|
enigmahfc posted:Yeah, not sure why I have PTL on there, but for some reason I didn't think of Stay on Target......I have no idea how to handle B-Wings.... Keyan Farlander likes stress and he likes cannons (because what are you gonna do with a guy who likes stress, use torpedoes?). The B-Wing's dial is kind of limited so it's best in his case to think of him less as a ship and more a very angry, slightly mobile gun platform that spins in place and throws fistfuls of red dice at people.
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 06:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 08:45 |
|
|
Kai Tave posted:Keyan Farlander likes stress and he likes cannons (because what are you gonna do with a guy who likes stress, use torpedoes?). The B-Wing's dial is kind of limited so it's best in his case to think of him less as a ship and more a very angry, slightly mobile gun platform that spins in place and throws fistfuls of red dice at people. Well, he could take and FCS or Advanced Sensors with APT and Stay On Target, and end up pretty much able to end up in range 1 of just about anybody he wants to with a TL and a stress he can spend as a focus. I also like the idea of giving Keyan Opportunist and bringing Wes and Jan along with to strip tokens and pump attacks even higher. I'll see your four dice at any range, and raise you five at range 3 and six at range 1.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 06:28
|
|
|
Is Ezra Bridger a good choice for backseat driver in the Farlandermobile when he drops, or is Katarn still Better Than Ezra?
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 06:28
|
|
|
Couple repaints, done in between Imperial Assault minis Kath Scarlet  Lt. Blount  The Virago 
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:12
|
|
|
A Kath Scarlet repaint is like the one thing that makes me want to actually try learning how to paint well, I love that scheme.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:25
|
|
|
Those are nice. I really want a Black One repaint, but the near inevitability of the Aces release with it is staying my hand. It's very much the most popular repaint on the FB modding/painting group.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:26
|
|
|
If a ship gets hit by a Proton Bomb or Adv. Homing Missiles and draws a card that has an additional damaging effect while it still has shields does the extra damage from the card get assigned to the shields or the hull? The damage cards (besides Direct Hit!) all say "suffers" damage which would normally mean it hits the shields first. That doesn't really make any sense logically but is it how you should play it according to the rules?
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:26
|
|
|
ghetto wormhole posted:If a ship gets hit by a Proton Bomb or Adv. Homing Missiles and draws a card that has an additional damaging effect while it still has shields does the extra damage from the card get assigned to the shields or the hull? The damage cards (besides Direct Hit!) all say "suffers" damage which would normally mean it hits the shields first. That doesn't really make any sense logically but is it how you should play it according to the rules? An effect that "deals X damage card(s)" ignores shields and does exactly that. A proton bomb that dealt a "Direct Hit" result would count as two damage against the ship's hull, regardless of remaining shields. Sorry Whisper/Corran.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:30
|
|
|
Otisburg posted:An effect that "deals X damage card(s)" ignores shields. He means that if you flip up a Major Explosion do you deal the point of damage to the shields or to the hull. The card text is "suffer 1 critical damage".
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:31
|
|
|
Otisburg posted:An effect that "deals X damage card(s)" ignores shields. A proton bomb that dealt a "Direct Hit" result would count as two damage against the ships hull, regardless of remaining shields. Sorry Whisper/Corran. Yeah I understand that, but what happens when the actual damage cards themselves do more damage? What happens with that damage.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:31
|
|
|
ghetto wormhole posted:Yeah I understand that, but what happens when the actual damage cards themselves do more damage? What happens with that damage. Reading comprehension is hard, sorry. The way Major Explosion is worded, shields would soak it, I would think. You're dealt the damage card, but the damage would be applied normally from the effect of the card since it doesn't say otherwise. E: And yeah it doesn't make sense from a "fluff" perspective that something pierces the shields and then a secondary explosion from that is somehow mitigated by shields, but trying to do rulings by verisimilitudinousness is a deep and scary rabbit hole. Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Jan 18, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:33
|
|
|
Honestly it's probably just an oversight. If they changed Console Fire and Major Explosion to deals a damage card and left Stunned Pilot as is it'd make the most sense. Not really a big deal though. I'm just sad that it wasn't actually legitimate when I one shot Poe from full hull and shields in that game.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:41
|
|
|
Well I found out that Josh, one of my wang buds, is heading to Alaska for a good chunk of this year doing what I assume to be pipeline work which means that my local pool of opponents has been reduced by 33%. In March there's going to be a tournament down in Vancouver and I'm gonna try to carpool down there with my other two regulars both of whom have expressed an interest in competing at and watching a tournament respectively. Probably gonna bring Wes, Wedge, and Dutch though by that time Wave 8 should be out so it's going to be interesting seeing how that all shakes out.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:54
|
|
|
My goal is to one day do my Firespray and Scum Zs as Kath and her Binayre Pirates.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 08:55
|
|
|
My meta is being loving decimated by Poe + Fun Police. The addition of Red Ace certainly hasn't helped. Any suggestions for builds which are good against them?
