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Kebab is good. I like kebab.
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Jan 18, 2016 16:44
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Paavo Väyrynen, still got it
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Jan 18, 2016 16:52
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This man, this man... 
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The jig is more or less up, and EU will hardly return to what it was 5 or 10 years ago ever again. I hope. I'm thinking, bye bye mutual Schengen agreement. Until our outer borders are secured, though shalt not return. It is fitting that EU and Schengen supporters like Germany and Sweden have helped to speed, if not caused, the inevitable by who knows how many years! Good job. If not for their moronic and selfish "all asylum seekers welcome, you don't have have to prove your identity, and can live here forever, and free housing and health care, PLUR!!1" policy we would never have had the rushing masses of migrants last year, and would continue to bleed slowly instead. So I guess the migrant assault last autumn could end up being a good thing? Especially now that they are behaving, well, exactly like the skeptics told they would and your regular taxpayer and the mainstream is waking up to the fact while being less concerned of accusations of "racism", which was how they were scared and cowed into silence before this far, although it's a bit sad poo poo really, really had to hit the fan for this to happen (something that was also known before the fact). The next wave is waiting for the spring, and after how late 2015 turned up I don't think European countries will just suck it up for another go, albeit they will have to make their decisions without EU. Apparently the melee Oulu was one more of those kurdish/turkish "pizzamafia" strikes where they practice imported business models from the Middle-East, very multiculturally I might say. Jerry thinks suvakki's get points when migrants stab each other or locals. Very hipster of him. Then again he has become increasingly vauhkoontunut, and I fear the late events do not match with his world view where "persut ja natsit" are the worst problem in Europe and he is becoming unhinged? Then again, maybe it was a crazed puukkojunkkari but I highly doubt...
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Well, at least I got some good news for vaihteluksi. http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2016011820976966_ul.shtml The underage refugees that were missing in large numbers in Sweden? They have been apparently kinda found and luckily not as part of some sexslave ring bust. They were apparently mostly childbrides of the war orphans.
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Herman Merman posted:Have you considered posting on reddit, you might be happier there What, I have to be a delusional progressive to post on SA? I thought that only applied to D&D.
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OhYeah posted:I thought that only applied to D&D. 
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Puistokemisti posted:Well, at least I got some good news for vaihteluksi. This is truly great news. edit 1: This isn't: http://www.uusisuomi.fi/kotimaa/165829-nyt-tuli-lista-helsingin-poliisilta-taysin-uutta-tietoa-seksuaalisista-ahdisteluista edit 2: Hahahaha: http://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/ft-eu-aikoo-siirtaa-vastuuta-pakolaisten-vastaanottamisesta-pohjoisille-maille-6246303 Bye bye Schengen, for good, if that happens. Ligur fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Jan 20, 2016 |
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You know things are bad when people are comparing Juha Sipilä to Stephen Elop.
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Sipilä is a communist draped in human skin. Or maybe an Italian-style fascist.
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Sipilä is Finland's Josef Fritzl.
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http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-1453205576400.html Apparently we are democracing the laws. http://www.iltasanomat.fi/autot/art-1453196320140.html And apparently the refugees don't need license to drive around in Sweden, I'm sure that they all know how to drive on noska and black ice. Guess this is one solution to having too many refugees.
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What is "huutaa pää punaisena" in english?
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Puistokemisti posted:http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-1453205576400.html This is such bullshit! The only reason they're asking is because they know the people are on their side. Why don't they apply this kind of "democracy" to other aspects of society as well? Harsher punishments is what we will end up with, and I don't think anyone can find much data which would suggest that it is a good way to reduce crime. Puistokemisti posted:http://www.iltasanomat.fi/autot/art-1453196320140.html This is just a parody.
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Hootering red skull.SnowblindFatal posted:This is such bullshit! The only reason they're asking is because they know the people are on their side. Why don't they apply this kind of "democracy" to other aspects of society as well? Harsher punishments is what we will end up with, and I don't think anyone can find much data which would suggest that it is a good way to reduce crime. More crimes like pahoinpitely or rape getting actual jail time instead of probation is a good thing and if they want to sell it with a bullshit study, fine, go ahead.
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doverhog posted:
Fine I give you that much but I've a bad feeling about this.
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Nothing will happen, don't worry guys.
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Rexroom posted:You know things are bad when people are comparing Juha Sipilä to Stephen Elop. Apart from those Prime ministers who got us in a war, is Sipilä really the worst?
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Fish of hemp posted:Apart from those Prime ministers who got us in a war, is Sipilä really the worst? It's possible he's even dumber than Jäätteenmäki.
