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My Imaginary GF posted:I think ISIL claims to be a state, operates various state institutions, and is at war with America. Therefore, out of an abundance of caution, the American military should take them at their word and treat them like a hostile foreign state and not hold back out of fear over whatever propaganda they may produce. They're going to create propaganda until we destroy their capacity to act like a state, might as well make them known that foreign nations which declare war on the United States are treated the same way as we've always treated them. If hostage-takers seize a compound and declare a "state" and all the people they're holding at gunpoint their "citizens", it isn't playing it safe to take them at their word and blow up the whole building hostages and all. ISIS forcibly occupies the cities it controls like a conquering army or barbarian horde and the majority of crimes it commits are against people within its territories - would you support the obliterating of Kurdish towns held by ISIS? What about the slaughter of Yazidi slaves? Is Mosul one of these cities to be destroyed, one which America's ally the Iraqi government keeps trying to liberate? I want to see someone clearly affirm Ted Cruz's line, because like MIGF he's hiding in the ambiguity of comparing the war against ISIS to the war against the Nazis where bombing the German people was at least coherent when in reality it's a lot more like carpet-bombing occupied Europe. It feeds into the unspoken bigotry of a huge chunk of Americans to whom all Muslims are the enemy rather than ISIS's prime victims, and the fact that this dog-whistling is approved for prime time is what makes the Republicans (and a number of nominal Democrats) despicable. And all of this was obvious as poo poo until MIGF decided to wander back in from the cold and start up his goddamn gimmick again.
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TheTatteredKing posted:Oh interesting. Thank you. Yep. Here's the money shot from that New Yorker article: 
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Montasque posted:
That isn't remotely subtle enough to count as a dog whistle. It's somewhere between a foghorn and an air raid siren.
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Is this just something from the Internet or did a Super-PAC put this out?
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I can't wait for Bernie to win the nom so America can air out all its latent antisemitism too
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Montasque posted:"gently caress THEM JEW YORKERS! YEEE HAW!" The whole "New York Values" line is equivalent to if Hillary Clinton started talking about overall wearing, tobacco spitting rednecks in Alabama as a campaign tactic. She'd be roasted alive from both the left and the right and run out of the race. But in the GOP race not only is attacking a region of the country apparently a legit strategy but the candidate doubles down on it when called out.
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quadrophrenic posted:I can't wait for Bernie to win the nom so America can air out all its latent antisemitism too Hebrew'n some trouble.
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Xenophon posted:stop talking about WWII you dweebs Oh, and to sum up my explanation, the correct term for ISIS/ISIL/Daesh is "those stupid assholes constantly getting kicked in the nuts by the Kurds".  E:\/ As seen below, love that giant red chunk of territory ISIL's lost in northern Syria. fade5 fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Beat 'em riding Ford and Chevy trucks, GalacticAcid. How many locomotives and mile of rail did the Soviets manufacture during the war, GalacticAcid? I agree completely, MIGF. The critical thing is to arm, supply, and support our allies in the field, which is why Obama is doing just that - leading to steady, sustainable progress in the region. 
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Nietzschean posted:Do you believe that people strap on suicide vests with the foreknowledge and assumption that he is going to accomplish nothing in so doing? Well, they believe it's going to accomplish getting them 72 virgins.
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Jake Tapper To Trump: When Ted Cruz Says "New York Values," Does He Really Mean "Jews"? https://youtu.be/KfnOUkIXoSI
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Zwabu posted:The whole "New York Values" line is equivalent to if Hillary Clinton started talking about overall wearing, tobacco spitting rednecks in Alabama as a campaign tactic. She'd be roasted alive from both the left and the right and run out of the race. It might be comparable to Obama's "Bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" thing, although that was a case of leaking something he'd said privately instead of a cornerstone of his campaign rhetoric.
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P cool jean shirt, would vote for Gilmor? Anyone know the last letter that is hid by the guy in the photo op?
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Gilmorc Make amerikka dakka moar
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For America, Gilmorc
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Rocks posted:Did anything good happen on the morning shows today The candidates started re-litigating the second world war for some reason
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I am legit hoping someone over 35 will confirm or refute my natural born citizen statement thing from right before the 2 pages of WWII, because I seriously wonder if everyone in my school district was retarded or there was some history book back then that interpreted it that way because I asked my wife about it, who went to a different area school; and she said pretty much the exact same thing.
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I am a true freeman of the land
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xechostormx posted:I am legit hoping someone over 35 will confirm or refute my natural born citizen statement thing from right before the 2 pages of WWII, because I seriously wonder if everyone in my school district was retarded or there was some history book back then that interpreted it that way because I asked my wife about it, who went to a different area school; and she said pretty much the exact same thing. My high school history teacher taught us that we should all support Alan Keyes
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Louisgod posted:Hail Hydra Hydra is both fists. This is clearly a Black Panther salute in solidarity of the #BLM movement.