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 09:14
|
|
|
Just played a game using proxied guidance chips, tractor beams and TIE/D. Holy poo poo the Defender is a monster. My favorite turn was throwing a BTL stressbot y-wing onto an asteroid before imploding it. The Punisher with guidance chips is a pretty rough customer as well.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 09:55
|
|
|
Otisburg posted:Is Ezra Bridger a good choice for backseat driver in the Farlandermobile when he drops, or is Katarn still Better Than Ezra? I don't think either are ideal because Farlander is going to always spend his stress on every attack, hopefully eliminating the bonus from Ezra. Katarn is a very minor defensive benefit here. I'm not sure you really need a crew on Keyan, but if you really want one, go for C-3P0.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 11:54
|
|
|
Panzeh posted:I don't think either are ideal because Farlander is going to always spend his stress on every attack, hopefully eliminating the bonus from Ezra. Katarn is a very minor defensive benefit here. I'm not sure you really need a crew on Keyan, but if you really want one, go for C-3P0. Surely you can trigger Ezra before triggering Farlander's text, basically giving you a sort of passive Marksmanship? C-3P0 does seem pretty solid though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 11:57
|
|
|
Otisburg posted:Surely you can trigger Ezra before triggering Farlander's text, basically giving you a sort of passive Marksmanship? Yeah, but i'm not sure tacking more points onto Keyan is really a good idea. Watching people roll in with 50 point Keyans just makes me giddy with excitement because he's easy to burn down.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 12:00
|
|
|
"Fat Farlander" does have the alliteration going for it though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 12:01
|
|
|
I've changed my list for the 60 point tournament tomorrow. I think it's a little bit obvious but I also think it is pretty solid. Whoever you don't focus on can go to town while the other one turtles up. "Omega Leader" (21) Juke (2) Comm Relay (3) Soontir Fel (27) Push the Limit (3) Autothrusters (2) Targeting Computer (2) Royal Guard TIE (0) Total: 60 e: I'll probably deploy them on either side of the board and let my opponent chase whomever they want to.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 12:08
|
|
|
KongGeorgeVII posted:e: I'll probably deploy them on either side of the board and let my opponent chase whomever they want to. Much like spinning, I find this is often a good simple trick, and I often find myself putting some tasty morsel on a far side to bait them into tacking hard in one direction. It feels like if you fly right whichever one they go for is the "wrong" one. If all else fails you can break off and turn hard into the other ace right out of your deployment zone, forcing them to give chase. If they did a mini-swarm you can maybe break it up.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 12:28
|
|
|
Geisladisk posted:My meta is being loving decimated by Poe + Fun Police. The addition of Red Ace certainly hasn't helped. Any suggestions for builds which are good against them? Omega Squadron w/ Crack Shot x3 Black Squadron w/ Crack Shot x3 Plus you can sub in Howlrunner w/ Crack Shot or Zeta Ace w/ Crack Shot for one of the Omegas if you like. Block Poe with a TIE, nuke him with Crack. Red Ace is great against a single attack per turn. Multiple ships hitting it will take it down just as fast as a regular X-Wing. Swarm is the natural enemy of the StressHog. Even if you only have a single PS4 TIE vs a PS2 BTL Y-Wing at endgame, I like your odds of winning that fight.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 12:30
|
|
|
Otisburg posted:Much like spinning, I find this is often a good simple trick, and I often find myself putting some tasty morsel on a far side to bait them into tacking hard in one direction. It feels like if you fly right whichever one they go for is the "wrong" one. If all else fails you can break off and turn hard into the other ace right out of your deployment zone, forcing them to give chase. If they did a mini-swarm you can maybe break it up. Yup, I figure the obvious target is Omega Leader which should let Soontir's targeting computer do some good work. At 60 points there aren't likely to be too many ships in the board so Omega can lock onto the biggest threat and then focus evade for defence every turn after that. Both ships are fast and agile enough to cause problems whoever they choose to target.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 12:57
|
|
|
Geisladisk posted:My meta is being loving decimated by Poe + Fun Police. The addition of Red Ace certainly hasn't helped. Any suggestions for builds which are good against them? For Poe: Don't engage at range 3 if possible. His ability and autothrusters will negate a ridiculous amount of damage. I think mathwise it's all but guaranteed to negate 2 damage an attack. If you must engage at range 3, you want as many ships with 3 dice attacking as possible. For Red Ace: just shoot him with more than one ship per turn. For Stresshogs: These are only dangerous on the first pass, and only to aces. It's weak to swarms, ships that DGAF to stress, and arc dodging. If you're running an ace-heavy list, split up and make it commit to one or the other.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 13:45
