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wormil posted:I'm liking this so far but I wish they'd pick up the pace.
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Don't say that mate.
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Mendicant posted:nigga u got places to be?? Ahah, goddamn. For some reason this made me lol in the office.
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Jan 18, 2016 11:08
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I really like Amos but he's sort of coming across as a Marv caricature in the books. Also everyone in the books is now middle-aged, I'm glad that the show went with a younger cast, or at least fitter (I cannot imagine a balding, fat Miller with a pork pie hat).
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Jan 18, 2016 11:31
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Professor Shark posted:I really like Amos but he's sort of coming across as a Marv caricature in the books. When I saw Jonathan Banks was cast I was really hoping he'd be Miller.
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Jan 18, 2016 13:51
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I haven't read any fiction in ages, but I'm now on the second Expanse audiobook and I think I've shed tears like three or four times now? I don't remember books doing that to me. There are moments in the books that aren't even about a character dying or generic poo poo that just gets to you. I distinctly remember the point in book 1 when Holden kinda accepts Miller as part of his "crew" and Miller starts shedding tears. That was incredible timing/prosaic delivery because it got me too at the exact same moment. Also, Amos is an incredible character that has some incredible moments. He does come off as a generic caricature in the show so far though.
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Jan 18, 2016 14:24
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Dessel posted:I haven't read any fiction in ages, but I'm now on the second Expanse audiobook and I think I've shed tears like three or four times now? I don't remember books doing that to me. There are moments in the books that aren't even about a character dying or generic poo poo that just gets to you. I distinctly remember the point in book 1 when Holden kinda accepts Miller as part of his "crew" and Miller starts shedding tears. That was incredible timing/prosaic delivery because it got me too at the exact same moment. They are getting bits and pieces in at least. The scene at the bar did a nice bit on explaining how hosed up Amos childhood was, how good he is at reading a room for danger, that he's not vicious or mean spirited.....but at any point in time he will gladly gently caress up a bunch of people at the drop of a hat.
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Jan 18, 2016 14:41
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Kesper North posted:Okay, a little hyperbole. You're right in that it doesn't boil, per se - but gas bubbles do form in the bloodstream, leading rapidly to unconsciousness within fifteen seconds, as the bubbles cut off blood flow to the brain as they form. (Source: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/survival-in-space-unprotected-possible/) The hours of decompression are necessary because current spacecraft are designed around having normal air at sea-level pressure. You can get around that if the spacecraft's air is the same pressure and composition as the spacesuit, e.g. Apollo spacecraft. There are trade-offs going either way. Given the narrative of impoverished people struggling to eke out a marginal living, I'd be inclined to suspect that a lot of Belters would do like Apollo and just have O2-rich low-pressure environments, since not bothering to include nitrogen is less mass to deal with and saves you time on not having to decompress before EVA. It also means that fires could be more serious (although not Apollo 1 serious since you wouldn't be pressurizing to sea-level), but that seems like it'd play right into the narrative of Belter life being cheap and disposable 
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Jan 18, 2016 16:37
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The hours of decompression are necessary because current spacecraft are designed around having normal air at sea-level pressure. You can get around that if the spacecraft's air is the same pressure and composition as the spacesuit, e.g. Apollo spacecraft. There are trade-offs going either way. Given the narrative of impoverished people struggling to eke out a marginal living, I'd be inclined to suspect that a lot of Belters would do like Apollo and just have O2-rich low-pressure environments, since not bothering to include nitrogen is less mass to deal with and saves you time on not having to decompress before EVA. It also means that fires could be more serious (although not Apollo 1 serious since you wouldn't be pressurizing to sea-level), but that seems like it'd play right into the narrative of Belter life being cheap and disposable
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Jan 18, 2016 17:54
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Starving your workers of oxygen seems like it should/would ruin productivity. Performance goes down pretty rapidly with anoxia.
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Jan 18, 2016 19:35
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The hours of decompression are necessary because current spacecraft are designed around having normal air at sea-level pressure. You can get around that if the spacecraft's air is the same pressure and composition as the spacesuit, e.g. Apollo spacecraft. There are trade-offs going either way. Given the narrative of impoverished people struggling to eke out a marginal living, I'd be inclined to suspect that a lot of Belters would do like Apollo and just have O2-rich low-pressure environments, since not bothering to include nitrogen is less mass to deal with and saves you time on not having to decompress before EVA. It also means that fires could be more serious (although not Apollo 1 serious since you wouldn't be pressurizing to sea-level), but that seems like it'd play right into the narrative of Belter life being cheap and disposable Hence him removing the exposed wire promptly.
