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Mulva posted:e;fb yeah but that's the exact opposite of your post which said that Obama wanted it to be declared a natural disaster before sending relief. They sent federal emergency money, they just didn't send natural disaster money because this isn't a natural disaster.
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Seph posted:Let's not equate voyeurism with rape. while voyeurism may not literally be rape it is certainly sexual assault
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It seems to me like you should treat a transwoman leering at other women in the locker room the same way you would treat a ciswoman leering at other women in the locker room. Surely high school / gym administrators have some way of dealing with that already.
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VikingofRock posted:It seems to me like you should treat a transwoman leering at other women in the locker room the same way you would treat a ciswoman leering at other women in the locker room. Surely high school / gym administrators have some way of dealing with that already. Not our girls! They're all good straight Christians!
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quote:The Hillary Clinton campaign released a new attack on Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Tuesday, using a letter from 10 national security experts and former diplomats to question his foreign policy knowledge. I actually like Bernie a little more after reading this.
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SquadronROE posted:I don't care what anyone says, only Candidate Martin O'Malley has the abs to be our next Commander in Chief. Taking bets now, manscaping or just naturally smooth
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DaveWoo posted:I actually like Bernie a little more after reading this. Diplomacy? IN POLITICS? WHY I NEVER!
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DaveWoo posted:I actually like Bernie a little more after reading this. *invites Benjamin Netanyahu during her first month in office to the White House* 
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:yeah but that's the exact opposite of your post which said that Obama wanted it to be declared a natural disaster before sending relief. They sent federal emergency money, they just didn't send natural disaster money because this isn't a natural disaster. I read that post as Snyder wanting it to be declared a natural disaster, but I can see how it's not 100% clearly written.
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Seph posted:Let's not equate voyeurism with rape. Oh my God can you be more pedantic? Not only have conservatives continually asserted that rapes will occur as a result of being "PC" about gender identity, the point still stands even if you say "sexual predator" or "voyeurist". No one is "equating" voyeurism and rape, although they aren't as dissimilar as some believe.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:yeah but that's the exact opposite of your post which said that Obama wanted it to be declared a natural disaster before sending relief. They sent federal emergency money, they just didn't send natural disaster money because this isn't a natural disaster. Sorry, what I meant was that the President denied it because it wasn't a natural disaster.
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ratbert90 posted:Governor Snyder talks with National Journal about Flint Water Crisis, says it is his Katrina Well he is doing a heckuva job. 
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Odds on Roberts doing here what he did twice with Obamacare? If someone jumps ship to support Obama I want it to be Roberts more than Kennedy or anyone else. I want him to get so hated by the right wing in the US that he just snaps and veers hard left out of spite. This court case is going to raise a good question of just WTF the POTUS can do with immigration if they can't be the final say of how it's handled. If we're lucky it'll be a 6-3 (or better) win for Obama but with some "you can't simply opt to do nothing entirely" dressing down of some kind to Obama and Congress. ratbert90 posted:Governor Snyder talks with National Journal about Flint Water Crisis, says it is his Katrina He's sitting there and watching (mostly black) people suffer because he's a worthless shithead just like Bush did with Katrina.
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DaveWoo posted:I actually like Bernie a little more after reading this. Yeah this doesn't look good at all. Everyone knew Clinton would hire idiots to run her campaign but I'm still managing to get disappointed.
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ratbert90 posted:Diplomacy? IN POLITICS? WHY I NEVER! I saw a dude post a hate-filled rant on Facebook w/r/t the stupid broken boat in Iranian seas thing, whining about how we gave up a sovereign vessel to Iran. I wonder what makes people so bloodthirsty and unable to be happy about diplomacy saving lives on both sides.
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this_is_hard posted:*invites Benjamin Netanyahu during her first month in office to the White House* Why would she do that?
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Unzip and Attack posted:Oh my God can you be more pedantic? Not only have conservatives continually asserted that rapes will occur as a result of being "PC" about gender identity, the point still stands even if you say "sexual predator" or "voyeurist". No one is "equating" voyeurism and rape, although they aren't as dissimilar as some believe. If you're making a straw man argument against conservatives that's fine, but we were talking about voyeurism and you called that rape. So I'm sorry for taking your post literally. As a broader point, I think calling everything rape is counterproductive to the goal of reducing sexual crime and spreading awareness. For many people, when someone calls something that's clearly not rape "rape", their eyes glaze over and they stop listening. It's the same gut reaction people have against over-reaching safe spaces and SJW's.
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William Bear posted:Why would she do that? Because she promised she would?
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This is the strangest election ever. Trump is the leading republican candidate so far. Hillary is going to lose to a democratic socialist. I mean, they're both not stupid but I think it's the effect of surrounding oneself with stupid and shortsighted money.