|
|
|
So, I realize Fat Dash lists are kind of a solved problem at this point, but in looking ahead at Store Champ tournaments coming up in the next couple months and knowing my own playstyle, Fat Dash + Rebel Ace is probably what I'm going to do best with. But I'm not sure what ace to put with him, right now. My current list is regen Poe, but I'm actually thinking I should pick up an E-wing and get Corran Horn. OTOH, Stressbot seems like a prominent local meta, so based on what you guys have been saying I'm starting to lean towards something more tolerant of stress. When is the Ghost going to come out, because I'd switch to that in a heartbeat.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 16:20
|
|
|
Finster Dexter posted:So, I realize Fat Dash lists are kind of a solved problem at this point, but in looking ahead at Store Champ tournaments coming up in the next couple months and knowing my own playstyle, Fat Dash + Rebel Ace is probably what I'm going to do best with. Super Dash shouldn't have much trouble staying out of the stresshog's arc, and Corran can outrun it. Paul Heaver himself stopped over in reddit to talk about counters to his Regen Poe + Stresshog + <stuff> list, and he said Corran/Dash was probably the best counter.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 16:59
|
|
|
ConfusedUs posted:Super Dash shouldn't have much trouble staying out of the stresshog's arc, and Corran can outrun it. Excellent. 
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 17:21
|
|
|
I picked up the TFA starter as a gift for a friend yesterday and we played through it for a few hours. It has rekindled my desire to Xwang. I haven't purchased any tiny spaceships in a while. I have the original starter set with extra TIEs, INTS, an ADV a Skipray, on the rebel side X-wings, Y-wings, A-wings, B-wings, and a YT-1300. What are some must have purchases? Was thinking about grabbing the TFA starter box as a first step. The new T-70 seems pretty badass in comparison to the T-65.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 17:37
|
|
|
If you want to get started on an extra side, I would recommend buying Most Wanted since that allows you to get started on playing Scum. It'll give you Z-95s, an extra y-wings and the use of your Firespray (I wish there was a Skipray  ) for Scum, so you already have a good base for a Scum fleet.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 17:42
|
|
|
Tekopo posted:If you want to get started on an extra side, I would recommend buying Most Wanted since that allows you to get started on playing Scum. It'll give you Z-95s, an extra y-wings and the use of your Firespray (I wish there was a Skipray I got my sprays mixed up. Thanks for the suggestion.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 17:44
|
|
|
Geisladisk posted:My meta is being loving decimated by Poe + Fun Police. The addition of Red Ace certainly hasn't helped. Any suggestions for builds which are good against them? I don't actually think that Poe + Y-Wing + <dude> is overpowering in the specifics; there are probably more counters for it than there are for Heaver's actual world-beating list, I'd say. The strength of Poe + Y-Wing + other ace (in my case Red Ace) is that it is pretty flexible in what it can deal with. I can "safely" bring Poe + Red Ace + Y-Wing to a locked-list tournament without being spectacularly worried about matchups or terrified of the bracket loving me. There are lots of lists that counter other lists, and some of the matchups created in X-Wing can be pretty tilted, so XXY is a good way to try and limit your "if by turn 3 you don't have decisive advantage, may as well scoop" experience. That said, I don't think there's very many hard counters to my list in terms of building, but there are multiple ways of dealing with it tactically. Poe needs actions, specifically Focus actions; make him Boost to stay in/out of arc(s) or stress him out or deal with other threats and win on points (Poe is 36/37/38) or keep someone like Omega Leader alive to feast on him 1v1 or... "Red Ace" withers under the fire of multiple ships, for sure, but the likelihood of you getting two or three range 2 or better in-arc shots without any reprisal is probably kinda low? That said, you should either all-in RA and try to destroy him in 1-2 turns, or do your best to account for his movements while basically ignoring him to destroy the stressbot or Poe. The stressbot is a basically a threat only as long as he can keep you in arc, which he can't for very long under most circumstances. The goal of the T-70s is to either start picking you apart from behind or shepherding you toward the stressbot with your Whisper or your Corran Horn or whatever. The natural solution to this problem is to just absorb the stress that you must, and fuckin' kill the stressbot. He's shooting at PS2 in a ship that can only turn at 2 speed. Everything else is banking or flying straight. If you take more than 2, maybe 3 rounds of shooting from the TLT stressbot, something has gone terribly awry.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 17:45