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Jan 18, 2016 19:43
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Kesper North posted:Starving your workers of oxygen seems like it should/would ruin productivity. Performance goes down pretty rapidly with anoxia. The levels seem to only effect the children whom are not essential to the bottom line apparently .
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Jan 18, 2016 19:44
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I mean it isn't that much different than folks these days who live/work in areas with poor air quality. In the Belt, though, you pay for the privilege of breathing since the air doesn't just exist.
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Jan 18, 2016 20:01
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Kesper North posted:Starving your workers of oxygen seems like it should/would ruin productivity. Performance goes down pretty rapidly with anoxia. Shipping around mass is expensive, the belt stations aren't built with the best possible recycling as far as we can see, it's still probably some short sighted bullshit. But I mean when has an imperial power cared about the people over there that get the poo poo end of the stick? I think kids should need proportionally less oxygen than adults? I'm probably way wrong on that though.
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Jan 18, 2016 20:04
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Don't kid yourself: if employers today had a way to bill workers for air consumed at work then they would absolutely do so.
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Jan 18, 2016 20:04
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Waverider posted:Not disagreeing with your science but in book 5 and the Anderson Station flashback on the show they mention the belters being oxygen poor to save money. I don't think you need pure oxygen for low-pressure applications - a quick google search suggests Skylab was something like 75% oxygen and 25% nitrogen at ~4.8psi. So conceivably you could monkey with the mixture to try and find the minimum amount of oxygen needed. Of course, you run into the other problem that the nitrogen itself has to come from somewhere. I don't know what the lower bound is for atmospheric pressure even with pure oxygen. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to definitively say that The Expanse is wrong - there might be something else I'm missing or unaware of - just that there is a way to have a setting where characters can go straight from the spacecraft cabin to a spacesuited EVA without an intermediary decompression session. Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Jan 18, 2016 20:25
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I think the point was that the companies are driving for profit at the expense of the workers and their families, regardless of the physics or biology involved.
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Jan 18, 2016 22:00
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BexGu posted:They are getting bits and pieces in at least. The scene at the bar did a nice bit on explaining how hosed up Amos childhood was, how good he is at reading a room for danger, that he's not vicious or mean spirited.....but at any point in time he will gladly gently caress up a bunch of people at the drop of a hat. Wes Chatham also delivers his lines with this occasional sense of 'lost puppy'. Like the bit where he offers to smoke Holden, thanks Noemi for 'all those times you helped me' or in the bar with Alex. It really helps capture the fact that he's not big and mean, he's just kind of stunted emotionally.
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Jan 18, 2016 23:11
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Milky Moor posted:Wes Chatham also delivers his lines with this occasional sense of 'lost puppy'. Like the bit where he offers to smoke Holden, thanks Noemi for 'all those times you helped me' or in the bar with Alex. It really helps capture the fact that he's not big and mean, he's just kind of stunted emotionally. From the books I read Amos as being completely without morals or any moral judgement, he recognises this and attaches himself to someone to use as a surrogate moral compass. Growing up it was a variety of criminals and an unusual relationship with his mothers friend,on the Canterbury it was Naomi and going forward it is Holden. He just sees violence as another tool and is just as willing and able to use it as someone else might draw breath.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I don't think you need pure oxygen for low-pressure applications - a quick google search suggests Skylab was something like 75% oxygen and 25% nitrogen at ~4.8psi. So conceivably you could monkey with the mixture to try and find the minimum amount of oxygen needed. Of course, you run into the other problem that the nitrogen itself has to come from somewhere. I don't know what the lower bound is for atmospheric pressure even with pure oxygen. To sustain life, the minimum partial pressure of O2 you need is about 2.32 psi. Earth's atmosphere gives you a bit over 3 psi O2. Those figures for skylab give you a ppO2 of 3.6. If you're going to do strenuous physical activity, that'll go up a bit. quote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to definitively say that The Expanse is wrong - there might be something else I'm missing or unaware of - just that there is a way to have a setting where characters can go straight from the spacecraft cabin to a spacesuited EVA without an intermediary decompression session. It's a setting where they have genetic treatments to let people who are born and live in space for their entire lives have a skeleton that won't collapse under the strain of just moving around, and injected drugs that let people remain conscious and survive at pretty extreme G-loadings. So I'm on board with that. Or they're just breathing pure O2 at a low pressure, which would remove the problem of dissolved nitrogen in the bloodstream.
