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Man, that LP. So good, but I'm also so glad that it serves as a warning against further Paradox mega-LPs just going hardcore fascist at the first chance. What was the issue with the Crete LP again? I didn't follow it while it was live, but I've seen in several other LPs since that people seem to have a really bad opinion of it... not because of Wiz's doing, but because of the audience's participation.
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Drone posted:Man, that LP. So good, but I'm also so glad that it serves as a warning against further Paradox mega-LPs just going hardcore fascist at the first chance. From what I gather, the Crete LP largely consisted of the Senate bickering that came up in this thread, but worse. And it got pretty bad here.
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Drone posted:Man, that LP. So good, but I'm also so glad that it serves as a warning against further Paradox mega-LPs just going hardcore fascist at the first chance. Some people got really really into it. Perhaps some of us got into it a little bit too much. I have fond memories of Crete LP. I was spending lots of time on trains at the time and reading the bickering on my laptop through the train WiFi made the journey feel much faster.
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Aprops of nothing, the comments about Total War Attila are now making me wonder what an attempt to take this into Total War: Warhammer would look like. All I can think is "would have to involve mods" and "why is my brain thinking this, this has almost nothing to do with anything" plus "Surely Communist Byzantium with wizards will do perfectly!". Also, odd self reflection like "did this weird thought pop into my head because it's just a thing that happens to people, or is it somehow related to my autism?" Is this... are these sorts of thoughts and the inability to keep them contained why people shitpost? Did I just shitpost? Ugh whatever, this LP was fun, and I look forward to however it's continuation manifests. If all else fails, pull a Grey Hunter and take it into space. My apologies for becoming somewhat detached from sanity there. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Drone posted:Man, that LP. So good, but I'm also so glad that it serves as a warning against further Paradox mega-LPs just going hardcore fascist at the first chance. That isn't what happened at all, goons kept voting for liberal reforms while retaining an absolute monarchy so we got RL Prussia but worse and the eventual Wilhelm II was competent TheMcD posted:From what I gather, the Crete LP largely consisted of the Senate bickering that came up in this thread, but worse. And it got pretty bad here. HA HA HA HA HA  
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Personally, I can't wait for Crete LP 2: Stellaris
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Crete was an incredible achievement in LPing and definitely worth a readthrough (if you have time to read thousands of posts of goon senators bickering).
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Crete was a wonderful, beautiful abomination that must never be allowed to happen again. (See the EU4 portion of Flamboyant Schemers for why.)
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ZiegeDame posted:Crete was a wonderful, beautiful abomination that must never be allowed to happen again. (See the EU4 portion of Flamboyant Schemers for why.) And to a much lesser extent, the portions of this LP with a really active Senate were kind of a pain-- lots of bickering and hurt feelings, but also it was just plain hard to try to balance actually achieving a bunch of disparate, arbitrary goals with also just the stuff I needed to do to avoid Byzantium getting clowned on constantly by the AI. Flamboyant Schemers was completely bonkers, though. Oh, um, actual content for the thread: I'm probably finally going to do an actual SotW for Victoria's endgame at some point, since having that as a reference would probably actually make the next mod easier. So, there's an update coming! In the next month or so. 
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Really, the only bad thing with Goon Senates is that the AI doesn't have their own ones hindering them too.
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Luhood posted:Really, the only bad thing with Goon Senates is that the AI doesn't have their own ones hindering them too. Next post-mortem patch for V2 - AI countries now have an all-encompassing desire to give universal health care at all costs, no matter what the political and military and economic situation is.
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The EU4 portion of Flamboyant Schemers was loving beautiful and I will fight anyone who disagrees.
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quote:EU4 portion of Flamboyant Schemers
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Rodyle posted:Oh my god I didn't realize this happened. It did happen, the sad part it that it just kinda of died because Thanqol stopped updating, perhaps one day we will see the return of Flamboyant Schemers EU4 edition, without it imploding in upon itself.
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Blackunknown posted:It did happen, the sad part it that it just kinda of died because Thanqol stopped updating, perhaps one day we will see the return of Flamboyant Schemers EU4 edition, without it imploding in upon itself. The LP may have died, but the Capitulation vote will live on forever.
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TheMcD posted:The EU4 portion of Flamboyant Schemers was loving beautiful and I will fight anyone who disagrees. I too have a great fondness for the marvellous chaos of it. There was a brief time where I was trying to fill out a niche as a cushy-law enforcement administrator in a newly instated tyranny. Fun times.
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I never got the chance to reveal that I secretly inserted the literacy and religious requirements clauses into the constitution in Flamboyant Schemes to instigate a revolution. It was one of my few schemes that actually paid off.  That and not inviting Burma Pope into Denmark are my only two regrets.