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Fish of hemp posted:Apart from those Prime ministers who got us in a war, is Sipilä really the worst? Katainen was worserer, this far. He sat on a gub'mint wherein the whole purpose was to be a rainbow one, get a cushy EU job, and do nothing about anything for quite a bit. Doesn't look so hot, but let us judge Sipilä on four years or so.
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doverhog posted:More crimes like pahoinpitely or rape getting actual jail time instead of probation is a good thing Why?
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So the kansanedustajat can stay in prison instead of loving over the entire country in the parliament.
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My own personal oikeustaju. Probation is not a real punishment and that's a problem.
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doverhog posted:My own personal oikeustaju. Probation is not a real punishment and that's a problem. Is the purpose of criminal justice to give you personal satisfaction or to prevent crime? If the latter, harsher punishents only make matters worse as inmates fall further and further outside the society and gain new wonderful facebook buddies inside the kivi. OTOH maybe we could fill our prisons with poor people and then privatize the prisons like in USA, it has worked so well over there!
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doverhog posted:My own personal oikeustaju. Probation is not a real punishment and that's a problem. Fines, compensations, community service and criminal record are, though.
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Perhaps imprisonment should be eliminated completely since harsher punishments only make things worse. The more you learn...
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IIRC basically every criminological study ever has shown that harsher punsihment doesn't actually act as a significant deterrent to crime. Rather it's the certainty of punishment that does. Therefore only cases where it's sensible to lock someone up is if there's good reason to suspect that they're going to be a danger to themselves and/or others in the future. From this follows that prison sentences (or involuntary commitment if someone's mentally ill) should be reserved for violent crimes in cases where the risk of reoffending is deemed to be significant, and prison time should be designed for rehabilitation rather than locking someone up for X years and expecting them to magically reform themselves.
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Cerebral Bore posted:IIRC basically every criminological study ever has shown that harsher punsihment doesn't actually act as a significant deterrent to crime. Rather it's the certainty of punishment that does. You're talking too much sense. Don't you know people want to cut off balls from rapists and pedophiles? Why do you hate democracy?
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You guys understand that criminally inclined people, krimmet and rosvot so to speak, don't really consider probation and fines a punishment though? Every time a repeat offender, and I've known a few, gets off the hook without actual jail time they consider they got off free. I knew one dude who stopped beating up and severly injuring other people only when it was absolutely clear his next assault charge that sticks will get him at least a year, but he hurt a lot of people before it go to that point. So yes violent offenders -> jail. Non-violent... depends on what they have done. For example there are foreign murtoliiga's who come here and when sometimes caught, very explicitly tell they came here exactly because of our lentient justice system. They get caught, they get probation and can go back home with the loot, having caused dozens or hundreds of people significant mielipahaa ja ongelmaa sekä taloudellista vahinkoa. Any fines or criminal records they have in Finland will not affect their life in the least bit. This is no justice. What should we do to people like that?
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mamut mamuloi: http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2016012120989452_uu.shtml http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2016012120991305_uu.shtml http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2016012120991065_uu.shtml
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Cerebral Bore posted:IIRC basically every criminological study ever has shown that harsher punsihment doesn't actually act as a significant deterrent to crime. Rather it's the certainty of punishment that does. I for one, welcome big brother.
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doverhog posted:Perhaps imprisonment should be eliminated completely since harsher punishments only make things worse. The more you learn... If I'm not greatly mistaken, according to research imprisonment is an efficient deterrent only for premeditated crimes. Violent crimes are extremely rarely premeditated. Of course imprisonment also has other functions like rehabilitation, and in some cases preventing future crime by isolating the worst offenders from the rest of the society. This is very expensive and should be a last resort, not the first one. OTOH the threat of imprisonment and especially the certainty of getting caught are very effective against premeditated middle- and upper class crimes like fraud and other financial poo poo.
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I find law and criminology fascinating topics, and recommend this webcomic to any layman who's interested in this stuff. It's written by an American lawyer and is mostly about the US legal system, but the basic principles are the same overall. The first 5 chapters are about punishment.
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i will study law and criminology by reading a webcomic
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Nauta posted:i will study law and criminology by reading a webcomic there also also some good comics about how to handle miscarriages
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I think referring to a web comic for lessons about criminology tells more about his opinion of people posting itt than about Herman merman himself <- me
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I'm glad our criminal justice system is based upon lowering crime rates and rehabilitation instead of revenge with no regards to how it actually affects the amount of crime. Ask me again if my child is raped and i'm a paraplegic because of a drunk driver though.
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CNBC misquotes Stubb in proclaiming he wants a 15% cut to wages. Instead they should've written about palkkamaltti, yhteiskuntasopimus and other related bu
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Nauta posted:i will study law and criminology by reading a webcomic whoah, you're as lazy and shiftless as me 
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