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As much as I think the "Natural Born Citizen" rhetoric is dumb, I tend to think the term applies to persons born to within the jurisdiction of the United States to at least one Citizen or Permanent Resident (including a refugee). By jurisdiction, I of course mean legally, not just territorially. Ergo, the Citizen child of refugees is a natural born citizen (Rubio), as is the child of an American citizen born on foreign soil if that parent is working or travelling (McCain, or my dad, who was born in Germany to American Citizens while my Grandpa was working in Germany). Likewise the child of an American Citizen and a Resident Alien born on American soil would qualify. The only grey area I feel is worth inquiry is actually Cruz's situation, where his parents were LIVING in Canada when he was born, not just on a Work Visa, but even then, I'd still err on the side of him being Natural Born, even though he might not qualify.
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Fox Ironic posted:As much as I think the "Natural Born Citizen" rhetoric is dumb, I tend to think the term applies to persons born to within the jurisdiction of the United States to at least one Citizen or Permanent Resident (including a refugee). By jurisdiction, I of course mean legally, not just territorially. I agree this issue needs to be settled, but not until it's sunk Ted Cruz and his inevitable hissyfit reaction to it dooms his future in any elected position.
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Epic High Five posted:I agree this issue needs to be settled, but not until it's sunk Ted Cruz and his inevitable hissyfit reaction to it dooms his future in any elected position. Basically, I think the only Candidate in this Election (or any Election in living memory) who's Eligibility is actually in question is Cruz. In my view, even Rubio has a stronger claim than Cruz. Edit: vvv I meant from a major political party. Fox Ironic fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Some socialist party ran someone who was under 35 last election I believe
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ayn rand hand job posted:Is the Jeb! train ad new Came out like a week ago.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Some socialist party ran someone who was under 35 last election I believe Party of Socialism and Liberation
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Colour me intrigued: Who`s this For Amer Gilmor, and how can I find out more about him?
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xechostormx posted:I am legit hoping someone over 35 will confirm or refute my natural born citizen statement thing from right before the 2 pages of WWII, because I seriously wonder if everyone in my school district was retarded or there was some history book back then that interpreted it that way because I asked my wife about it, who went to a different area school; and she said pretty much the exact same thing. I ( a member of the demographic you requested) was taught that you: 1) had to have an American citizen as a parent and/or 2) were born on American soil/territory 3)were a citizen at the time of the ratification of the constitution.
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Fox Ironic posted:Basically, I think the only Candidate in this Election (or any Election in living memory) who's Eligibility is actually in question is Cruz. In my view, even Rubio has a stronger claim than Cruz. "They're called 'anchor babies' for a reason. They are the dead weight pulling down our fine country and hard working Americans  . Would you want someone who didn't earn a degree to operate on you? Why should we settle for a man who didn't earn his citizenship? Trump 2016."
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Fox Ironic posted:As much as I think the "Natural Born Citizen" rhetoric is dumb, I tend to think the term applies to persons born to within the jurisdiction of the United States to at least one Citizen or Permanent Resident (including a refugee). By jurisdiction, I of course mean legally, not just territorially. The term natural born would imply that it applies to all US citizens who did not have to go through any sort of naturalization process, ie: an American citizen by birth. Territoriality in this case seems irrelevant
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Fox Ironic posted:Basically, I think the only Candidate in this Election (or any Election in living memory) who's Eligibility is actually in question is Cruz. The same argument against Cruz could have been made against George Romney, who was born in Mexico. It very well might have if Romney's campaign ever got off the ground, but it was sunk when he came back from Vietnam and said he'd been "brainwashed" into believing it was going well. This also led to one of the all-time great campaign slams, when Eugene McCarthy said (of Romney), "a light rinse would have done it".
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Joementum posted:The same argument against Cruz could have been made against George Romney, who was born in Mexico. Both of George Romney's parents were American citizens though, correct?
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Fox Ironic posted:As much as I think the "Natural Born Citizen" rhetoric is dumb, I tend to think the term applies to persons born to within the jurisdiction of the United States to at least one Citizen or Permanent Resident (including a refugee). By jurisdiction, I of course mean legally, not just territorially. Just a tangent but the jurisdiction thing is important for children of diplomats stationed in the US, who do not in fact receive jus soli citizenship. (The popular idea of embassy grounds being sovereign territory is a canard, and besides, such children are typically born in hospitals on territory that is American without question.) And this is why I stopped watching The Newsroom at episode one; not that I was prescient that the show would be garbage, but one of the main characters is the daughter of a British diplomat stationed in the US and is said to have received citizenship because she was born in the US. Well, there were probably other things, but that was what stuck in my head.
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Fox Ironic posted:Both of George Romney's parents were American citizens though, correct? Well, sort of. Gaskell Romney was born in the Utah Territory during the period when it was the Nation of Deseret in open rebellion against the US. He moved to Mexico after that conflict had been resolved, but about a decade before Utah achieved statehood. His mother's side of the family, the Pratt's, reached Utah when one of them defected from the US army and told the Mormons about the impending invasion, giving up the army's position.
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Crossposting Rubio: Law-abiding undocumented immigrants could stay The big question: is any position to the left of "deport them all" tenable in this primary?
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