learn to accept and love the foibles of the slacker shmuck male lead" rom-coms offend me. Men should not be trained to believe that they have some innate right to sexual access to females without putting in any work to make themselves attractive mates!
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Jan 16, 2016 15:33
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I am deserve a harem of double posts.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:who is even going to hire them? i think nearly everyone in AoS would be very unreliable and betrayal prone when the contract ends since each faction has some arbitrary area of total, uncompromising stupidity that determines their entire motivation. sigmar would accuse them of being too chaos and ditching his fan club. chaos would want to kill them for their sweet, sweet skulls or because "lol im soooo chaos :-)". undead want to kill them because something something dominate all life. elves would be reliable maybe, and skaven could be relied on to betray them utterly at the first chance. I'm just assuming that ur-gold is entirely valueless to everyone else and they literally just use it to get a cadre of fry
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Jan 16, 2016 15:35
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Ur-Gold can only go up uP UP!
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Jan 16, 2016 15:39
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Pureauthor posted:That's still a dumb idea in the long run because after... two, three times? No one is going to ever want to hire Fryer Dwarf mercs again. Eh, plenty of people fall for multiple get-rich scams (sometimes even after being warned about them from people they should trust). I never underestimate the ability of good salesmen to convince people to do utterly stupid things completely against their own best interest. I could believe that in a medieval setting, rip-off merchants could stay ahead of their own bad press somehow. Tiler Kiwi posted:who is even going to hire them? i think nearly everyone in AoS would be very unreliable and betrayal prone when the contract ends since each faction has some arbitrary area of total, uncompromising stupidity that determines their entire motivation. sigmar would accuse them of being too chaos and ditching his fan club. chaos would want to kill them for their sweet, sweet skulls or because "lol im soooo chaos :-)". undead want to kill them because something something dominate all life. elves would be reliable maybe, and skaven could be relied on to betray them utterly at the first chance. Well yes, the entire setting is now stupid and one-dimensional and you can't eke anything worthwhile out of it without throwing out almost everything GW has added. It may have always been that way, actually - everything I know about the WHFB setting I read on SA in this thread  Anyway, even if my idea were fleshed out better, it would still be pretty dull because the setting already has Skaven. You'd basically end up with 'backstabbers; lawful' and 'backstabbers; chaotic'. I guess my point was more that GW is failing not just because they have bad ideas, but also because they don't even bother trying to make their bad ideas work, they just kind of vomit them up and announce "yes, this is good enough for our customers!"
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Jan 16, 2016 16:14
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LordAba posted:EDIT: Has there ever been a harem anime deconstruction, kind of like what Madoka Magica did for magic girl? Kind of school days, I guess, where the dude's leading on several women leads to one of them murdering her romantic rival and killing him.
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Jan 16, 2016 16:16
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So is there a Jojo harem and/or Jojo giant fighting robot anime that isn't G Gundam?
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Milky Moor posted:i've seen a lot of dumb anime bullshit in my time but the monstergirl shipgirl fad is the absolute worst That's BS, don't conflate the two.The Monster Girl fad came up organically. Okayado made those single page comics, put them up on Pixiv, and it grew from there. And there's a lot of good monster girl mangas. T-Rex Girlfriend is great. The Rokurokubi manga is really sweet, Bird Cafe is hilarious. Boat girls were designed from day 1 to be a corporate money making scheme, and it's produced nothing of value
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Jan 16, 2016 16:49
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LordAba posted:...deconstruction... ...Madoka Magica...? hate
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LordAba posted:EDIT: Has there ever been a harem anime deconstruction, kind of like what Madoka Magica did for magic girl? "The Truth is I am..." or whatever name it's going by nowadays is probably the closest thing to a deconstruction you'll get. I haven't kept up with it, but it takes a lot of harem tropes (like the thousand year old 12-year-old girl) and flips them around (said girl is a petty, cruel and powerful demon who plays tricks on everyone and is the school principal and grandmother to the head teacher). Only two girls actually have a love interest in the main character, who isn't a cardboard cut out of a human being, and the plot actually moves along. It's a story where everyone is cute and dumb. I read the comics, haven't watched the actual anime. Gravy Train Robber posted:Ur-Gold can only go up uP UP! Sir, may I interest you in a new currency that is unrestrained by the shackles of regulation? It's called Dorfcoin. Regarding Star Wars chat: I discovered that Donnie Yen will be in the Rogue One movie. I'm already disappointed because Wing Chun probably doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe. (Ip Man was better than TFA).
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Jan 16, 2016 16:58
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Chill la Chill posted:So is there a Jojo giant fighting robot anime that isn't G Gundam? I bet you'd like Getter Robo Go. It's got a very early JoJo feel, with manly men who are kind of terrible people punching through horrifying monsters.
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I'm not gonna use the word "deconstruction", because that's the worst, but if you want a good harem anime you aren't gonna get better than Bakemonogatari. The male main character is one of the best and most entertaining characters, all the women are really well-developed, it doesn't waste time with "ooh, who will he pick?" and just goes straight into one of the best romances I've ever seen in a TV show.