|
|
|
guts and bolts posted:I don't actually think that Poe + Y-Wing + <dude> is overpowering in the specifics; there are probably more counters for it than there are for Heaver's actual world-beating list, I'd say. The strength of Poe + Y-Wing + other ace (in my case Red Ace) is that it is pretty flexible in what it can deal with. I can "safely" bring Poe + Red Ace + Y-Wing to a locked-list tournament without being spectacularly worried about matchups or terrified of the bracket loving me. There are lots of lists that counter other lists, and some of the matchups created in X-Wing can be pretty tilted, so XXY is a good way to try and limit your "if by turn 3 you don't have decisive advantage, may as well scoop" experience. Yeah that's the thing about the stresshog; it gets one pass and then it's effectively out of the game for a prolonged period of time. Think of it like the Imperial shuttle. Kill it early if necessary, or just get past it if it's not. I've taken to baiting the 'hog with Soontir, who is still plenty fast enough to stay out of range of the 'hog for a round or two, even without actions. Of course, I'm often lucky (or good) enough to avoid the hog entirely and just lead it on a futile chase, effectively neutralizing it while the rest of my list focus fires Poe or whatever.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 17:54
|
|
|
Geisladisk posted:My meta is being loving decimated by Poe + Fun Police. The addition of Red Ace certainly hasn't helped. Any suggestions for builds which are good against them? Imperial Veterans is going to gently caress with this build something awful, but even when wave 8 drops, Redline plus Cluster Missiles plus Chimps will murder the poo poo out of regenners. gently caress your regen, I deal 6 damage this turn. Well, one of my four ships deals six damage this turn, and the others also shoot you.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 18:46
|
|
|
thespaceinvader posted:Imperial Veterans is going to gently caress with this build something awful, but even when wave 8 drops, Redline plus Cluster Missiles plus Chimps will murder the poo poo out of regenners. gently caress your regen, I deal 6 damage this turn. Well, one of my four ships deals six damage this turn, and the others also shoot you. I gotta say that I'm super excited about Chimps. It's gonna shake things up, a lot. We're going to see a LOT more alpha-strike lists overall. If I'm right, we'll probably see a general lowering of average pilot skill across the board, because it hurts less to lose some generic to the initial volley than it does your 40 point ace.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 18:53
|
|
|
So tonight, in my quest to make a valuable graz list, I am gonna run this tonight at my FLGS Graz with EU inertial dampers Talon bane with pred, glitterstim and EU kavil with tlt r4 agro and vi Edit: when wave 8 drops a tractor beam and cloaking device will really help Graz I think
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 19:03
|
|
|
Am I the only one who thinks that Tractor Beam and Chimps are going to be decent-but-not-meta-warping additions to the game?
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 19:15
|
|
|
guts and bolts posted:Am I the only one who thinks that Tractor Beam and Chimps are going to be decent-but-not-meta-warping additions to the game? I think you will only see beams used on just a handful of ships, but the chimps will bring us more dedicated ordnance boats. I don't think it will change the meta greatly, but just add to the diversity of ships fielded
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 19:26
|
|
|
guts and bolts posted:Am I the only one who thinks that Tractor Beam and Chimps are going to be decent-but-not-meta-warping additions to the game? Beams are going to be meta-warping in the sense that they're going to necessitate a shift in tactics to accommodate them when they're on the field, but I don't think they'll be the dominant piece of brokenness my first attempts with them have suggested once people are used to them. But for my part, I'm happy they've arrived early in my time playing, so there will be a major shakeup in tactics going on whilst I'm learning and I'll be on a level with everyone else in accommodating it. Chimps are just going to go some way to making ordnance actually viable competitively, which will just increase variety. Both of them are well-costed and reasonably balanced IMO. So from that perspective, I agree with you entirely.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 19:30
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 08:45 |
|
|
I agree. It will find its niche but I doubt it was shake the meta the way, say, the Phantom did when first introduced.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2016 19:32
|
|