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RabidWeasel posted:That isn't what happened at all, goons kept voting for liberal reforms while retaining an absolute monarchy so we got RL Prussia but worse and the eventual Wilhelm II was competent Goons voted for liberal reforms while retaining a semi-constitutional monarchy in which the Reichstag was made up of the landed gentry and were the primary political body in the state, with the King taking direction from them. What we ended up with was an Absolute Monarchy backed by the fascist and reactionary elements of the German far right, with the reichstag disbanded and the liberal members of the chamber purged, because the reichstag's members couldn't see what a terrible goddamn idea it would be for the landed aristocracy who had previously retained their power in the face of campaigns for greater democracy through the whipping up of nationalist and reactionary sentiment, to suddenly capitulate to a bunch of socialist protestors. If only someone had warned them ahead of time that a reactionary coup was the likely outcome of that decision. If only some brave Cassandra had tried to express what a terrible decision the Reichstag was making. If only someone realised that that act would be the Reichstag's death sentence. ...Do I still sound bitter?
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QuoProQuid posted:That and not inviting Burma Pope into Denmark are my only two regrets. Putting clauses in a constitution to incite revolt, Military dictatorships are the best, right? Burma Pope.
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Sperglord Firecock posted:Putting clauses in a constitution to incite revolt, Constitutional clauses To incite revolt Military dictatorships Are Best Burma Pope.
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Reveilled posted:Goons voted for liberal reforms while retaining a semi-constitutional monarchy in which the Reichstag was made up of the landed gentry and were the primary political body in the state, with the King taking direction from them. What we ended up with was an Absolute Monarchy backed by the fascist and reactionary elements of the German far right, with the reichstag disbanded and the liberal members of the chamber purged, because the reichstag's members couldn't see what a terrible goddamn idea it would be for the landed aristocracy who had previously retained their power in the face of campaigns for greater democracy through the whipping up of nationalist and reactionary sentiment, to suddenly capitulate to a bunch of socialist protestors. From what I remember of the ending of Hohenzollern you really don't sound bitter enough.
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Dawncloack posted:Constitutional clauses Rule the modern way / No votes / No rights / No liberals / A fascist HRE / Burma-Pope
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Empress Theonora posted:Rule the modern way / No votes / No rights / No liberals / A fascist HRE / Burma-Pope hahahahaha!  5'ed
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"Roman Communism/ Will never work"/ If you think like this/ You're quite the jerk!/ Burma-Pope
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Soup du Jour posted:"Roman Communism/ Will never work"/ If you think like this/ You're quite the jerk!/ Burma-Pope It seems that Burma-Pope will never get old. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Just took all the screenshots for the State of the World post (although it won't be up for a while, since I need to draw a bunch more leader portraits and also write at least a sentence or two about every drat country in the game) and it was a real nostalgia trip. All my old friends I'd forgotten about, like Transoxiana and Habsburg and Silla! There's also a bunch of important stuff that happened right at the end of the game without me noticing it or writing about it in the last V2 update. The Pangalists had apparently snuck in and won an election in Germany and now there's a massive revolt to bring the Kazike back or whatever and a bunch of extra minor countries flipped fascist (including Iran!-- fascists lurking in our very own sphere!!!) and a few other countries just drifted politically in ways I hadn't written up-- Ghana went liberal again after years of socialism, although they're still close friends with the British and so presumably on our side in HoI 4. I guess it could be worse-- there's no ongoing wars, by some miracle-- but I need to decide what to just studiously ignore because it contradicts the previous narrative and what's hella cool (North German anarcho-capitalist vs. liberal vs. Mullerist three-way civil war in 1936?). Fascists in the Byzantine sphere are especially galling, since if the game hadn't ended I would have crushed them. More importantly--  Flagchat! Obviously, with only two years between HoI 4 and V2, most countries will still just have the same flags they already had, but there's a few whose flags are either V2 defaults that don't really fit, or flags made way back when I made the V2 mod that don't really fit with way things actually played out.So I could use new flags for the Gallic Empire's fascist client-states-- the Netherlands, Austria, Bavaria, and the one province rump state of Burgundy/Switzerland. These all use their Victoria 2 default fascist flags, and none of them particularly represent ByzLP fascism in general or their status within the "Western Roman Empire" fascist alliance in general. Poland and Lai Ang are still monarchies with fascist parties in power, so they ended the game with their regular flags, but they could probably also use new fascist flags along these lines-- especially Lai Ang, since the European parts of it are probably going to wind up in the WRE too. Poland is weirder, since they're fascist and hate the NGF, but they still have a de Valois-Vexin monarch and Valeria came to power by deposing King Louis de Valois-Vexin in France and things are a huge mess over there. Ireland also needs a new flag, since the current one just looks like an exploding Hammer and Sickle and it's really dumb-looking. If nobody can think of a better idea, I'll just slap a 工 on the Irish tricolor or something? Finally, the NGF might need a new flag? For some reason when the Mullerists fell and the NGF became a democracy again, they used their monarchy flag (last seen when they were still the Holy Roman Empire) instead of their democracy flag (the tricolor used when Goethe was in charge). Since their V2 democracy flag now basically belongs to the anarcho-capitalists, who used it when they ruled Germany and who as seen above are still around and still causing problems, the liberal German republicans probably need a new tricolor to call their own. (I wonder if Britain should have a new flag? Probably not, since their whole deal was just quietly moving into syndicalism without having a revolution or even bothering to get rid of the Habsburgs, and the things represented on the flag-- Scotland, England, and the Pope-- are all still pretty important to them.)