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HERAK posted:From the books I read Amos as being completely without morals or any moral judgement, he recognises this and attaches himself to someone to use as a surrogate moral compass. Growing up it was a variety of criminals and an unusual relationship with his mothers friend,on the Canterbury it was Naomi and going forward it is Holden. He just sees violence as another tool and is just as willing and able to use it as someone else might draw breath. As someone who hasn't read the books, this was my impression as well. The actor they got to play Amos has very expressive crazy-eyes.
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Jan 19, 2016 01:34
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Tucked-In T-Shirt posted:As someone who hasn't read the books, this was my impression as well. The actor they got to play Amos has very expressive crazy-eyes. I keep thinking of him as little Jack Black in space.
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Jan 19, 2016 07:19
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Tucked-In T-Shirt posted:As someone who hasn't read the books, this was my impression as well. The actor they got to play Amos has very expressive crazy-eyes. Chatham was in one of the Hunger Game films along with dream waifu Natalie Dormer
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Jan 19, 2016 07:20
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HERAK posted:From the books I read Amos as being completely without morals or any moral judgement, he recognises this and attaches himself to someone to use as a surrogate moral compass. Growing up it was a variety of criminals and an unusual relationship with his mothers friend,on the Canterbury it was Naomi and going forward it is Holden. He just sees violence as another tool and is just as willing and able to use it as someone else might draw breath. I thought he out and out said as much when he told Holden that he while he had no reason to throw Holden off the boat, he also had no reason why he shouldn't aside from Naomi disliking it. And then he asks for the drill.
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Jan 19, 2016 08:20
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Kesper North posted:Starving your workers of oxygen seems like it should/would ruin productivity. Performance goes down pretty rapidly with anoxia. Yeah but for that one quarter/cycle you cut down on your costs, get your huge bonus and then gently caress off to another company.
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Jan 19, 2016 08:25
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Kesper North posted:Starving your workers of oxygen seems like it should/would ruin productivity. Performance goes down pretty rapidly with anoxia. It probably only applies to the living quarters, not the work areas. More incentive to go to work!
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Jan 19, 2016 10:39
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Zartosht posted:It probably only applies to the living quarters, not the work areas. More incentive to go to work! Oh man. It starts with free onsite laundry and dental care, but just you wait until they get you into space
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Jan 19, 2016 19:50
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Today's episode will feature Adam Jensen and I have it on good authority that his vision is augmented.
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Jan 19, 2016 21:00
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Daztek posted:Today's episode will feature Adam Jensen and I have it on good authority that his vision is augmented. Did he ask for this?
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Jan 19, 2016 21:02
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Daztek posted:Today's episode will feature Adam Jensen and I have it on good authority that his vision is augmented. For real?
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etalian posted:For real? Yep! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQXBs4Do6mo 0:05 and 0:12
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Jan 19, 2016 21:14
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Daztek posted:Yep! I hope they replace the whole episode soundtrack with stuff from Deus Ex.
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They've posted promotional shots for the ninth episode (but not next week's, for some reason...). Huge spoilers thereabouts: http://images.spoilertv.com/The%20Expanse/Season%201/Promotional%20Episode%20Photos/Episode%201.09%20-%20Critical%20Mass/ (Show and book spoilers combined) I'm surprised they're going to be showing Julie's POV. Will that be a good addition, or will it take away from the big reveal? It's going to be interesting, either way.
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Tucked-In T-Shirt posted:As someone who hasn't read the books, this was my impression as well. The actor they got to play Amos has very expressive crazy-eyes. He reminds a lot of Vincent d'Onofrio in Full Metal Jacket.
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Jan 20, 2016 01:56
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Huh. A stowaway. How bout that?
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Jan 20, 2016 04:31
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Lol how did they manage to make Holden more whiny and self-righteous than in the books. get your animal back on the leash 
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Jan 20, 2016 05:05
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I just have to reiterate, watching this show with the Philips Hue sync is really really loving cool. It wouldn't work for all shows, but the different settings make it perfect.
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The crew tension felt like a bit of a step back from the end of the last episode, but I think I'm on board with it simply because it's new and unexpected, and (books) not something they've included in the books as of yet. Amos being reined in by either Naomi or Holden has always been a given in the books, and never really questioned in this way. As long as the tension isn't stretched on too long, I'm open-minded.
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I really liked this episode. All the characters felt like they were shining and it felt like we got a glimpse of Avasarala we know from the books when she was talking with Holden's mother.
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