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Seph posted:Agreed 100%. I don't think it's productive to call every consent violation rape, though. In fact it's probably counterproductive because it devalues the word. Physical assault is on the same spectrum as murder, but we don't call everyone who has started a fight a murderer. I agree, but I don't think the poster you were originally responding to actually was equating voyeurism with rape. Goons attack every analogy for not being a 1:1 match with the thing being analogized (spellcheck says that's a word, neat). It is pedantry, and pedantry is one of the many tools people use to obstruct conversations they don't want to happen. It's pretty clear you do support people talking about sexual assault constructively, so don't be like that. Also man is this a terrible argument: Seph posted:For many people, when someone calls something that's clearly not rape "rape", their eyes glaze over and they stop listening. It's the same gut reaction people have against over-reaching safe spaces and SJW's. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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Seph posted:If you're making a straw man argument against conservatives that's fine Sorry to interrupt but this needs to be a USPol thread title at some point.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:This is the strangest election ever. Hillary's probably not going to lose, but it's hilarious that Bernie is getting this far.
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Paradoxish posted:Hillary's probably not going to lose, but it's hilarious that Obama is getting this far.
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The alternative at the time was a brilliant orator in an attractive young black man's body. The alternative this time is Bernie Sanders. Don't underestimate how shallow the average American is.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:This is the strangest election ever. Social democrat. Democratic socialism is a different thing that Bernie has never endorsed.
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I'm pretty sure everyone assumed Sanders would stay in until the at least the first election. It isn't surprising that he's gotten this far at all.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Social democrat. Democratic socialism is a different thing that Bernie has never endorsed. Can you explain the difference?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Social democrat. Democratic socialism is a different thing that Bernie has never endorsed. wut https://berniesanders.com/democratic-socialism-in-the-united-states/ that's the tip of the iceberg
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^ efb!  Stultus Maximus posted:Social democrat. Democratic socialism is a different thing that Bernie has never endorsed. lol it is amazing the mythos and lore build up around the Chicken Man: Sanders, himself posted:So let me define for you, simply and straightforwardly, what democratic socialism means to me. It builds on what Franklin Delano Roosevelt said when he fought for guaranteed economic rights for all Americans. And it builds on what Martin Luther King, Jr. said in 1968 when he stated that; “This country has socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor.” It builds on the success of many other countries around the world that have done a far better job than we have in protecting the needs of their working families, the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor. Sounds like an endorsement of democratic socialism to me! But maybe this is just his campaign being crazy again!
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Can you explain the difference? Social democracy is quote:the idea that the state needs to provide security and equality for its people and should actively reorder society in a way that is conducive to such developments, but that such changes should be brought about gradually, legitimated by a democratically-elected majority. It is native to Europe, where social democrats regularly feature as one of the major parties and have led (or at least participated in) governments in most states at some point in time, most notably in Scandinavia (up to being nicknamed the "Nordic model"). Social democrats typically regard government intervention as a force for good, constraining markets and engaging in redistributive efforts for the benefit of the lower classes in order to establish a more equitable society. whereas quote:Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, involving a combination of political democracy with social ownership of the means of production. Although sometimes used synonymously with "socialism", the adjective "democratic" is often added to distinguish itself from the Marxist–Leninist brand of socialism, which is widely viewed as being non-democratic In short, social democracy is fundamentally capitalist. Democrat socialism is socialist. e: Trabisnikof posted:^ He may use the term a lot but he doesn't actually mean democratic socialism. He's supported private industry and capitalism and I can't recall his ever calling for collective ownership of the means of production. Just because he likes to call himself as socialist doesn't mean he's ever endorsed actual socialism. Stultus Maximus fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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It's really surprising that the extremely popular man with political experience and a message that resonates with a lot of people has gotten this far at all.
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It's so cool that Republicans are willing to burn their own house down around them to stop Cruz.
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Teflon Don posted:It's really surprising that the extremely popular man with political experience and a message that resonates with a lot of people has gotten this far at all. I don't know, it's a real risk trying to appeal to young liberal voters by calling yourself a socialist.
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/beware-a-gop-calendar-front-loaded-with-states-friendly-to-trump-and-cruz/ I know everyone hates 538 now, but this makes some good points. Many early states (for Republicans) give out delegates proportionally, and many later states don't. Could hurt Trump.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It's so cool that Republicans are willing to burn their own house down around them to stop Cruz. Cruz is pretty much despised by every republican with power so it's not that surprising. His base is entirely the tea party crazies which is why he caters to them even when it hosed up republican plans.
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Stultus Maximus posted:He may use the term a lot but he doesn't actually mean democratic socialism. He's supported private industry and capitalism and I can't recall his ever calling for collective ownership of the means of production. Just because he likes to call himself as socialist doesn't mean he's ever endorsed actual socialism. Got it, so Sanders is no true democratic socialist, just a self-identified one.
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Trabisnikof posted:Got it, so Sanders is no true democratic socialist, just a self-identified one. Yes. It seems to get the kiddies excited so he goes with it.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yes. It seems to get the kiddies excited so he goes with it. Ah so Sanders is only using the "democratic socialist" label because he finds it politically useful, got it.
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