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How about, for the fascist states, a Capitoline Wolf in gold above the Roman name of the appropriate province, in the style of a legionary standard?
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Empress, could we still ask to get the current flags as of End-of-Vic? To get just the flags in their raw form would give us something to work with regarding what could and couldn't be done for the states.
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Luhood posted:Empress, could we still ask to get the current flags as of End-of-Vic? To get just the flags in their raw form would give us something to work with regarding what could and couldn't be done for the states.  I also want to see what you decided to use for Syndicalists flags as well (if you made any changes)
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Gave it a shot. Communist Ireland:  Obvious play on the Byz flag; the Byz owl symbolizes a revival of ancient culture and religion, so the Irish went for green, gold, and a triskele. Sort of a stylized Newgrange I guess. Fascist Poland:  I figure they'd shy away from Roman imagery due to disliking the WRE and all. So they're more "last bastion of the Valois-Vexin  ."e: I really want to come up with a Lai Ang flag because they have the most hilarious history. Small kingdom on the Iberian peninsula, conquered by the Chinese of all people, they secede from China, become a monarchy, colonize the New World, and then a huge series of wars with countries on both sides of the Atlantic lead to them first losing all European territories, then colonizing their way back into Europe. And now they're a fascist monarchy. megane fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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megane posted:Gave it a shot. You always make the best flags, megane!  Luhood posted:Empress, could we still ask to get the current flags as of End-of-Vic? To get just the flags in their raw form would give us something to work with regarding what could and couldn't be done for the states. Sure! Mostly they're just stock V2 flags, though.  Fascist Bavaria- a lion encased in a diamond prison???  Fascist Netherlands: yikes what is this EDIT: wait i guess in byzLP it's called "Holland"  Fascist  Fascist "Burgundy" (I used the SWI tag for Burgundy and I guess I forgot to make them a fascist flag when I was doing the mod?) Here's the ones that actually have custom flags that just happen to not fit where they landed in the narrative.  This is Lai Ang's monarchy flag-- the traditional lion of León, rendered in a Chinese style. Because at V2 endgame, Lai Ang was still a conmon, just one with fascists elected to power, it ended the game with this flag.  This is their fascist flag, which was more inspired the other fascist flags in the ByzLP Sinosphere for a hypothetical Fascism With Chinese Characteristics, which ended up not really happening since fascism turned out to be a very distinctly European ideology. China, for instance, had this scary red dragon somebody made? God, I'm glad we never saw that or we'd all be dead, probably. At least with Pangalist China they'd want to leave somebody alive to sell stuff to.  This is the NGF monarchy flag ("The Habsburg Monarchy"-- remember that?), which for some mysterious V2 reason was used as the flag of the democratic NGF after Müller fell.  And this is their republic flag, which has become the anarcho-capitalist flag since that's where we first saw it in the actual game. Hitlers Gay Secret posted:
The syndicalist government type just uses the usual TAG_communist flags, like how democracies, republican dictatorships, and bourgeois dictatorships all use the republic flag, and conmons, prussian constitutionalism, and absolute monarchies all share a monarchy flag. BYZ's flag changing after its brief time as a proletarian dictatorship was just a manual change. I think a few other countries got new communist flags made by readers after the First International, too? But in both cases that was just a replacement of the shared communist flag. Empress Theonora fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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megane posted:Austria maybe? That eagle is exactly as scary as a ByzLP fascist eagle ought to look. Is there any chance you could make the bars horizontal, though? Even though there's just two colors I worry it might look a bit like a republican tricolor when zoomed out in those tiny HoI 4 unit icons. If not, NBD, though, since it's not like we'll be seeing much of the mighty Austrian army. (Note to self: Other thoughts on Austria- Ao Di Li exiles in the Foreign Legion? A pretender Sultana in Edinburgh as part of Victoria V's collection of exiled monarchs? Austrian fascism model for the more Europe-oriented fascists of Lai Ang as they try to ditch the old monarchy and the trappings of the Sino-Iberian aristocracy? Should fascist Lai Ang even be "Lai Ang" or should it be "Hiberia" or "Hispania"?)
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Sure. It's a little hard to read against dark red maybe, so here's a bright red version as well. 
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Fascist Lai Ang as Hispania I can get behind.
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Did Lai Ang ever move its capital back to Europe from Zheng He Bay?
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AJ_Impy posted:Fascist Lai Ang as Hispania I can get behind. I'm imagining Lai Ang fascists being to Rome what weeaboos are to Samurai. Walking around with a replica Gladius, a pendant with a roman dodecahedron on it, and instead of saying words like "moe" and "kawaii" it's ones like "boni" and "fora". "Hu sighed as he drew his Gladius Hispaniensis."
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Reveilled posted:I'm imagining Lai Ang fascists being to Rome what weeaboos are to Samurai. Walking around with a replica Gladius, a pendant with a roman dodecahedron on it, and instead of saying words like "moe" and "kawaii" it's ones like "boni" and "fora".    Brilliant. Garum fish paste and roasted dormouse make a comeback to feed the voracious appetite for Romanalia amongst the Lai Ang fascist hardcore.
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