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Is the new Heroic Legend of Arslan any good. Mm, for what it was I preferred Black Rock Shooter. And deconstruction is actually very good. Because anime is very bad. PoontifexMacksimus fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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Chill la Chill posted:So is there a Jojo harem and/or Jojo giant fighting robot anime that isn't G Gundam? Gurren Lagann I think the guy that did G Gundam did a show called Giant Robo that's supposed to be really good
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boom boom boom posted:I'm not gonna use the word "deconstruction", because that's the worst, but if you want a good harem anime you aren't gonna get better than Bakemonogatari. The male main character is one of the best and most entertaining characters, all the women are really well-developed, it doesn't waste time with "ooh, who will he pick?" and just goes straight into one of the best romances I've ever seen in a TV show. isn't this the show where he creeps on his underage younger sister(s) repeatedly and one of the girls in the "harem" is a 10 y/o ghost? I distinctly remember something either named this or similar being recommended to me nonstop and it was just a cascade of awful
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HazCat posted:I think that mercenaries that are completely loyal only to the point they are contractually required to be could actually be a pretty interesting concept, and dwarfs-as-lawyers certainly crops up in other fantasy settings (Discworld for sure, and I'm pretty sure LotR dwarfs also valued their contract laws). Mixing it with crazy impulsive berserkers is... complicated, but could still work. I could see a system where each group of mercenaries has their own lawyer who does their negotiating, for example, resulting in Fyre Dorfs being underestimated and using their reputation for being 'utterly loyal' to gently caress a bunch of people over for fun and profit. Now I'm imagining a Stormcast awkwardly fumbling its way through a diplomatic negotiation with its permanent  face, and awkwardly trying to get its rigid, poorly-positioned arm into its pockets to try and fish out some ur-gold. All the while, a Fyredorf Gigalawyer is watching him like a hawk, juggling how to exploit this mark for all it's worth. AoS could be a great comedy setting if it didn't seem to insist on taking itself so seriously.
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The Bee posted:AoS could be a great comedy setting if it didn't seem to insist on taking itself so seriously. gw.txt
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The Bee posted:AoS could be a great comedy setting if it didn't seem to insist on taking itself so seriously. Thanks for reducing all my many, many words down to one sentence, you jerk  But seriously, I really just want GW to resurrect Terry Pratchett and give him complete control over all of their settings.
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Pureauthor posted:That's still a dumb idea in the long run because after... two, three times? No one is going to ever want to hire Fryer Dwarf mercs again. Generally speaking, mercenaries aren't hired for their unwavering loyalty to your cause. That's what you have your own troops for. You hire mercenaries because you need a quick infusion of manpower to go kill some poo poo.
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It would be neat if the stormfronts were really socially inept and incapable of anything but a polite conversational tone, even in battle. Also being called Seraphon all the lizards should have really beautiful angelic voices. Imagine some peasant following beautiful hymns he hears in the forest one day and discovering it's a bunch of hulking lizards singing while they slaughter a chaos cult.
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I always assumed the feminist bits in Fury Road were mostly just George Miller taking a massive piss out of the dumber part of expected audience, that is bros really into cars and explosions, and then Internet people started treating it very seriously because they're Internet people.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Gurren Lagann Gurren Lagann and Giant Robo are both alright for slight entertainment but I don't know if I would call them deconstructions of anything. Also, neither is very Jojo.
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When talking about anime, if somebody uses the word "deconstruction" I read it as "I'm embarrassed to admit that I like this magical girl or Giant Robot show, so I'm gonna act like it's something really fancy so it's ok for me to like it" The Magical Girl Madoka Magic, for example, doesn't deconstruct poo poo. It's still a good show.
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boom boom boom posted:When talking about anime, if somebody uses the word "deconstruction" I read it as "I'm embarrassed to admit that I like this magical girl or Giant Robot show, so I'm gonna act like it's something really fancy so it's ok for me to like it" I like Magical Madoka, and while genre deconstruction maybe too generous a term, I like it because of that. If it lacked the Faustian deal for powers and where the witches came from I wouldn't have liked it. Just like I like Neon Genesis Evangelion for being a deconstruction of the mech pilot genre (aka forcing kids to fight in mechs against hosed up aliens fucks them up). EDIT: I don't really like other Giant Robot shows except for that one Gundam where the dude gets his leg lasered off and they end up living in a desert. LordAba fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 16, 2016 |
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GL isn't so much a deconstruction it's more an affectionate parody.
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NTRabbit posted:https://twitter.com/WarhammerGC/status/688286291419504641 A better comparison would be with the latest dwarf plastic kits and not really old metal models. I would've gone with a plastic ironbreaker or longbeard as a counterpart to these new things.
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I liked Claymore, Noein, Darker Than Black and am currently getting through Ergo Proxy. Not a cat-girl in sight.
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Safety Factor posted:A better comparison would be with the latest dwarf plastic kits and not really old metal models. I would've gone with a plastic ironbreaker or longbeard as a counterpart to these new things. Metal Runesmith is 6th edition, which isn't that long ago. Only been one wave of dwarf releases since.
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Thundercloud posted:Metal Runesmith is 6th edition, which isn't that long ago. Only been one wave of dwarf releases since. Yeah, but those character models are tiny for whatever reason. I have some of them laying around.
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Scale creep is scale creep, picking a 'more recent' plastic just adds a link to the chain
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Renfield posted:I liked Claymore, Noein, Darker Than Black and am currently getting through Ergo Proxy. There's a cosplay girl in Darker Than Black and one of the protagonists is literally a cat. Also: Rei Ayanami clone MC, girl who's a teenager but is really an adult, naked manservice. It just happens to be a good series that uses that stuff well.
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